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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 12.20am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman An insightful riposte. Good work.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 12.20am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

An insightful riposte. Good work.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.21am
Boris in the Telegraph 'I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be' [Link] Might calm some of the pant wetters. Here's the key bit IMO at the end. I believe that this climate of apprehension is understandable, given what people were told during the campaign, but based on a profound misunderstanding about what has really taken place. At home and abroad, the negative consequences are being wildly overdone, and the upside is being ignored. The stock market is way above its level of last autumn; the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014. The economy is in good hands. Most sensible people can see that Bank of England governor Mark Carney has done a superb job – and now that the referendum is over, he will be able to continue his work without being in the political firing-line. Thanks in large part to the reforms put in place by David Cameron and George Osborne, the fundamentals of the UK economy are outstandingly strong – a dynamic and outward-looking economy with an ever-improving skills base, and with a big lead in some of the key growth sectors of the 21st century. We should be incredibly proud and positive about the UK, and what it can now achieve. And we will achieve those things together, with all four nations united. We had one Scotland referendum in 2014, and I do not detect any real appetite to have another one soon; and it goes without saying that we are much better together in forging a new and better relationship with the EU – based on free trade and partnership, rather than a federal system. I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer. The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK. Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden. There is every cause for optimism; a Britain rebooted, reset, renewed and able to engage with the whole world. This was a seismic campaign whose lessons must be learnt by politicians at home and abroad. We heard the voices of millions of the forgotten people, who have seen no real increase in their incomes, while FTSE-100 chiefs now earn 150 times the average pay of their employees. We must pursue actively the one-nation policies that are among David Cameron’s fine legacy, such as his campaigns on the Living Wage and Life Chances. There is no doubt that many were speaking up for themselves. But they were also speaking up for democracy, and the verdict of history will be that the British people got it right. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.21am

Boris in the Telegraph 'I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be'

[Link]

Might calm some of the pant wetters. Here's the key bit IMO at the end.

I believe that this climate of apprehension is understandable, given what people were told during the campaign, but based on a profound misunderstanding about what has really taken place. At home and abroad, the negative consequences are being wildly overdone, and the upside is being ignored. The stock market is way above its level of last autumn; the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014.

The economy is in good hands. Most sensible people can see that Bank of England governor Mark Carney has done a superb job – and now that the referendum is over, he will be able to continue his work without being in the political firing-line. Thanks in large part to the reforms put in place by David Cameron and George Osborne, the fundamentals of the UK economy are outstandingly strong – a dynamic and outward-looking economy with an ever-improving skills base, and with a big lead in some of the key growth sectors of the 21st century.

We should be incredibly proud and positive about the UK, and what it can now achieve. And we will achieve those things together, with all four nations united. We had one Scotland referendum in 2014, and I do not detect any real appetite to have another one soon; and it goes without saying that we are much better together in forging a new and better relationship with the EU – based on free trade and partnership, rather than a federal system.

I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer.

The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK.

Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden.

There is every cause for optimism; a Britain rebooted, reset, renewed and able to engage with the whole world. This was a seismic campaign whose lessons must be learnt by politicians at home and abroad. We heard the voices of millions of the forgotten people, who have seen no real increase in their incomes, while FTSE-100 chiefs now earn 150 times the average pay of their employees. We must pursue actively the one-nation policies that are among David Cameron’s fine legacy, such as his campaigns on the Living Wage and Life Chances. There is no doubt that many were speaking up for themselves.

But they were also speaking up for democracy, and the verdict of history will be that the British people got it right.

COYP

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 12.22am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The DAX, CAC and Spanish stock markets were hammered far more than the FTSE. There is some leverage here with us being the biggest German export market. Invoke article 50 before a General Election so Labour can't stop it and preferably before a Tory leadership contest so a remainer can't block it either. Don't rush it but do it before it's blocked. I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 12.22am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The DAX, CAC and Spanish stock markets were hammered far more than the FTSE. There is some leverage here with us being the biggest German export market.

Invoke article 50 before a General Election so Labour can't stop it and preferably before a Tory leadership contest so a remainer can't block it either. Don't rush it but do it before it's blocked.

