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 susmik  PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 26 Jun 16 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by Leicestershireeagle
I've been lurking, reading, taking this thread in. Whilst I won't indulge in the willy waving, I will say this; not all us young 'uns who voted to Remain are sour, or bitter, about the specific decision to leave the EU; currencies bounce back, markets recover etc. What I think is happening, if I can draw on anecdotal evidence, is there's a generation disillusioned with the country they live in, and the social commentary this whole thing has provided; it has supposedly legitimized racism, xenophobia and discrimination. I'm far more aggrieved at the turn out for young people than I am the older generation deciding a future they won't get to see, so my generation (and younger) have only theirselves to blame. The disinterest in politics is a lengthy subject, whether that be social disconnect, political betrayal or the fact that we're particularly guilty of taking things for granted, but all of this has been exacerbated by one thing; poor campaign messages and a lack of leadership, particularly for the Remain Campaign. It's abdunatly clear that the Leave Campaign used lies, misinformation and downright myths to win people over, and the Remain campaign was woefully undercooked, lacked conviction and failed to actually influence fence-sitters. Personally, despite voting Remain, I have no issue in principle with leaving the EU, but a hell of a lot of my friends and people I know voted in an attempt to show solidarity and defiance against a UK where Nigel Farage can be taken seriously. Fundamentally, it disgusts a lot of us to see people beating their chest, proclaiming they've got their country back, calling out Europeans to pack their bags and reveling in a mindset that has no place in a modern world. Not all leavers are racists, and I'd certainly not wish to undermine anyone's opinions or views, particularly fellow HOL'ers, but to say we're all sour and bitter is just wrong. We're disillusioned to see the country so split, for so many social dinosaurs legitimized and for so many to be hoodwinked by myths and misinformation. It is what it is; I don't like it, I'll continue to be disheartened by some of the views and actions others are taking, and I worry about where this rabbit hole leads, but all any of us can do is role up our sleeves and get on with it. First of all we the older generation have seen a bit more of what has happened to the Common market that was originally signed up to and it is now a federal State run by France and Germany. We have at last got the power back to make it Great Britain again for you the younger generation and beyond. I am afraid that the second bit I highlighted is because the so called lies you mentioned came from both sides as happens in any debate although I would not call them lies but wrong comments. BOTH sides did it not only Brexit.
Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky. |
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 26 Jun 16 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Like in 1975 when the we thought the EEC was a common trading platform, not the beginnings of a European Super State? I don't know about you, but I voted in 1975 and we were all hoodwinked! Never a truer word spoken hoof!!
Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky. |
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 26 Jun 16 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So after the Seismic shock of leaving the EU and the end of the World predictions if we did, everything seems to be quite normal in my part of Kent. Still the same in Plymouth too....Apart from some whining Labour MP's on politics show increasing their volume when being asked questions.
Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky. |
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 Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jun 16 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
YOU ARE ALL STILL SLEEPING I WILL BREAK IT TO YOU WE HAVE NOT LEFT THE EU WE WILL NEVER EVER LEAVE THE EU THIS IS ALL PART OF THE BLOCKBUSTER AND YOU LOT ARE THE NIEVE AUDIENCE WE WILL NEVER EVER EVER BE ABLE TO LEAVE THE EU I am part of the world's 0.01% of people with a brain cell whereas most of you, the rest, the sheep do not have brains wired or intelligent enough to understand emergent comings. You won't make too many friends with that kind of statement Diving' but I love your suspicious mind, so don't ever stop being you. BTW. It is spelled naive.
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| exbiggineagle Coney Hall Village 26 Jun 16 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So after the Seismic shock of leaving the EU and the end of the World predictions if we did, everything seems to be quite normal in my part of Kent. The sun is still shining here.
#Khanout |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jun 16 2.03pm |
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Originally posted by exbiggineagle
The sun is still shining here. As Morten Harket once said, The Sun Always shines on Co- ney......Hall. Well close enough.
