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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 May 17 9.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Scotland can do what it likes. So far it has always liked being in the Union, despite various attempts by stupid politicians to change it.
And anything less than 'hard' Brexit is no Brexit at all.
That is another reason not to trust Labour. They would renege on Brexit as much as possible.

One man's getting the best deal for everyone vs Theresa the dictator.

People forget that the art of politics is compromise.

 

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Originally posted by susmik

But they do that is a known fact. Labour think by taxing the better paid people they can make all these wonderful work like, Nationalise the railways, the post office, the water companies etc.. what a load of tosh. It has been proved by George Osborne that by lowering the tax threshold on the rich the government will rake in more money as when you tax the better off with high taxes they either move away or stop in vesting. Labour has ALWAYS been a high taxing and borrowing party and is why we are in the sh1t we are and paying back so much money. Labour if in power would bankrupt the country and we would ALLbe worse off as happened before.

As you can see. Tax take decreased under Tories in early 90s and since 2010. So they 'raked in' less money.

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 May 17 9.30pm

From the Labour manifesto.
DEFENCE
The primary duty of any
government is to protect and
defend its citizens. We live in a
period of growing international
tensions. A strong, viable and
sustainable defence and security
policy must be strategic and
evidence led.
As previous incoming governments
have done, a Labour government will
order a complete strategic defence
and security review when it comes
into office, to assess the emerging
threats facing Britain, including
hybrid and cyber warfare. Cyber
security will form an integral part of
our defence and security strategy
and we will introduce a cyber-security
charter for companies working with
the Ministry of Defence.
We will ensure that our armed
forces are properly equipped
and resourced to respond to
wide-ranging security challenges.
Labour will commit to effective 8N
peacekeeping, including support for
a UN Emergency Peace Service.
As the security threats and challenges
we face are not bound by geographic
borders, it is vital that as Britain
leaves the EU, we maintain our close
relationship with our European
partners. Alongside our commitment
to NATO, we will continue to work
with the EU on a range of operational
missions to promote and support
global and regional security.
The last Labour government
consistently spent above the NATO
benchmark of 2 per cent of GDP.
Conservative spending cuts have put
Britain’s security at risk, shrinking
the army to its smallest size since
the Napoleonic wars. The scrapping
of Nimrod, HMS Ark Royal and the
Harrier jump-jets have weakened
our defences and cost British
taxpayers millions.
Labour’s commitment to spending at
least 2 per cent of GDP on defence
will guarantee that our Armed Forces
have the necessary capabilities to
fulfil the full range of obligations,
and ensure our conventional forces
are versatile and able to deploy in a
range of roles.
Labour supports the renewal of
the Trident nuclear deterrent. As a
nuclear-armed power, our country
has a responsibility to fulfil our
obligations under the Nuclear Non-
Proliferation Treaty. Labour will lead
multilateral efforts with international
partners and the UN to create a
nuclear-free world.
The 8. defence industry is world-
leading, and Labour will continue to
support development and innovation
in this sector and to ensure that it can
continue to rely on a highly skilled workforce. We are committed to a
procurement process that supports
the British steel industry and defence
manufacturing industry, which in
turn provide good jobs throughout
the supply chain. Labour will publish
a Defence Industrial Strategy
White Paper, including a National
Shipbuilding Strategy to secure a
long-term future for the industry,
workers and 8. defence.
We have a duty to properly reward
and remunerate our Armed Forces.
Under the Conservatives, our Armed
Forces have been hit by rent rises,
pay restraint, and changes to tax
and benefits, putting real pressure
on service personnel and their
families. We will ensure they get the
pay and living conditions that their
service merits.
Dedicated service personnel are
at the heart of our defence policy.
Labour will immediately examine
recruitment and retention policies in
order to stem the exodus seen under
the Conservatives. We will publish
new strategic equality objectives to
ensure our personnel re&#565;ect our
diverse society.
We will drive up standards in Service
Accommodation, and take action
where private companies have failed
to deliver. We will consult with service
personnel, giving them greater
autonomy over their housing choices,
and review and improve the Forces
Help to Buy scheme.
Personnel who are injured while
serving should have prompt access
to support and compensation. We
will resist any Conservative proposals
to abolish the right to seek legal
redress against the MoD where
compensation claims cannot be
otherwise settled.
We are fully committed to supporting
our veterans. We will promote
greater awareness of the Armed
Forces Covenant, seek greater
consistency in its implementation
by public authorities, and promote
increased participation in the
Corporate Covenant.
We will also roll out a Homes Fit for
Heroes programme that will insulate
the homes of disabled veterans
for free.