I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.31am
Originally posted by nickgusset An insightful riposte. Good work. It was boring though. The more I hear this stuff the more boring it is, and I've heard a lot of it today on the radio, alternating between remain sulkers clutching at straws and intelligent people for leave and going against the stereotype of the bigoted moron. It's more clutching at straws that would undermine democracy by claiming it's democracy at work. Hey?Honestly, the rest of the world will laugh at us if these tantrum remainers get their way. The one credible theory I heard was that a compromise would be reached and we'd stay in the EU by insisting EU immigrants have freedom of labour movement to the UK. By that he meant they had a job already. A great idea I thought. Later I realised it's open to fraud. Forged letters, copied template letters. Promises from agencies without definite work. The possibilities are endless and the temptation to come will grow when the 2020 living wage comes in. But don't worry, as long as Will Self and the champagne socialists know they're favouring people from Eastern Europe before our own citizens, I'm sure it'll make for a healthy and sustainable society and economy. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 12.42am) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.31am

Originally posted by nickgusset

An insightful riposte. Good work.

It was boring though. The more I hear this stuff the more boring it is, and I've heard a lot of it today on the radio, alternating between remain sulkers clutching at straws and intelligent people for leave and going against the stereotype of the bigoted moron.

It's more clutching at straws that would undermine democracy by claiming it's democracy at work. Hey?Honestly, the rest of the world will laugh at us if these tantrum remainers get their way.

The one credible theory I heard was that a compromise would be reached and we'd stay in the EU by insisting EU immigrants have freedom of labour movement to the UK. By that he meant they had a job already. A great idea I thought. Later I realised it's open to fraud. Forged letters, copied template letters. Promises from agencies without definite work. The possibilities are endless and the temptation to come will grow when the 2020 living wage comes in. But don't worry, as long as Will Self and the champagne socialists know they're favouring people from Eastern Europe before our own citizens, I'm sure it'll make for a healthy and sustainable society and economy.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 12.42am)

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.33am
Originally posted by nickgusset I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap. Good. Shown his true colours, intentions and likely referendum vote. Hopefully Labour won't shove Corbyn out completely then (I agree with the protection of workers' rights) and bring in a Blairite with nothing to lose or David Miliband into Jo Cox's constituency although any of them will lose I think. Now the tories need to mute the likes of David Lammy, Ruth Davison. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 12.54am) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.33am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap.

Good. Shown his true colours, intentions and likely referendum vote. Hopefully Labour won't shove Corbyn out completely then (I agree with the protection of workers' rights) and bring in a Blairite with nothing to lose or David Miliband into Jo Cox's constituency although any of them will lose I think.

Now the tories need to mute the likes of David Lammy, Ruth Davison.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 12.54am)

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.40am
Spoke to an early 20's female graduate today. She has no economic background and certainly no understanding. Couldn't understand the demand and supply with regard to housing. Kept going on about the prices will crash because of leave. Tried to explain it to her but she didn't want to know or find out. She'd heard what she wanted to before. Then it was '3 million jobs will be lost.' She didn't hear then that Chukka Umuna et al were called up on this that they would not 'be lost' but were 'linked to the EU.' When trying to explain these jobs were linked to the EU and would not be lost in 1 fail swoop she just didn't want to know. She almost put her hands over her ears to go la la la la. This is what we're dealing with. Young people who know better, young people who go by what they have heard once and run with it till the bitter end. They will learn at some point that being stubborn is stupid and costs you but they're too young and inexperienced to know or want to learn from others. Perhaps it's being fed garbage at school that makes short headlines so easy to digest, use and spread around their peer groups. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 12.40am

Spoke to an early 20's female graduate today. She has no economic background and certainly no understanding. Couldn't understand the demand and supply with regard to housing. Kept going on about the prices will crash because of leave. Tried to explain it to her but she didn't want to know or find out. She'd heard what she wanted to before.

Then it was '3 million jobs will be lost.' She didn't hear then that Chukka Umuna et al were called up on this that they would not 'be lost' but were 'linked to the EU.' When trying to explain these jobs were linked to the EU and would not be lost in 1 fail swoop she just didn't want to know. She almost put her hands over her ears to go la la la la.

This is what we're dealing with. Young people who know better, young people who go by what they have heard once and run with it till the bitter end. They will learn at some point that being stubborn is stupid and costs you but they're too young and inexperienced to know or want to learn from others. Perhaps it's being fed garbage at school that makes short headlines so easy to digest, use and spread around their peer groups.

