Exactly.

I think you’ll find Klopp has a Premier League and Champions League title behind him as well as a brilliant spell at Dortmund.
Perhaps not the best example to compare to Hodgson who failed miserably with Liverpool.
Clearly there can be no meeting of the minds between the pro and anti Hodgson brigades.
The pro brigade will continue to find every excuse for him under the sun.
I actually don’t think the squad is that bad, and would love to see what a Brendan Rodgers type coach would do with them.
He would surely as a minimum put players in their correct positions and try to utilise the strengths of the existing players rather than shoehorn them in outdated tactical systems that are continually found wanting.

I said Brendan Rodgers type coach.
Interestingly enough he made his name at Swansea and we are reportedly looking at their current manager, Steve Cooper.
They also had Martinez there.
It would appear there are other ways to play football than using the methods employed by Hodgson after all and it doesn’t necessarily mean kamikaze attacking football doomed to failure.
Open minds called for.

Nigel Pearson would murder a couple of our players for sure. However, he could probably avoid prison as he could plead temporary insanity. Pearson's Solicitor could show the jury our performances and Pearson could even get acquitted.

Red and Blue Army!

Fair question. Many of the best managers across all sports have influenced their superiors to ensure their sides are always at the cutting edge. You've got to convince the board of what changes are required to get the best results. Fergie, Wenger and Klopp probably aren't fair comparisons, but Southgate completely changed the England set up, Allardyce brought in the latest practices at Bolton. Similarly you could look at British Cycling or Woodward/Baxter.

Someone in a position of leadership should have the skills to influence people to get what they need. I don't think Parish is adverse to putting his hand in his pocket or developing the club. All our previous managed were backed to a reasonable extent in the transfer market.

I do agree that just chucking money at the transfer market isn't the way forward, we need someone to get the best out of what we have and Roy hasn't done that for a long time. It's a frustration that some fans just want us to kick out all the players we have and expect Hodgson, at 73, to be given a budget to buy an entirely new squad.

There were plenty of posts on the Mateta thread saying what a great player he is and we can get rid of Benteke immediately....before they'd even seen the guy play.

Anyway, let's try 4-4-2 against Brighton again and see what happens....

I think that's part of the problem. Backed by expensive signings on lucrative contracts has resulted in the meagre spend over the last couple of years.

Just my theory, but I think Parish only spends when he has no other alternative. And I think this summer is just such an occasion.

As for the squad rebuild, I think it would be a folly to entrust that to ANY manager that is only de facto a short term appointment.

Old, Ungifted and White

So are Martinez and Rodgers poor coaches because Swansea and Wigan are now in lower divisions?
Is the argument that if we dare to move from Hodgson’s tactics we’re doomed to relegation?

Rodgers took over from the stodgy team under Puel and has transformed them and getting the best out of the squad.
This against a backdrop of losing Chilwell, McGuire and of course Kante and Mahrez had left before.

Realistically as a team outside the big 6 we’re likely to be relegated at some point , and although I’m not seeking that, I’m not convinced Hodgson’s tactics are the only way to prevent that.

I’m afraid the reverence afforded to Hodgson is lost on me.
Pardew’s name is mentioned on here and it’s treated like a swear word and yet he took us to only our second cup final in our history and as South Norwood Hill points out has a better win percentage than Hodgson.
There was a recognition though that it was the right time for Pardew to go with the results, and yet people are clinging to Hodgson for dear life even after a year of under performance.

I don't think we've been 'under' performing - we've been low performing on account of the inadequacies of the players - we're merely finding our level now. In the early part of last season Roy did amazingly well to guarantee safety so early with same players he's got now minus Eze. Many of those same players are looking burnt out now - we've delayed recruitment in key areas and that's not Roy's fault. Maybe v Burnley Roy should have put Kouyate in midfield when he had other centre backs available and played Eze in a front three, he did not get the team to click the way he wanted to, and that's happened several times this season. This is where we are underperforming, but these are patched up sides so they are getting patched up plans, I don't think our recent decline is principally down to Roy, it's the depletion of the squad coming home to roost.

I don't recall Pardew losing 7-0 as manager ( although he lost 9-0 as a player) or 7 games on the trot as manager.
Willo, you yourself have said you can hardly see where a point is coming from for the rest of the season, in particular with the absence of Zaha.
Hardly a ringing endorsement of Hodgson.
The drift under Hodgson has long been evident, as it was with Pardew.

I said they are fine coaches. It doesn’t need me to say that.
It was the clubs that couldn’t keep up, even though they tried hard, and all they have to show is it’s no good imitating the Man, C,s of this world, if you haven’t got the resources.
I admire slick efficient football as much as anyone, but The basics are what you stick to if your talent pool is basic. This applies to all coaches , you could turn this around and say , the majority of clubs get relegated because they had no other way of playing, other than an entertaining way that was spoilt by basic mistakes, and a failure to sit in when it was essential, regardless of entertaining.
Hodgson, has up to now, and may well complete his tenure, keeping Palace in the top division. Tactics, often less than pretty, That should be to his credit. As it stands if this club can turn its self into a top half unit it will do it from the bottom half of the top division, and not the next league down.
We both want good things for the club, even though Hodgson, seems to get in the way of us agreeing on everthing.