Bias against Trump
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In | RSS Feed
 Stirlingsays  12 Aug 17 11.26pm |
   |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
Bollocks. Trumps anti Muslim rhetoric has emboldened fascist cunds. The only consistent bollocks comes from your keyboard.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
 Alert a moderator to this post |
  |
| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 12.55am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The only consistent bollocks comes from your keyboard. What do you attribute the rise in white supremacy in the U.S. to. Also, how come driving a car deliberately into a crowd isn't being called a terrorist act. Edit. I've seen on social media that some of the white supremacists (who aren't Nazis despite swastika flags) were chanting 'seig Trump'
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 1.30am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
What do you attribute the rise in white supremacy in the U.S. to. Also, how come driving a car deliberately into a crowd isn't being called a terrorist act. I attribute the 'rise' in 'white supremacy' to be tiny in real terms. The media are responsible for sensationalism as they always are....looking for easy villians and heros. There has certainly been a significant reaction against the 'rise' in identity politics from 'progressivism' that has taken over the Democratic party and now forms the policy of many companies. I fully support that reaction and regard myself as fully 'anti progressive'. I believe and support pushback against this insidiousness. However I most definitely don't support using violence as pushback. I agreed with how Trump responded to this. I watched his statement and saw nothing wrong with it. I think there is validity in criticising Trump's style of politics definitely. He lies, he exaggerates, he s*** talks....but he doesn't encourage murder. I don't blame him for murderers driving cars into protesters just as I don't blame the Democrat party for murders 'black lives matter' supporters carried out. Rhetoric doesn't help and it shows how badly polarized both sides are but ultimately murderers hold responsibility for their own actions. No one sanctions this behaviour from either party. As for what's happened here it's very fresh and I'll probably wait for more details. From what I know so far there was a vote to remove a statue of General Lee. That is obviously provocative and another example of identity politics looking to erasure history they don't like. So we get an organized protest and a counter protest. I don't know much about the details but there has been violence and a death. People who do that are criminals and/or murderers and receive nothing but condemnation from me. No one has the right to take lives over a difference of worldview....polarization in America has reached ridiculous levels and from what I've seen both sides are equally to blame for that. I don't recall you complaining about 'Black lives matter' violent protests or complaining about the murders that supporters of it carried out. Yet here you are quick as anything condemning its apparent opposite. Essentially I don't see you as a rational actor in relation to these events. I see a lack of compromise....indeed compromise is seen as 'selling out' today whereas as the compromisers of the past actually achieved things politically by using bipartisanship....Edward Kennedy for example. Those days are gone and all anyone cares about is 'winning'.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 1.44am |
|
|---|---|
|
Watched a video by Tim Pool on this and as usual he talks far more sense on it.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 1.45am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I attribute the 'rise' in 'white supremacy' to be tiny in real terms. The media are responsible for sensationalism as they always are....looking for easy villians and heros. There has certainly been a significant reaction against the 'rise' in identity politics from 'progressivism' that has taken over the Democratic party and now forms the policy of many companies. I fully support that reaction and regard myself as fully 'anti progressive'. I believe and support pushback against this insidiousness. However I most definitely don't support using violence as pushback. I agreed with how Trump responded to this. I watched his statement and saw nothing wrong with it. I think there is validity in criticising Trump's style of politics definitely. He lies, he exaggerates, he s*** talks....but he doesn't encourage murder. I don't blame him for murderers driving cars into protesters just as I don't blame the Democrat party for murders 'black lives matter' supporters carried out. Rhetoric doesn't help and it shows how badly polarized both sides are but ultimately murderers hold responsibility for their own actions. No one sanctions this behaviour from either party. As for what's happened here it's very fresh and I'll probably wait for more details. From what I know so far there was a vote to remove a statue of General Lee. That is obviously provocative and another example of identity politics looking to erasure history they don't like. So we get an organized protest and a counter protest. I don't know much about the details but there has been violence and a death. People who do that are criminals and/or murderers and receive nothing but condemnation from me. No one has the right to take lives over a difference of worldview....polarization in America has reached ridiculous levels and from what I've seen both sides are equally to blame for that. I don't recall you complaining about 'Black lives matter' violent protests or complaining about the murders that supporters of it carried out. Yet here you are quick as anything condemning its apparent opposite. Essentially I don't see you as a rational actor in relation to these events. I see a lack of compromise....indeed compromise is seen as 'selling out' today whereas as the compromisers of the past actually achieved things politically by using bipartisanship....Edward Kennedy for example. Those days are gone and all anyone cares about is 'winning'. Do you honestly think that Trump's anti Muslim, talking about building walls and other such rhetoric hasn't emboldened white supremisists in the US?
