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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 16 Feb 21 11.10am

Good item by Martin Samuel in his Daily Mail column today headed: 'Let the Roy story end in harmony.

I've got no idea how to reproduce it here, but basically he's saying that we won't be relegated so no need to bring in a new manager until the end of the season. A lot of us on here agree with that view I know.

It's worth a read if you get an opportunity and he ends it with: 'To sack him would be crass and unnecessary', which says he it all I think.

 


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AERO Flag 16 Feb 21 11.21am

Sounds the sensible plan ,but how confident is everyone that we won't get relegated with Roy in charge this season ? Can think the only reason Parrish will stick with Roy is because if has a chosen candidate ? And he is not available yet .

 

jeeagles Flag 16 Feb 21 11.21am

Originally posted by Putitout
Yes, certainly plays a big part in our performances reaching the kind of low witnessed Saturday . And another very good reason to reject the idea that all we need to do , is replace a manager , and all of these problems attendant to our struggles, will disappear .

It's the same issue for every side. We have a manager that won't make subs and won't drop players.

The number of hamstring injuries we are getting is a serious concern, I doubt it's down to age alone. It suggests a bigger problem with strength and conditioning training.

And Roy's been in charge for 4 years. He's been in the best position to have foreseen and resolved the ageing squad issues.

We need to do more than replace just the manager, but we need someone in charge who will identify, force through, and implement the changes that the club require. Roy's little more than a yes man who's grumbled a couple of times about issues, but the impression I get is that he hasn't been particularly pro-active in resolving them.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 11.24am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Willo is Hodgson’s biggest fan and has previously set out succinctly the tactics employed successfully by Hodgson in the past I.e shape above everything and closing gaps for the opposition to exploit.
This involves sitting deep and is not physically demanding on our older players.
Either Hodgson’s abandoned this and we look at all sea or the players are not following instructions, in which case he should drop them.
In either scenario the buck stops with the manager.

I have recognised his achievements at our club on a relative 'Shoestring'.The 'Net spend' during his time has been a mere £10 mill.

The squad is now 'Dad's Army' and the fact that we have 15 outfield players either 30 or in their 30s I suspect is down to finances.
The 'Hodgson Way" has kept us in the PL season on season with a limited spend so his objective has been met.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 16 Feb 21 11.28am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Awww bless them, poor things, having to run about twice a week. Let's spare a thought for the rugby players who have to haul their battered bodies onto the pitch for another match a week later, or the tennis players who play a 5 setter in 30 degree conditions, only to play again 3 days later. Or even cricketers who have to stand out in the field all day long under a hot baking sun...

Yes, when you get knocked out of both cups with barely a whimper and no European football to worry about you can hardly use a congested fixture list as an excuse for performances.

Let’s also not forget we have only played 24 matches so not even two thirds through the season. To blame fatigue is a lame excuse.

As the season progresses the players look more and more confused as to what to do on the pitch and there is only one person responsible for that.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 16 Feb 21 11.34am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Yes, when you get knocked out of both cups with barely a whimper and no European football to worry about you can hardly use a congested fixture list as an excuse for performances.

Let’s also not forget we have only played 24 matches so not even two thirds through the season. To blame fatigue is a lame excuse.

As the season progresses the players look more and more confused as to what to do on the pitch and there is only one person responsible for that.

I said it was a factor, not the only issue.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 16 Feb 21 11.36am

Originally posted by jeeagles

It's the same issue for every side. We have a manager that won't make subs and won't drop players.

The number of hamstring injuries we are getting is a serious concern, I doubt it's down to age alone. It suggests a bigger problem with strength and conditioning training.

And Roy's been in charge for 4 years. He's been in the best position to have foreseen and resolved the ageing squad issues.

We need to do more than replace just the manager, but we need someone in charge who will identify, force through, and implement the changes that the club require. Roy's little more than a yes man who's grumbled a couple of times about issues, but the impression I get is that he hasn't been particularly pro-active in resolving them.

Unless you're privy to the behind the scenes running of the club, I can see absolutely no justification for coming to that conclusion.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 11.41am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Yes, when you get knocked out of both cups with barely a whimper and no European football to worry about you can hardly use a congested fixture list as an excuse for performances.