COYP

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 1.11am
Originally posted by nickgusset I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap. I think you'll find that, this time next week, whatever Corbyn says or thinks will be completely irrelevant. And as that slipperiest of slippery b@stards Harold Wilson said, a week is a long time in politics. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 1.11am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I think you'll find that Corbyn has said we should follow the will of the people and invoke article 50 asap.

I think you'll find that, this time next week, whatever Corbyn says or thinks will be completely irrelevant. And as that slipperiest of slippery b@stards Harold Wilson said, a week is a long time in politics.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 1.14am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Spoke to an early 20's female graduate today. She has no economic background and certainly no understanding. Couldn't understand the demand and supply with regard to housing. Kept going on about the prices will crash because of leave. Tried to explain it to her but she didn't want to know or find out. She'd heard what she wanted to before. Then it was '3 million jobs will be lost.' She didn't hear then that Chukka Umuna et al were called up on this that they would not 'be lost' but were 'linked to the EU.' When trying to explain these jobs were linked to the EU and would not be lost in 1 fail swoop she just didn't want to know. She almost put her hands over her ears to go la la la la. This is what we're dealing with. Young people who know better, young people who go by what they have heard once and run with it till the bitter end. They will learn at some point that being stubborn is stupid and costs you but they're too young and inexperienced to know or want to learn from others. Perhaps it's being fed garbage at school that makes short headlines so easy to digest, use and spread around their peer groups. We really have sired a generation of thick cnts. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 1.14am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

We really have sired a generation of thick c*nts.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

SwalecliffeEagle Swalecliffe 27 Jun 16 4.17am
Originally posted by nickgusset Of course my love. The EU is a puppet organisation for corporate interests. Although it did a lot of good funding projects and creating some good, albeit not perfect, rules pertaining to working conditions I feel that these were mere fish thrown to us seals. In league with the IMF, through structural adjustment plans, the EU have formulated ways to give away national assets to corporate interests in Greece. They are architects of misery for millions of people. This is why I came very close to voting leave. My only worry now is that whoever is PM will impose heavier austerity using Brexit as an excuse. I note you, as usual,answered my question with a question. Will you now be a darling and answer mine. Edited by nickgusset (26 Jun 2016 7.29pm) This. A million times, this.

SwalecliffeEagle

Swalecliffe 27 Jun 16 4.17am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Of course my love.

The EU is a puppet organisation for corporate interests. Although it did a lot of good funding projects and creating some good, albeit not perfect, rules pertaining to working conditions I feel that these were mere fish thrown to us seals.

In league with the IMF, through structural adjustment plans, the EU have formulated ways to give away national assets to corporate interests in Greece. They are architects of misery for millions of people.

This is why I came very close to voting leave.

My only worry now is that whoever is PM will impose heavier austerity using Brexit as an excuse.

I note you, as usual,answered my question with a question. Will you now be a darling and answer mine.

Edited by nickgusset (26 Jun 2016 7.29pm)

This. A million times, this.

Jamesrichards8 27 Jun 16 5.21am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Spoke to an early 20's female graduate today. She has no economic background and certainly no understanding. Couldn't understand the demand and supply with regard to housing. Kept going on about the prices will crash because of leave. Tried to explain it to her but she didn't want to know or find out. She'd heard what she wanted to before. Then it was '3 million jobs will be lost.' She didn't hear then that Chukka Umuna et al were called up on this that they would not 'be lost' but were 'linked to the EU.' When trying to explain these jobs were linked to the EU and would not be lost in 1 fail swoop she just didn't want to know. She almost put her hands over her ears to go la la la la. This is what we're dealing with. Young people who know better, young people who go by what they have heard once and run with it till the bitter end. They will learn at some point that being stubborn is stupid and costs you but they're too young and inexperienced to know or want to learn from others. Perhaps it's being fed garbage at school that makes short headlines so easy to digest, use and spread around their peer groups. Agreed. I'm 20 but I dont consider myself a mindless, sensationalist simpleton like the majority of my generation is. I've noticed for some time now, with my peers, there is no critical thinking, everything is sound- bites. If it sounds logical at first glance, and can be made into a Facebook article, it is blindly followed. I blame the internet When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...

Jamesrichards8

27 Jun 16 5.21am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Agreed. I'm 20 but I dont consider myself a mindless, sensationalist simpleton like the majority of my generation is. I've noticed for some time now, with my peers, there is no critical thinking, everything is sound- bites. If it sounds logical at first glance, and can be made into a Facebook article, it is blindly followed. I blame the internet

When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...