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| matt_himself Matataland 26 Jun 16 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Grassroots Labour members don't think so. This labour grassroots theory is rubbish. You full well know that Corbyn is justifying his power on the thousands of affiliate entryist a, not full members of the party, who are mostly Trot Unionists. It's a complete illusion.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Jun 16 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
This labour grassroots theory is rubbish. You full well know that Corbyn is justifying his power on the thousands of affiliate entryist a, not full members of the party, who are mostly Trot Unionists. It's a complete illusion. Have you spoken to the public about Corbyn as I have whilst manning Nut stalls in the past few weeks. Ask them to go beyond the Corbyn is unelectable rhetoric and they can't explain why. Discuss with them what Labour's policies are and a surprisingly large majority of them say, I didn't know that. I agree with it. Yes he does need to get the message across better, but the policies are rarely reported in the media if at all. (Edited due to typos) Edited by nickgusset (26 Jun 2016 2.21pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 26 Jun 16 2.20pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Have you spoken to the public about Corbyn as I have whilst manning Nut stalls in the past few weeks. Ask them to go beyond the Corbyn is unelectable rhetoric and they can't explain why. My favourites are macadamia but I am also partial to brazils, cashews and pistachios.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Jun 16 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
My favourites are macadamia but I am also partial to brazils, cashews and pistachios. I like line the traitors against the wallnuts.
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| matt_himself Matataland 26 Jun 16 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Have you spoken to the public about Corbyn as I have whilst manning Nut stalls in the past few weeks. Ask them to go beyond the Corbyn is unelectable rhetoric and they can't explain why. Discuss with them what Labour's policies are and a surprisingly large majority of them say, I didn't know that. I agree with it. Yes he does need to get the message across better, but the policies are rarely reported in the media if at all. (Edited due to typos) Edited by nickgusset (26 Jun 2016 2.21pm) DEFLECTION. EVADE. DEFLECTION.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Jun 16 2.35pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
DEFLECTION. EVADE. DEFLECTION. Is that meant to be read in a dalek voice? One minute you say that there are hardly any trots, now you are saying that the largest party membership of any party are all trots. Edited by nickgusset (26 Jun 2016 2.37pm)
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| turkish eagle 26 Jun 16 2.35pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Maybe But when it turns out that Britain can't afford to leave the EEA - or at least the European Single Market - and so free movement remains a requirement I suspect there may be quite a few people that want their money back. This vote was overwhelmingly about immigration in the end. It is a shame that the Labour party probably won't be able to remove someone who has proved himself a pretty useless leader, it is in nobody's interests to have a weak opposition. Corby seems to me pretty selfish, he is so 'principled' that he fails to fully grasp he is there to represent the people. Whatever people feel about the vote, it is final. I don't think any party that stands a chance of government is going to stand on a platform of re-entering the EU. However it may be that the divorce settlement may not be to the taste of some of those that wanted to leave so we shall wait and see how they react when details become clearer. Corbyn will be re-elected leader by an even bigger majority if anyone is stupid enough to stand against the most popular leader (in terms of votes in a leadership election) in the party's history. I think most members will say it's only fair he has a chance of standing as leader in a general election and will be angry at a vote being forced.
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| Part Time James 26 Jun 16 2.35pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Have you spoken to the public about Corbyn as I have whilst manning Nut stalls in the past few weeks. Ask them to go beyond the Corbyn is unelectable rhetoric and they can't explain why. Discuss with them what Labour's policies are and a surprisingly large majority of them say, I didn't know that. I agree with it. Yes he does need to get the message across better, but the policies are rarely reported in the media if at all. (Edited due to typos) Edited by nickgusset (26 Jun 2016 2.21pm) Possibly because the public have observed that around half of his party allegedly believe he let them down in the Remain campaign and the other half believe he let them down by representing the Remain stance. They may not wish to see a person elected to government that doesn't have the faith of his own party. That's a guess. I know f*** all.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 Jun 16 2.39pm |
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Another bit of nonsense unravels.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Jun 16 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Possibly because the public have observed that around half of his party allegedly believe he let them down in the Remain campaign and the other half believe he let them down by representing the Remain stance. They may not wish to see a person elected to government that doesn't have the faith of his own party. That's a guess. I know f*** all.
As I've said, the Brexit vote is being used for opportunitism by the PLP.
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| matt_himself Matataland 26 Jun 16 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Is that meant to be read in a dalek voice? One minute you say that there are hardly any trots, now you are saying that the largest party membership of any party are all trots. Edited by nickgusset (26 Jun 2016 2.37pm) Again with the evasion. I have never said there are no Trots. I have said that the Trots have affiliated to Labour, using typical Trot entryist tactics, and were responsible for getting Comrade Corbyn elected. Answer my earlier point Gusset. Cease your evasion.
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