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  Hrolf The Ganger  23 Jun 24 8.48pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course not! That’s just a twisted version of something really simple. People aren’t the same. Everyone is unique. Even identical twins aren’t identical! The point is who determines ethnicity? Is it how you feel, or is it what others believe is required? If the latter is some kind of genetic threshold, how on earth is that going to be determined? Every definition of ethnicity I have seen says that it is determined by the acceptance and respect for heritage, history and culture that an individual believes is their own. It’s the only practical approach. It doesn’t impact anyone else, who don’t even need to know what any individual feels. It’s personal to them. Others can think and believe whatever they like. It only matters to people like the ONS when gathering data to determine trends and to inform government where resources are needed. Many people are going to identify exactly as you or I would also identify them. However, we wouldn’t know if someone we thought was English was actually English until they opened their mouth, or sometimes their heart. They could identify in many other ways. Conversely, you might think someone was English, based on a phone or online conversation, but change your mind when you saw them. Why should anyone else care what someone feels about themselves? Unless the true motivation had nothing actually to do with ethnicity itself but a desire to exclude those they don’t want included, for reasons of fear or loathing. If true, as all the indications suggest it is, then it presents echoes of some extremely distasteful episodes from history. Episodes that some may want to forget, ignore or brush under the carpet. Some though don’t. Lest we forget applies to many things. The reality of genetic heritage has nothing to do with Nazis or any other ethnic cleansing episodes. The fact that it has been used as an excuse to exclude or murder people do not alter its reality. Your whole outlook to this subject is clouded by politics, ideology and a paranoia about historical misdeeds. It is blinding you to the obvious.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 9.05pm |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
It has. Just ignore it. Carry on! I will. I find it revealing that in a forum where freedom of speech is frequently lauded, and “cancel culture” derided, that the desire to have a facility provided on a plate for them to ignore posts is regularly requested. Don’t you think other people are entitled to their opinions? To ignore anything is readily available. It’s called restraint! You don’t have to respond to any post.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 9.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The reality of genetic heritage has nothing to do with Nazis or any other ethnic cleansing episodes. The fact that it has been used as an excuse to exclude or murder people do not alter its reality. Your whole outlook to this subject is clouded by politics, ideology and a paranoia about historical misdeeds. It is blinding you to the obvious. The reality is that genetic heritage was precisely the reasons for the genocide committed by the Nazis and other ethnic cleansing elsewhere. To try to ignore that is to deny reality. It matters and it needs to be kept at the forefront of our consciousness and not conveniently buried. Are you suggesting every published definition, from respected dictionaries and journals, is codswallop and you know better? Wonderful! To learn the meaning of anything all we need to do is ask you! What’s the meaning of life and everything? I bet you think it’s 42! Ethnicity is not based on science. It’s a social construct. All the time you are searching for a scientific explanation you are looking in the wrong place. You have the answer you want and are now trying to find something to justify it, but unfortunately for you it doesn’t exist. My outlook is not blind, and neither clouded nor political. It’s simple, factual, and backed up by authority.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 10.13pm |
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Indeed.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The reality is that genetic heritage was precisely the reasons for the genocide committed by the Nazis and other ethnic cleansing elsewhere. To try to ignore that is to deny reality. It matters and it needs to be kept at the forefront of our consciousness and not conveniently buried. Are you suggesting every published definition, from respected dictionaries and journals, is codswallop and you know better? Wonderful! To learn the meaning of anything all we need to do is ask you! What’s the meaning of life and everything? I bet you think it’s 42! Ethnicity is not based on science. It’s a social construct. All the time you are searching for a scientific explanation you are looking in the wrong place. You have the answer you want and are now trying to find something to justify it, but unfortunately for you it doesn’t exist. My outlook is not blind, and neither clouded nor political. It’s simple, factual, and backed up by authority. No. The reason was because they were murdering b******s. People have used religion, nationality, skin colour or even which football someone supports as a reason to kill. Should we pretend that they don't exist as well? Ethnicity is indeed not based on science, as I have said several times. It is a broad term that covers just about anything, as I have said several times. It does however include genetics as a factor.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Indeed. Ignore buttons are of limited use. All that happens is that you see the post anyway because someone else has quoted it. I tried it on the other site, and it didn't help much. You would have to ignore 90% of the members over there anyway.