Kermit8 Hevon 27 Jun 16 8.08am
So my sis was in a restaurant in Northern France - Rouen, possibly - last night but who should be there also? Nigel F. Put her right off her more expensive than last Wednesday meal it did. Shouldn't he be in Blighty helping to steer the ship with some calming words and positive actions instead of spending his dosh abroad? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 27 Jun 16 8.08am

So my sis was in a restaurant in Northern France - Rouen, possibly - last night but who should be there also? Nigel F. Put her right off her more expensive than last Wednesday meal it did.

Shouldn't he be in Blighty helping to steer the ship with some calming words and positive actions instead of spending his dosh abroad?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

johnno42000 27 Jun 16 8.42am
[Link] If you have the time this is an interesting (and quite worrying) read. I've heard similar views down here where immigration is virtually non-existent. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

27 Jun 16 8.42am

[Link]

If you have the time this is an interesting (and quite worrying) read. I've heard similar views down here where immigration is virtually non-existent.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

matt_himself Matataland 27 Jun 16 8.49am
Originally posted by Kermit8 So my sis was in a restaurant in Northern France - Rouen, possibly - last night but who should be there also? Nigel F. Put her right off her more expensive than last Wednesday meal it did. Shouldn't he be in Blighty helping to steer the ship with some calming words and positive actions instead of spending his dosh abroad? He has done his bit. The Westminister elite want him out of the picture for doing what he has done. He is doing the right thing. Keep grasping for those straws, Michael. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 27 Jun 16 8.49am

Originally posted by Kermit8

So my sis was in a restaurant in Northern France - Rouen, possibly - last night but who should be there also? Nigel F. Put her right off her more expensive than last Wednesday meal it did.

Shouldn't he be in Blighty helping to steer the ship with some calming words and positive actions instead of spending his dosh abroad?

He has done his bit. The Westminister elite want him out of the picture for doing what he has done.

He is doing the right thing.

Keep grasping for those straws, Michael.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Part Time James 27 Jun 16 8.55am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Spoke to an early 20's female graduate today. She has no economic background and certainly no understanding. Couldn't understand the demand and supply with regard to housing. Kept going on about the prices will crash because of leave. Tried to explain it to her but she didn't want to know or find out. She'd heard what she wanted to before. Then it was '3 million jobs will be lost.' She didn't hear then that Chukka Umuna et al were called up on this that they would not 'be lost' but were 'linked to the EU.' When trying to explain these jobs were linked to the EU and would not be lost in 1 fail swoop she just didn't want to know. She almost put her hands over her ears to go la la la la. This is what we're dealing with. Young people who know better, young people who go by what they have heard once and run with it till the bitter end. They will learn at some point that being stubborn is stupid and costs you but they're too young and inexperienced to know or want to learn from others. Perhaps it's being fed garbage at school that makes short headlines so easy to digest, use and spread around their peer groups. A friend of mine was telling me at the weekend that she had to make a complaint to her daughter's school because the teachers had been telling all the children that if you vote UKIP you are a racist. If that's the teacher's belief (personally I don't buy into that one iota) then really that ought not to be fed to children who look up to teachers like their word is Gospel.

Part Time James

27 Jun 16 8.55am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

This is what we're dealing with. Young people who know better, young people who go by what they have heard once and run with it till the bitter end. They will learn at some point that being stubborn is stupid and costs you but they're too young and inexperienced to know or want to learn from others. Perhaps it's being fed garbage at school that makes short headlines so easy to digest, use and spread around their peer groups.

A friend of mine was telling me at the weekend that she had to make a complaint to her daughter's school because the teachers had been telling all the children that if you vote UKIP you are a racist. If that's the teacher's belief (personally I don't buy into that one iota) then really that ought not to be fed to children who look up to teachers like their word is Gospel.

DivingIsNotGood se25 27 Jun 16 9.07am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt We really have sired a generation of thick c*nts. There has always been a percentage of people that lack common sense, but let's face it, we have an age of idiots that lack general common sense! Years ago young city traders would have about six conversations on the go at any one time while doing mental arithmetic. Nowadays this same generation lets the software do the talking. They are barely able to tie their shoelaces, especially if it's while deciding to get a cafe latte or mochaccino! They all seem to have 400 exams yet cannot cross the road unless it's at a pelican crossing, just unable to do two things at once. The adult generation is partly to blame with Mum & Dad providing lifts everywhere, the bank of dad giving them a year out. I actually believe the majority of vote IN voters lack common sense and are oblivious to the favour we have done them. VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 27 Jun 16 9.07am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

We really have sired a generation of thick c*nts.

