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Rubin Flag 11 Nov 16 7.36pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Doesn't excuse it though does it? From either side.

Back to topic, I was very pleased to hear Trump saying he wasn't going to try and force 'western democracy' on other nations.

I think that Trump may come up with some pleasant surprises during his tenure. He does have some 'left wing' ideas amongst the nonsense.

Time will tell.

It's worth listening to some of his rally speeches towards the end of the campaign, Nick. They didn't get any coverage in our media (or America's, for that matter).

Edited by Rubin (11 Nov 2016 7.38pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Nov 16 7.37pm

Originally posted by nickgusset


Doesn't excuse it though does it? From either side.

Back to topic, I was very pleased to hear Trump saying he wasn't going to try and force 'western democracy' on other nations.

I think that Trump may come up with some pleasant surprises during his tenure. He does have some 'left wing' ideas amongst the nonsense.

Time will tell.

No one is excusing anything except for trying to worm out of the referendum result.
Shame on them.

The only pleasant surprises Trump will come up with is if he actually does anything he claimed he would do during his campaign. A restriction on migration and a bit of job creation would be a start.

 

Part Time James Flag 11 Nov 16 7.44pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How lame is that?

As if the Remain camp were honest and accurate in their campaign.
To accuse the opposition of lies, dirty tricks or anything else really is quite laughable since that is the essence of politics in general, in case you hadn't noticed.

To be fair, that was misleading rather than a lie. Very misleading and very underhanded and written without caveats on a bus, so what I am saying by no means excuses anybody. But the original claim was "leaving the EU was forecast to free up £350m a week for the UK economy which could be put towards the NHS". That's semantics, I realise. However, who here thought that the campaigners for the Leave campaign such as Farage or Johnson would, post Brexit vote, take charge of this country and negotiate the terms of departure?

But as I say, I do totally accept the moans of Remainers on this one because no one can say the public weren't mislead. It is a case of semantics though as I don't think they were lied to as such.

Edited by Part Time James (11 Nov 2016 7.45pm)

 




steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Nov 16 7.55pm

So Trump will not enforce western democracy on other nations?

That's disappointing as we certainly need some with our tinpot dictator leader by-passing parliament and scared to death of the electorate.

 

Stuk Flag Top half 11 Nov 16 7.56pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Is that a fact set in stone like the £350m a week for the NHS?

It's a quote, from the person who, at present, is ultimately in charge of whether they get one or not.

Not that anyone claimed what you said was a fact, never mind setting it in stone.

 


Optimistic as ever

Stuk Flag Top half 11 Nov 16 7.59pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

"You do know that jimmy krankie isn't even an MP?"

So what? One thing her and the Scottish Tory leader might agree on is their current roles are more significant than being an MP

If they aren't an MP they can't even vote on the matter, should the government offer one. Which they've said they won't.

 


Optimistic as ever

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Nov 16 8.09pm

The 'remainers' including me were equally uninspired by the dreadful 'remain' campaign.

It was a shock to find that the PM and his fellow threateners knew nothing about the EU that's why they are always bashing Europe.

It would have been especially helpful if Ms.Merkel and Mr.Hollande had a platform as at least we would have some understanding of the EU position, after all we have been joined for 43 years.

Forget about 51 - 49 stick it in the bin we have a housing crisis.


 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Nov 16 8.21pm

A lot of debate here about Scotland but why?

If they want the EU, independence - a socially just society of their own and they vote for it then surely we should let them go?

Its down to them whether they win or fail but they are away from Westminster rule - that's got be welcome.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Nov 16 9.03pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The 'remainers' including me were equally uninspired by the dreadful 'remain' campaign.

It was a shock to find that the PM and his fellow threateners knew nothing about the EU that's why they are always bashing Europe.

It would have been especially helpful if Ms.Merkel and Mr.Hollande had a platform as at least we would have some understanding of the EU position, after all we have been joined for 43 years.

Forget about 51 - 49 stick it in the bin we have a housing crisis.


And construction has fallen in the last few months since the referendum. We do really need to start building houses, seriously.

 

We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 11 Nov 16 9.43pm

 


The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Nov 16 11.26pm

Originally posted by Rubin

It's worth listening to some of his rally speeches towards the end of the campaign, Nick. They didn't get any coverage in our media (or America's, for that matter).