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jun 24 9.37am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No. The reason was because they were murdering b******s. People have used religion, nationality, skin colour or even which football someone supports as a reason to kill. Should we pretend that they don't exist as well? Ethnicity is indeed not based on science, as I have said several times. It is a broad term that covers just about anything, as I have said several times. It does however include genetics as a factor. They were murdering b********s who used genetics as their justification. I condemn anyone who uses any arbitrary reason to justify murder, be it religion, skin colour or football team. I won’t though excuse them because it was genetics! At least you now acknowledge that ethnicity is not based on science. That is a significant breakthrough. It doesn’t though cover “just about everything”! Even if that suits your preconceptions. It concerns only culture, history and heritage. Genetics play no role at all, other than in assisting researchers to find likely groupings.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Jun 24 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They were murdering b********s who used genetics as their justification. I condemn anyone who uses any arbitrary reason to justify murder, be it religion, skin colour or football team. I won’t though excuse them because it was genetics! At least you now acknowledge that ethnicity is not based on science. That is a significant breakthrough. It doesn’t though cover “just about everything”! Even if that suits your preconceptions. It concerns only culture, history and heritage. Genetics play no role at all, other than in assisting researchers to find likely groupings. Hitler did not need genetics as justification. That is daft. You are avoiding the point, as usual. Any number of excuses can be used as a reason for genocide. That doesn't alter reality. Ethnicity is a term you introduced to the conversation, presumably because it is so vague that you can spin it any way you please. I'm sure some modern scientists will tell you anything you want to hear as long as they get funding. They are as succeptable to the neo liberalism gone mad woke agenda as anyone else.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Jun 24 11.54am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ignore buttons are of limited use. All that happens is that you see the post anyway because someone else has quoted it. I tried it on the other site, and it didn't help much. You would have to ignore 90% of the members over there anyway. I'm more than willing to give it a go. I'm fine with him being quoted by others, his free speech is a principle....something the right protect and the progressives only care about for themselves.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Spiderman Horsham 24 Jun 24 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You are legally Chinese if you have a Chinese passport. How you identify will depend on how you view yourself. Skin colour has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on ethnicity. Or racial identity:- Not all passports automatically give you Citizenship. Passports of Convenience are bought for a number of reasons, visa free travel, tax evasion to name but 2. Of all the POC I have seen ( mainly from the Caribbean) held by Chinese, Russian and Middle Eastern nationals, none identified as anything other than their original nationality.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jun 24 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Hitler did not need genetics as justification. That is daft. You are avoiding the point, as usual. Any number of excuses can be used as a reason for genocide. That doesn't alter reality. Ethnicity is a term you introduced to the conversation, presumably because it is so vague that you can spin it any way you please. I'm sure some modern scientists will tell you anything you want to hear as long as they get funding. They are as succeptable to the neo liberalism gone mad woke agenda as anyone else. Hitler’s whole ethos was based on genetics and the purity of the Aryan. His genocides flowed from that. Ethnicity is the term that describes what binds people into groups. It defines who is English. The only spinning involved here is by you in trying to twist its meaning. So now you accuse every expert who produces almost identical answers to each other, but which differs to your own amateur one, as corrupt! That’s a new low but at least it lays bare the paucity of the argument.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Jun 24 6.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Hitler’s whole ethos was based on genetics and the purity of the Aryan. His genocides flowed from that. Ethnicity is the term that describes what binds people into groups. It defines who is English. The only spinning involved here is by you in trying to twist its meaning. So now you accuse every expert who produces almost identical answers to each other, but which differs to your own amateur one, as corrupt! That’s a new low but at least it lays bare the paucity of the argument.
The simplistic idea that Hitler killed for genes is ridiculous. It is the denial of science in the name of paranoia. The constraint of truth to save us all? We have our very own Dr Zaius.
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| georgenorman 24 Jun 24 7.07pm |
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Chaps like Hitler give the English a bad name.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Jun 24 7.08pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
god this thread is depressingly serious. How about some levity ?
What? The Dr Zaius thing not good enough?
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