Let’s also not forget we have only played 24 matches so not even two thirds through the season. To blame fatigue is a lame excuse.

As the season progresses the players look more and more confused as to what to do on the pitch and there is only one person responsible for that.

With respect, only 2 weeks ago following the Newcastle victory which was our second win in a row the issue of "Confusion" wasn't raised at all.

In recent games we have seen botched clearances,failure to clear the ball in the air probably about 4 yards from goal, players falling over embarrassingly trying to defend,players failing to close down attackers leading to goals etc etc .
Mr Hodgson must be tearing his hair out - he looked particularly aggrieved against Burnley, turning to Dean Kiely who had a face like a beaten favourite.

Edited by Willo (16 Feb 2021 11.46am)

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 16 Feb 21 11.44am

Originally posted by jeeagles

It's the same issue for every side. We have a manager that won't make subs and won't drop players.

The number of hamstring injuries we are getting is a serious concern, I doubt it's down to age alone. It suggests a bigger problem with strength and conditioning training.

And Roy's been in charge for 4 years. He's been in the best position to have foreseen and resolved the ageing squad issues.

We need to do more than replace just the manager, but we need someone in charge who will identify, force through, and implement the changes that the club require. Roy's little more than a yes man who's grumbled a couple of times about issues, but the impression I get is that he hasn't been particularly pro-active in resolving them.

Quick question ! How do you '' force through '' the changes ?

You say Roy is a ' Yes Man ' but look at it another way. He has accepted the parameters in which he has to work. He may be handsomely compensated financially for doing that, but from Parish's perspective it's more cost effective to pay Hodgson £4.5m pa ( unconfirmed to my knowledge ) than have to splash many times that in the transfer market with no guarantee that will be any more successful than retaining Roy.

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 16 Feb 21 11.46am

Originally posted by NEILLO

Quick question ! How do you '' force through '' the changes ?

You say Roy is a ' Yes Man ' but look at it another way. He has accepted the parameters in which he has to work. He may be handsomely compensated financially for doing that, but from Parish's perspective it's more cost effective to pay Hodgson £4.5m pa ( unconfirmed to my knowledge ) than have to splash many times that in the transfer market with no guarantee that will be any more successful than retaining Roy.

Why are so many people unwilling/unable to realise this?

 


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southnorwoodhill Flag 16 Feb 21 11.48am

Originally posted by Willo

With respect, only 2 weeks ago following the Newcastle victory which was our second win in a row the issue of "Confusion" wasn't raised at all.

In recent games we have seen botched clearances,failure to clear the ball in the air probably about 4 yards from goal, players falling over embarrassingly trying to defend,players failing to close down attackers leading to goals etc etc . Hodgson must be tearing his hair out.

Doubt it. 2-0 down after 10 minutes and he said it was game over. His substitutions or any tactical change always come far too late, yet despite things not working for obvious reasons (square pegs round holes) he'll set up for the next game just the same nonetheless.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 16 Feb 21 12.08pm

So Hodgson has worn the players out, say some He doesn’t rotate them often enough. He doesn’t use subs as a part of tactic enough.
Every manager plays his best team as often as is possible, Hodgson, is no different. Why would a manager, play players, if they don’t contribute , above and beyond the recognised first string? In particular when every point is treasured.
. And let’s face it , what goes on behind closed doors we don’t know, but, just before the Burnley game, and not for the first time Hodgson, In a very public way asked these players to step up prove you are good enough for this level, worth being considered as our best.
You all saw the answer , they couldn’t. And they only proved they make to many major mistakes individually to be taken seriously as a team.
The same applies to substitutions, in almost every case his subs are not an improvement wherever he plays them .So why would he as informed as he is think he can change the course of a game with their use.
Take Townsend as an example, his form has been totally unreliable under pressure, he comes on as fresh legs, rarely improves a situation, I’m not picking on him as they all are in the same boat.
Over the last two or three years, even with some additions ,to the squad , almost every time he has put out a team with it being two or three short of his best choice. Be it in league or cup. It has lost or had a good try at losing. That’s not a case of anything other than an example of a manager , that has only a select group he can call up to the job, of even surviving in this very demanding league.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 12.14pm