Edited by Rubin (11 Nov 2016 7.38pm)

Scratch beneath of the campaign veneer of muslimsv/misogyny/Mexico wand there's a lot of comparisons with Bernie Sanders.

 

Rubin Flag 12 Nov 16 12.03am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Scratch beneath of the campaign veneer of muslimsv/misogyny/Mexico wand there's a lot of comparisons with Bernie Sanders.

It's a shame that Sanders ended up endorsing Clinton, considering she got a lot of her funding from Wall Street, who he claimed he was going stand up to. The democratic 'anti-establishment' candidate ended up backing the democratic candidate who epitomised the establishment.

This short video is worth watching for a bit of background on him:

[Link]

There's also the stealing of the candidacy by the DNC, yet he still carried on backing her. [Link]

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 Nov 16 5.55pm

Originally posted by Rubin

It's a shame that Sanders ended up endorsing Clinton, considering she got a lot of her funding from Wall Street, who he claimed he was going stand up to. The democratic 'anti-establishment' candidate ended up backing the democratic candidate who epitomised the establishment.

This short video is worth watching for a bit of background on him:

[Link]

There's also the stealing of the candidacy by the DNC, yet he still carried on backing her. [Link]

Trump is certainly not a Republicans republican. Use state money for investment in housing infrastructure and job creation? Funny, when Corbyn suggests this it's bonkers!

 

Rubin Flag 13 Nov 16 2.23am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Trump is certainly not a Republicans republican. Use state money for investment in housing infrastructure and job creation? Funny, when Corbyn suggests this it's bonkers!

I'm for Corbyn, in the sense that I think he's true to his beliefs. The one thing that disappointed me about him, is him backing down over his anti-EU stance, which he'd held his whole political career up until he became the Labour leader.

On a side note, I also don't trust May at all, purely due to her appointing Woolf and Sloss to run the child sex abuse enquiry, seeing as they both had links to those who were going to be investigated. It means to me that she is either incompetent or complicit in an attempted cover-up, the latter being the most likely.

 

nairb75 Flag Baltimore 14 Nov 16 5.54pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Trump is certainly not a Republicans republican. Use state money for investment in housing infrastructure and job creation? Funny, when Corbyn suggests this it's bonkers!

may be missing it but he IS the republicans at this point. they aren't what they were 30 or 40 years ago. been building a long time and now we have this.

 

Sportyteacher Flag London 14 Nov 16 7.39pm

Surely Trump initially represents another anti-establishment vote with the electorate simply fed up of the same old, not helped by Clinton's evident murky past that would make HER an electoral liability in any case.

The biggest, most screamingly obvious complaint from the rest of the world is that a country that has at least 250m population can be at best whittled down to these two plebeians to run for President - talk about the ultimate dumbing down?

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Nov 16 11.07am

Biggest winner in the US election must be the gun lobby.

What restrictions there were will be swiftly dismantled.

Does that make you think twice about going to the USA?

Fear not as tourists are going to be allowed to carry a small gun discreetly hidden.

How reassuring I can't wait not to go there.

 

Stuk Flag Top half 15 Nov 16 3.34pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Biggest winner in the US election must be the gun lobby.

What restrictions there were will be swiftly dismantled.

Does that make you think twice about going to the USA?

Fear not as tourists are going to be allowed to carry a small gun discreetly hidden.

How reassuring I can't wait not to go there.

Nope, and it never has.

 


Optimistic as ever

nairb75 Flag Baltimore 15 Nov 16 5.03pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Biggest winner in the US election must be the gun lobby.

What restrictions there were will be swiftly dismantled.

Does that make you think twice about going to the USA?

Fear not as tourists are going to be allowed to carry a small gun discreetly hidden.

How reassuring I can't wait not to go there.

you have it wrong. gun lobby and gun makers were rooting for hillary big time. they made a ton of money and headway with blacula in office and would've been more of the same with hillary. no boogeyman to rail against now.

but don't worry about coming here - it's not that you're allowed to carry a gun upon arrival. it's an expectation. hand out AK's at customs.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Nov 16 5.26pm

Thanks - so whats it like there you cool with the result or what?

 

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