Wasn't having a go, just seeking clarification. I still contest that the invasion paved the way for the rise of fundamentalist groups making it easier for them to recruit.
I think that to think that Iraq would just fall into western style democracy is rather facile.

Which anyone with half a brain saw coming.

So let's invade Saudi where half the population are repressed.

Like a Mafia Godfather who directs others to do his dirty work for him so as not to get his own hands dirty so we have Saudi Arabia funding and, thus, encouraging groups who do partake in atrocities against civilian populations. Isis, for example.

Big chest and massive boobs

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"we" (presume you mean US & UK governments) prefer the oppressors - they usually have more money and the power to broker deals for goods we like (such as oil).

Red and Blue Army!

Hmmmm, yes I get that to a degree, but what about the Muslims that march and protest about the country they live in, calling our troops murderer’s and vilifying Lee Rigbys killers, even proclaiming his killers as heroes’.

They haven’t crossed the line in the eyes of the law and haven’t sponsored any terrorist activities, but they clearly support the actions of those who do, yet the authorities do nothing.

The England first nutters and all those who fight back with words designed to annoy the Muslims they counter march against are often arrested for inciting racial hatred, why is the same not happening to the gangs of Muslims roaming streets in London taking alcohol off people and pressurising them to live as they live.

There is no doubt in my mind that sooner or later there will be a back lash, people who actually live in areas where this sort of stuff is a daily occurrence are getting pissed of with it, dangerously so, IMO it won't be long before things turn ugly and lives are lost in the UK all in the name of some retarded backward thinking fcuking religion.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

I don't condone it. I don't like it, and I really get why you hate it. But, part of the fact of a democracy and free speech, is having to put up with idiots. The real problem is the media's total rush to poor the oxygen of publicity on to those fires. Lee Rigby has become an icon utilised by the far right, islamists and the media for agendas that has nothing to do with the man himself.

What should the state do? Make protesting something illegal if you do it in a way that someone else takes offence at. The problem with the threat of 'Islam' is that its become a great publicity machine for the news media. 50,000 people protest austerity cuts outside the BBC, the news pays virtually no attention. 40 people are involved in burning poppies and its all over the media for weeks, with people blaming not the few, the Muslims in general.

It should be, but my suspicion is that the scale is much smaller. The police should be policing those areas. In 2013 there were 5 arrests, and three prison convictions handed down. The other two were given ASBO orders preventing them from association etc. These relate direct to the Sharia Patrols. The coverage of their arrests and convictions didn't seem to carry the same level of press as their actions and videos.

I think that happened. Its called the English Defence League and the British First Patrols (a Christian fundamentalist offshoot of the BNP/EDL).

The problem again, small group of f**tards become a cause celeb for the media, who then don't make much of a fuss about the police shutting them down.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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or even an age old tactic

It is fairly laughable that you are using the 1987 riots as an example. It is incredibly contentious to say it was a massacre and it was largely as the result of Iranian pilgrims protests, so not falling into the bracket at all of putting down a civil uprising. That doesn't make it right.

I am not defending Saudi Arabia, I am rebutting Gussets arguments which are cyclical and without much substance. He just keeps repeating whatever the SWP banners say at whatever march he has been on recently.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Erm, you do. You support TUSC and members of TUSC's consist of 'representatives of the SWP'. You are part of the same family.

I don't recall this question but will answer as follows: extremist movements in the Middle East. They are are adapt at moving from places such as the Lebanon/Israel border, Helmand, the tribal pakistani regions and Yemen fairly easily. Normally they are chased out and find safe haven in other places and continue their political aims.

What we are seeing in Iraq is the mobilisation of extremists who have had experience of combat in many territories and have found a cause in which they can fight where the resistance to them is weak.

Unfortunately, extremist groups have been on a war footing since the mid-nineties but have truely been outcasts from the West and other governments since 9/11. They are agile, skilled, well funded and have an ability to make uneasy peace with locals by subsidising food, water and fuel in the areas they working in and as a result of his, can bunker down in areas which makes the difficult to move.

Would they have been operating successfully in Iraq if Saddam was still in change? My gut reactions not as successful but would still be able to campaign against the Iraqi army effectively. By now, the Iraqi army would have been equipped with far less modern weapons, would be manned by many people who are sympathic to ISIS aims and would face experienced fighters pouring in from neighbouring territories fresh from battle.

Do I think the invasion has exacerbated problems in Iraq regarding extremists? I think it has made them easier to operate but you cannot blame the invasion of Iraq for the multitude of experience fighters doing he rounds in the Middle East at the moment. Afghanistan, pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Israel/'Palestine', Libya and the Arab Spring have created a new level of instability, a new class of political fighter and new opportunities for groups to instigate combat in any territory in the Arab/Israeli World, as most face poorly equipped and managed Armies, notably Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Israel and Qatar apart.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02