Apologies but I can't be arsed to sort out the format from pdf...

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 May 17 9.35pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

One man's getting the best deal for everyone vs Theresa the dictator.

People forget that the art of politics is compromise.

But that is a fantasy. Most know it and that is why they will vote Tory.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 May 17 9.37pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

From the Labour manifesto.
DEFENCE
The primary duty of any
government is to protect and
defend its citizens. We live in a
period of growing international
tensions. A strong, viable and
sustainable defence and security
policy must be strategic and
evidence led.
As previous incoming governments
have done, a Labour government will
order a complete strategic defence
and security review when it comes
into office, to assess the emerging
threats facing Britain, including
hybrid and cyber warfare. Cyber
security will form an integral part of
our defence and security strategy
and we will introduce a cyber-security
charter for companies working with
the Ministry of Defence.
We will ensure that our armed
forces are properly equipped
and resourced to respond to
wide-ranging security challenges.
Labour will commit to effective 8N
peacekeeping, including support for
a UN Emergency Peace Service.
As the security threats and challenges
we face are not bound by geographic
borders, it is vital that as Britain
leaves the EU, we maintain our close
relationship with our European
partners. Alongside our commitment
to NATO, we will continue to work
with the EU on a range of operational
missions to promote and support
global and regional security.
The last Labour government
consistently spent above the NATO
benchmark of 2 per cent of GDP.
Conservative spending cuts have put
Britain’s security at risk, shrinking
the army to its smallest size since
the Napoleonic wars. The scrapping
of Nimrod, HMS Ark Royal and the
Harrier jump-jets have weakened
our defences and cost British
taxpayers millions.
Labour’s commitment to spending at
least 2 per cent of GDP on defence
will guarantee that our Armed Forces
have the necessary capabilities to
fulfil the full range of obligations,
and ensure our conventional forces
are versatile and able to deploy in a
range of roles.
Labour supports the renewal of
the Trident nuclear deterrent. As a
nuclear-armed power, our country
has a responsibility to fulfil our
obligations under the Nuclear Non-
Proliferation Treaty. Labour will lead
multilateral efforts with international
partners and the UN to create a
nuclear-free world.
The 8. defence industry is world-
leading, and Labour will continue to
support development and innovation
in this sector and to ensure that it can
continue to rely on a highly skilled workforce. We are committed to a
procurement process that supports
the British steel industry and defence
manufacturing industry, which in
turn provide good jobs throughout
the supply chain. Labour will publish
a Defence Industrial Strategy
White Paper, including a National
Shipbuilding Strategy to secure a
long-term future for the industry,
workers and 8. defence.
We have a duty to properly reward
and remunerate our Armed Forces.
Under the Conservatives, our Armed
Forces have been hit by rent rises,
pay restraint, and changes to tax
and benefits, putting real pressure
on service personnel and their
families. We will ensure they get the
pay and living conditions that their
service merits.
Dedicated service personnel are
at the heart of our defence policy.
Labour will immediately examine
recruitment and retention policies in
order to stem the exodus seen under
the Conservatives. We will publish
new strategic equality objectives to
ensure our personnel re&#565;ect our
diverse society.
We will drive up standards in Service
Accommodation, and take action
where private companies have failed
to deliver. We will consult with service
personnel, giving them greater
autonomy over their housing choices,
and review and improve the Forces
Help to Buy scheme.
Personnel who are injured while
serving should have prompt access
to support and compensation. We
will resist any Conservative proposals
to abolish the right to seek legal
redress against the MoD where
compensation claims cannot be
otherwise settled.
We are fully committed to supporting
our veterans. We will promote
greater awareness of the Armed
Forces Covenant, seek greater
consistency in its implementation
by public authorities, and promote
increased participation in the
Corporate Covenant.
We will also roll out a Homes Fit for
Heroes programme that will insulate
the homes of disabled veterans
for free.

Apologies but I can't be arsed to sort out the format from pdf...

You wasted you time. Manifestos are a fairy story and if you don't know that at your age then there is no hope for you.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 May 17 9.39pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

As you can see. Tax take decreased under Tories in early 90s and since 2010. So they 'raked in' less money.

Time after time, after years of osmosis, myths about labour keep cropping up. Time after time the myths are shown to be a load of cobblers through cold hard facts and evidence.

Yet people still don't, or refuse to, believe it.

Edited by nickgusset (16 May 2017 9.43pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 May 17 9.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But that is a fantasy. Most know it and that is why they will vote Tory.

Well argued. There's just no comback to your cutting insight.
You were moaning that they had no policies a few months ago.
Can I enquire, why has 'Everyone knows it' been downgraded to 'Most know it'?