Originally posted by Putitout

So Hodgson has worn the players out, say some He doesn’t rotate them often enough. He doesn’t use subs as a part of tactic enough.
Every manager plays his best team as often as is possible, Hodgson, is no different. Why would a manager, play players, if they don’t contribute , above and beyond the recognised first string? In particular when every point is treasured.
. And let’s face it , what goes on behind closed doors we don’t know, but, just before the Burnley game, and not for the first time Hodgson, In a very public way asked these players to step up prove you are good enough for this level, worth being considered as our best.
You all saw the answer , they couldn’t. And they only proved they make to many major mistakes individually to be taken seriously as a team.
The same applies to substitutions, in almost every case his subs are not an improvement wherever he plays them .So why would he as informed as he is think he can change the course of a game with their use.
Take Townsend as an example, his form has been totally unreliable under pressure, he comes on as fresh legs, rarely improves a situation, I’m not picking on him as they all are in the same boat.
Over the last two or three years, even with some additions ,to the squad , almost every time he has put out a team with it being two or three short of his best choice. Be it in league or cup. It has lost or had a good try at losing. That’s not a case of anything other than an example of a manager , that has only a select group he can call up to the job, of even surviving in this very demanding league.

My word,what a good post.
I garland your comments with praise and concurrence.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 16 Feb 21 12.21pm

Originally posted by Willo

I don't think Mr Hodgson instructed Dann to make a complete mess of a routine clearance for Burnley's open goal, nor tell his players to offer no challenge whatsoever at a corner headed in from within the 6-yard box,nor tell PVA to fall on the floor leading up to Burnley's third goal.

No manager is above criticism but Mr Hodgson has to work with an aged squad, many well past their best and whose desire might have diminished due to their contract situations.

..and also with fatigue through so many games with much reduced time to recover, I feel you're completely correct Willo, also the long wait now with nine days to put things right is too long and could frustrate them even more, games are all over the place.

Edited by Tickled pink (16 Feb 2021 12.21pm)

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 16 Feb 21 12.22pm

Originally posted by Willo

With respect, only 2 weeks ago following the Newcastle victory which was our second win in a row the issue of "Confusion" wasn't raised at all.

In recent games we have seen botched clearances,failure to clear the ball in the air probably about 4 yards from goal, players falling over embarrassingly trying to defend,players failing to close down attackers leading to goals etc etc .
Mr Hodgson must be tearing his hair out - he looked particularly aggrieved against Burnley, turning to Dean Kiely who had a face like a beaten favourite.

Edited by Willo (16 Feb 2021 11.46am)

Once again, will you please stop saying with respect when you don’t mean it. Your point does not even address my point it just misdirects back to two victories that were largely fortunate as you well know. We did not play well in those victories and the confusion you say didn’t exist was more than visible during those games as well as the recent losses.

Defenders looking at each other and wondering why neither has closed down the ball. Players constantly playing out of position, other players standing shaking their heads in disbelief (mostly Wilf to be fair). The players have completely lost confidence in the tactics and this is becoming more and more apparent.

I am absolutely amazed that you see only poor players. But I realise you will never blame the manager for anything whether it be poor tactics, poor motivation, the lack of a plan and the ability to change that plan during the course of a game.

Confused is exactly what I see out on the pitch. We have lost our way as a team and as I said, there is only one person who carries the can for that.

Please spare me the Dads Army response and 15 players in their 30’s, etc, etc.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Feb 21 12.28pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Once again, will you please stop saying with respect when you don’t mean it. Your point does not even address my point it just misdirects back to two victories that were largely fortunate as you well know. We did not play well in those victories and the confusion you say didn’t exist was more than visible during those games as well as the recent losses.

Defenders looking at each other and wondering why neither has closed down the ball. Players constantly playing out of position, other players standing shaking their heads in disbelief (mostly Wilf to be fair). The players have completely lost confidence in the tactics and this is becoming more and more apparent.

I am absolutely amazed that you see only poor players. But I realise you will never blame the manager for anything whether it be poor tactics, poor motivation, the lack of a plan and the ability to change that plan during the course of a game.

Confused is exactly what I see out on the pitch. We have lost our way as a team and as I said, there is only one person who carries the can for that.

