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  Hrolf The Ganger  11 Oct 16 3.21pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
As I've said before my eldest goes to grammar but I'm against them. m?Is it fair that above average intelligence kids from poorer socio-economic backgrounds miss out on grammar schools because their parents can't afford to tutor the Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 3.10pm) This is just another socialist generalisation. My kids were not tutored. They just practiced exam papers for the 11 plus.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This is just another socialist generalisation. My kids were not tutored. They just practiced exam papers for the 11 plus. Is an average of only 3% of kids in grammars on free school meals a socialist generalisation or does it show that people from the poorer parts of society have less opportunity.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
It is difficult to imagine a system that was perfect. There is an issue with selective schools trying to present favourable exam statistics by moving the goal posts for sixth form entry and therefore only excepting top performers. Elitism does tend to spit you out if you fall below it's current standards but equally one cannot reasonably rely on the state system to educate your children when standards are so poor in many state schools.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is difficult to imagine a system that was perfect. There is an issue with selective schools trying to present favourable exam statistics by moving the goal posts for sixth form entry and therefore only excepting top performers. Elitism does tend to spit you out if you fall below it's current standards but equally one cannot reasonably rely on the state system to educate your children when standards are so poor in many state schools. And why are standards so poor in many state schools?
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Oct 16 3.39pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
And why are standards so poor in many state schools? Tory Cunds of course.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 3.39pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Is an average of only 3% of kids in grammars on free school meals a socialist generalisation or does it show that people from the poorer parts of society have less opportunity. Money has had nothing to do with my kids education and I dare say may others. It's about attitude. Only a desire to better ones self or want ones children to do better than you will have the right effect.
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| chris123 hove actually 11 Oct 16 3.39pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
As I've said before my eldest goes to grammar but I'm against them. Is it fair that above average intelligence kids from poorer socio-economic backgrounds miss out on grammar schools because their parents can't afford to tutor them? Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 3.10pm) If they are of above average intelligence, they won't need tutoring.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
And why are standards so poor in many state schools? Because successive governments have failed to invest sufficiently in education for decades. It might also have something to do with stupid left wing ideas about how children should be taught. How ever high standards were there would still be a bottom and a top and lots of people moaning.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 4.10pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
If they are of above average intelligence, they won't need tutoring. Many of the kids at my sons school were tutored to pass the 11+ and are now floundering in bottom sets. They're in no way above average intelligence. How many places were denied to above average intelligence kids from poorer backgrounds who weren't able to be coached through the tests. As I said the number of free school meals kids at grammars is a good indication of how skewed the system is. Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 4.14pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 4.12pm |
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Good piece today from McDonnell.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Tory Cunds of course. After over ten years you've finally got something right. Well done. Go and print yerself a celebratory mug.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Oct 16 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
At primary school I was considered to be above average intelligence and was top of my class, or near to it, in most subjects. I subsequently went to a state secondary school, wasn't tutored and spent most my time mucking about with below average intelligence kids. I now spend all day on this forum. On that basis, I am starting to take Nick's side now Hahahha me too. Education is something that I only really took an interest in after secondary school and in primary school. Comprehensive school was more about trying to avoid being beaten, bullied, molested or otherwise someone's victim (or correspondingly exorcising the experience of violence by being some less fortunate kids tormentor).
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| Part Time James 11 Oct 16 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Hahahha me too. Education is something that I only really took an interest in after secondary school and in primary school. Comprehensive school was more about trying to avoid being beaten, bullied, molested or otherwise someone's victim (or correspondingly exorcising the experience of violence by being some less fortunate kids tormentor). Exactly how my life has gone. Loved education at every point except Secondary School and College. Never went to uni as I was at least aware I'd run up a debt whilst not really trying very hard to learn. Would now love to study for a degree or even a diploma but have other things I need to spend my cash on. I earn more than the average wage though, mostly for talking about boobs on a Crystal Palace forum.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Oct 16 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Many of the kids at my sons school were tutored to pass the 11+ and are now floundering in bottom sets. They're in no way above average intelligence. How many places were denied to above average intelligence kids from poorer backgrounds who weren't able to be coached through the tests. As I said the number of free school meals kids at grammars is a good indication of how skewed the system is. Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 4.14pm) In theory the idea of grammar schools is a good one. The problem is how it tends to get implemented as a alternative to fixing the failing secondary schools - and becoming a form of subsidised private school for the upper working and lower middle classes.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 4.34pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Many of the kids at my sons school were tutored to pass the 11+ and are now floundering in bottom sets. They're in no way above average intelligence. How many places were denied to above average intelligence kids from poorer backgrounds who weren't able to be coached through the tests. As I said the number of free school meals kids at grammars is a good indication of how skewed the system is. Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 4.14pm)
It could equally show a relationship between poverty and fecklessness.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 4.36pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
In theory the idea of grammar schools is a good one. The problem is how it tends to get implemented as a alternative to fixing the failing secondary schools - and becoming a form of subsidised private school for the upper working and lower middle classes. I've no problem with schools for more academically able kids, but it's the socio-economic imbalance I can't abide.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 Oct 16 4.36pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It could equally show a relationship between poverty and fecklessness.
In Hrolf world it probably does.
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| chris123 hove actually 11 Oct 16 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Many of the kids at my sons school were tutored to pass the 11+ and are now floundering in bottom sets. They're in no way above average intelligence. How many places were denied to above average intelligence kids from poorer backgrounds who weren't able to be coached through the tests. As I said the number of free school meals kids at grammars is a good indication of how skewed the system is. Edited by nickgusset (11 Oct 2016 4.14pm) I'm not talking about tutoring, I'm talking about kids of above average intelligence going to grammar school.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Oct 16 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
In Hrolf world it probably does. But clearly not in yours because there, it is always someone else's fault.
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