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 16 May 17 9.47pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

From the Labour manifesto.
DEFENCE
The primary duty of any
government is to protect and
defend its citizens. We live in a
period of growing international
tensions. A strong, viable and
sustainable defence and security
policy must be strategic and
evidence led.
As previous incoming governments
have done, a Labour government will
order a complete strategic defence
and security review when it comes
into office, to assess the emerging
threats facing Britain, including
hybrid and cyber warfare. Cyber
security will form an integral part of
our defence and security strategy
and we will introduce a cyber-security
charter for companies working with
the Ministry of Defence.
We will ensure that our armed
forces are properly equipped
and resourced to respond to
wide-ranging security challenges.
Labour will commit to effective 8N
peacekeeping, including support for
a UN Emergency Peace Service.
As the security threats and challenges
we face are not bound by geographic
borders, it is vital that as Britain
leaves the EU, we maintain our close
relationship with our European
partners. Alongside our commitment
to NATO, we will continue to work
with the EU on a range of operational
missions to promote and support
global and regional security.
The last Labour government
consistently spent above the NATO
benchmark of 2 per cent of GDP.
Conservative spending cuts have put
Britain’s security at risk, shrinking
the army to its smallest size since
the Napoleonic wars. The scrapping
of Nimrod, HMS Ark Royal and the
Harrier jump-jets have weakened
our defences and cost British
taxpayers millions.
Labour’s commitment to spending at
least 2 per cent of GDP on defence
will guarantee that our Armed Forces
have the necessary capabilities to
fulfil the full range of obligations,
and ensure our conventional forces
are versatile and able to deploy in a
range of roles.
Labour supports the renewal of
the Trident nuclear deterrent. As a
nuclear-armed power, our country
has a responsibility to fulfil our
obligations under the Nuclear Non-
Proliferation Treaty. Labour will lead
multilateral efforts with international
partners and the UN to create a
nuclear-free world.
The 8. defence industry is world-
leading, and Labour will continue to
support development and innovation
in this sector and to ensure that it can
continue to rely on a highly skilled workforce. We are committed to a
procurement process that supports
the British steel industry and defence
manufacturing industry, which in
turn provide good jobs throughout
the supply chain. Labour will publish
a Defence Industrial Strategy
White Paper, including a National
Shipbuilding Strategy to secure a
long-term future for the industry,
workers and 8. defence.
We have a duty to properly reward
and remunerate our Armed Forces.
Under the Conservatives, our Armed
Forces have been hit by rent rises,
pay restraint, and changes to tax
and benefits, putting real pressure
on service personnel and their
families. We will ensure they get the
pay and living conditions that their
service merits.
Dedicated service personnel are
at the heart of our defence policy.
Labour will immediately examine
recruitment and retention policies in
order to stem the exodus seen under
the Conservatives. We will publish
new strategic equality objectives to
ensure our personnel re&#565;ect our
diverse society.
We will drive up standards in Service
Accommodation, and take action
where private companies have failed
to deliver. We will consult with service
personnel, giving them greater
autonomy over their housing choices,
and review and improve the Forces
Help to Buy scheme.
Personnel who are injured while
serving should have prompt access
to support and compensation. We
will resist any Conservative proposals
to abolish the right to seek legal
redress against the MoD where
compensation claims cannot be
otherwise settled.
We are fully committed to supporting
our veterans. We will promote
greater awareness of the Armed
Forces Covenant, seek greater
consistency in its implementation
by public authorities, and promote
increased participation in the
Corporate Covenant.
We will also roll out a Homes Fit for
Heroes programme that will insulate
the homes of disabled veterans
for free.

Apologies but I can't be arsed to sort out the format from pdf...

So why all of a sudden are labour so concerned about our armed forces,and I thought why didn't they care last time they were in power.

Instead they sent them to a conflict f*** all to do with us.

 


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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 16 May 17 9.51pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

CambridgeEagle...you said you were going to get back to me about deficits. There have been so many posts since that I can't find an answer if you gave one. Still genuinely interested.

 


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Originally posted by matt_himself

No, it is up to you to provide reliable evidence to back up your position.

Until you do so, your 'position' will be automatically dismissed as paranoid, politically driven drivel.

Risible. I've not seen you back up any position with reliable evidence or analysis.

 

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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

CambridgeEagle...you said you were going to get back to me about deficits. There have been so many posts since that I can't find an answer if you gave one. Still genuinely interested.

Yes and I will. Apologies.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You wasted you time. Manifestos are a fairy story and if you don't know that at your age then there is no hope for you.

Why vote for anyone then?

 

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