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Aug 17 1.54am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you honestly think that Trump's anti Muslim, talking about building walls and other such rhetoric hasn't emboldened white supremisists in the US? No They are a small insignificant group. They have always been around, certainly not thousands of jackbooted skinheads marching down Main St.
Pro USA & Israel |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 1.59am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you honestly think that Trump's anti Muslim, talking about building walls and other such rhetoric hasn't emboldened white supremisists in the US? I write that long post and you come out with that? To answer your question...because I tend to answer questions. I think they support it certainly. I'm not sure what you are saying? So Trump isn't allowed to have those views and speak them then? So your views Nick, are you responsible for the behaviour of everyone who has ever heard them? You call Tories 'cunds'...so if someone goes out and punches a Tory after reading that are you to blame?
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 8.42am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I write that long post and you come out with that? To answer your question...because I tend to answer questions. I think they support it certainly. I'm not sure what you are saying? So Trump isn't allowed to have those views and speak them then? So your views Nick, are you responsible for the behaviour of everyone who has ever heard them? You call Tories 'cunds'...so if someone goes out and punches a Tory after reading that are you to blame?
Watched different news channels after I last posted. On 3 of them different reporters said the white supremacists had been emboldened (yes they used the same word as I did)
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Stirlingsays 13 Aug 17 9.37am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
Watched different news channels after I last posted. On 3 of them different reporters said the white supremacists had been emboldened (yes they used the same word as I did) You are watching an echo chamber. Did you watch Tim Pool on the link I provided....probably not. And like I say, you do the very thing you complain about.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| matt_himself Matataland 13 Aug 17 10.07am |
|
|---|---|
|
We are in a very difficult political time and it is clear that a substantial proportion of the public in mature democracies have simply had enough of mainstream and collectively feel disenfranchised from government, regardless of whether they are left, right or centre. Brexit, Greece, Macron, Trump, Corbyn and Wilders are phenomena which pre-crunch wouldn't have happened. What we are seeing in the US is a situation that has been brewing for a decade. People are angry but not sure at whom to be angry at. The root causes for this are opaque but include nationalism, globalisation, technology, social media, the dying of traditional media, the lack of quality& creibility of mainstream politicians, a selfish modern social culture, a bizarre global feeling that most people feel 'oppressed' and conversely 'entitled', the rise of a China and the economic empowerment of different sections of society. The events in Virginia looked to me like two spoilt groups - neo nazis and antifa - taking social media squabbles to the Street. The arsehole whom drove the car into the crowd should be tried as a terrorist as there is no difference between their actions and the actions of the truck driver in Nice. These groups really need to think about themselves and their aims, as both groups intentions appear to be they are anti the other, with no real objectives beyond that. This isn't Trump's fault and I bet both sides feel empowered to 'act' after his election victory. One side because they mistakenly think he is on their side and the other because they think Trump is the anti-Christ. Let's just hope this doesn't spread. The last thing the World needs at the moment is the US distracted with an internal crisis whilst North Korea does its mischief. Edited by matt_himself (13 Aug 2017 10.08am)
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Aug 17 10.09am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You are watching an echo chamber. Did you watch Tim Pool on the link I provided....probably not. And like I say, you do the very thing you complain about. Watched the video. Said both sides are as bad as eachother. I'm sorry whilst he may have a point it doesn't address the fact that there are Nazis marching in the US in 2017. There are Nazis deliberately driving a car at speed into a crowd (but it's not a terrorist act!) Edited by nickgusset (13 Aug 2017 10.17am)
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| snytaxx London 13 Aug 17 10.23am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by nickgusset
Watched the video. Said both sides are as bad as eachother. I'm sorry whilst he may have a point it doesn't address the fact that there are Nazis marching in the US in 2017. There are Nazis deliberately driving a car at speed into a crowd (but it's not a terrorist act!)
Can't have it both ways good sir!
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / Register
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2023 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.