Please spare me the Dads Army response and 15 players in their 30’s, etc, etc.

I treat all posters and their comments with respect even though I might NOT necessarily be in agreement with them.

Clearly we are on 'Opposite sides of the house' on the substantive matter but I respect your right to express your opinion.

 

AERO Flag 16 Feb 21 12.35pm

Yes good post .Its not entirely Roy's fault I agree .The fact is we are suffering from lack of involvement over the last 10 years or so Most clubs in premiership even championship have already got decent grounds and academy set up,so a more money can be spent on the playing side .We are definitely punching above our weight in the premiership and by keeping Wilf and the odd bit of luck have managed to survive. But its come to a head now and its not even a question of tinkering here and there .Any new manager will have to rebuild from nearly scratch.Most players in premiership are comfortable on the ball and athletic we currently are not.Big job ahead and a lot of pressure for new manager before he even starts.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 16 Feb 21 12.57pm

Originally posted by AERO

Yes good post .Its not entirely Roy's fault I agree .The fact is we are suffering from lack of involvement over the last 10 years or so Most clubs in premiership even championship have already got decent grounds and academy set up,so a more money can be spent on the playing side .We are definitely punching above our weight in the premiership and by keeping Wilf and the odd bit of luck have managed to survive. But its come to a head now and its not even a question of tinkering here and there .Any new manager will have to rebuild from nearly scratch.Most players in premiership are comfortable on the ball and athletic we currently are not.Big job ahead and a lot of pressure for new manager before he even starts.

I think that’s about it. We are in a tricky situation, and we will drop more points yet. In what will be considered an unsatisfactory way. If we didn’t have 29 pts. and some reliable players to come in. It could be considered terminal.
But it’s been a while in the making. Hodgsons problem is to have taken the last contract he could have avoided trying to squeeze some genuine performances out of a limited group.
A new manager will have to be allowed to rebuild. I suspect it will be more a case of making use of a rebuild , constructed by Parish, and Dougie. And there could be no real change in the standards set. But we live in hope.

 

dazza Flag Wallington 16 Feb 21 1.11pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Once again, will you please stop saying with respect when you don’t mean it. Your point does not even address my point it just misdirects back to two victories that were largely fortunate as you well know. We did not play well in those victories and the confusion you say didn’t exist was more than visible during those games as well as the recent losses.

Defenders looking at each other and wondering why neither has closed down the ball. Players constantly playing out of position, other players standing shaking their heads in disbelief (mostly Wilf to be fair). The players have completely lost confidence in the tactics and this is becoming more and more apparent.

I am absolutely amazed that you see only poor players. But I realise you will never blame the manager for anything whether it be poor tactics, poor motivation, the lack of a plan and the ability to change that plan during the course of a game.

Confused is exactly what I see out on the pitch. We have lost our way as a team and as I said, there is only one person who carries the can for that.

Please spare me the Dads Army response and 15 players in their 30’s, etc, etc.

I completely agree with you fed up with people constantly making excuses & blaming it on the players ages amongst other things.

Roy has to take the blame never changes a formation when one clearly is not working, never plays a system that suits the players at his disposal constantly plays players out of position.

Plays negative tactics,

Plays 2 strikers but refuses to put crosses into the box or provide any sort of service.

Look at Burnley first 10 minutes put 3 crosses into the box & scored 2 goals.

Sorry but the buck has to stop with Roy 4 wins in 20 just not good enough.

 

southnorwoodhill Flag 16 Feb 21 1.21pm

Originally posted by dazza

I completely agree with you fed up with people constantly making excuses & blaming it on the players ages amongst other things.

Roy has to take the blame never changes a formation when one clearly is not working, never plays a system that suits the players at his disposal constantly plays players out of position.

Plays negative tactics,

Plays 2 strikers but refuses to put crosses into the box or provide any sort of service.

Look at Burnley first 10 minutes put 3 crosses into the box & scored 2 goals.

Sorry but the buck has to stop with Roy 4 wins in 20 just not good enough.

The buck always stops with the manager, he is the one responsible. Fair enough. What would FdB say I wonder watching this shower of s***? Brought in to change the playing style yet sacked after 4 games whilst not having the players to make the change in style? The buck always stops with the manager.

 

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