There has always been a percentage of people that lack common sense, but let's face it, we have an age of idiots that lack general common sense!

Years ago young city traders would have about six conversations on the go at any one time while doing mental arithmetic. Nowadays this same generation lets the software do the talking. They are barely able to tie their shoelaces, especially if it's while deciding to get a cafe latte or mochaccino!
They all seem to have 400 exams yet cannot cross the road unless it's at a pelican crossing, just unable to do two things at once.

The adult generation is partly to blame with Mum & Dad providing lifts everywhere, the bank of dad giving them a year out.

I actually believe the majority of vote IN voters lack common sense and are oblivious to the favour we have done them.

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

Mapletree Croydon 27 Jun 16 9.12am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Boris in the Telegraph 'I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be' [Link] Might calm some of the pant wetters. Here's the key bit IMO at the end. I believe that this climate of apprehension is understandable, given what people were told during the campaign, but based on a profound misunderstanding about what has really taken place. At home and abroad, the negative consequences are being wildly overdone, and the upside is being ignored. The stock market is way above its level of last autumn; the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014. The economy is in good hands. Most sensible people can see that Bank of England governor Mark Carney has done a superb job – and now that the referendum is over, he will be able to continue his work without being in the political firing-line. Thanks in large part to the reforms put in place by David Cameron and George Osborne, the fundamentals of the UK economy are outstandingly strong – a dynamic and outward-looking economy with an ever-improving skills base, and with a big lead in some of the key growth sectors of the 21st century. We should be incredibly proud and positive about the UK, and what it can now achieve. And we will achieve those things together, with all four nations united. We had one Scotland referendum in 2014, and I do not detect any real appetite to have another one soon; and it goes without saying that we are much better together in forging a new and better relationship with the EU – based on free trade and partnership, rather than a federal system. I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer. The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK. Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden. There is every cause for optimism; a Britain rebooted, reset, renewed and able to engage with the whole world. This was a seismic campaign whose lessons must be learnt by politicians at home and abroad. We heard the voices of millions of the forgotten people, who have seen no real increase in their incomes, while FTSE-100 chiefs now earn 150 times the average pay of their employees. We must pursue actively the one-nation policies that are among David Cameron’s fine legacy, such as his campaigns on the Living Wage and Life Chances. There is no doubt that many were speaking up for themselves. But they were also speaking up for democracy, and the verdict of history will be that the British people got it right. Said this before and I will say it again If we continue to be a part of the European Single Market the thing most people voted against here - free movement of labour within Europe - will still be with us.

Mapletree

Croydon 27 Jun 16 9.12am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Boris in the Telegraph 'I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be'

[Link]

Might calm some of the pant wetters. Here's the key bit IMO at the end.

The economy is in good hands. Most sensible people can see that Bank of England governor Mark Carney has done a superb job – and now that the referendum is over, he will be able to continue his work without being in the political firing-line. Thanks in large part to the reforms put in place by David Cameron and George Osborne, the fundamentals of the UK economy are outstandingly strong – a dynamic and outward-looking economy with an ever-improving skills base, and with a big lead in some of the key growth sectors of the 21st century.

We should be incredibly proud and positive about the UK, and what it can now achieve. And we will achieve those things together, with all four nations united. We had one Scotland referendum in 2014, and I do not detect any real appetite to have another one soon; and it goes without saying that we are much better together in forging a new and better relationship with the EU – based on free trade and partnership, rather than a federal system.

I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer.

The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country – to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK.

Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden.

There is every cause for optimism; a Britain rebooted, reset, renewed and able to engage with the whole world. This was a seismic campaign whose lessons must be learnt by politicians at home and abroad. We heard the voices of millions of the forgotten people, who have seen no real increase in their incomes, while FTSE-100 chiefs now earn 150 times the average pay of their employees. We must pursue actively the one-nation policies that are among David Cameron’s fine legacy, such as his campaigns on the Living Wage and Life Chances. There is no doubt that many were speaking up for themselves.

But they were also speaking up for democracy, and the verdict of history will be that the British people got it right.

Said this before and I will say it again

If we continue to be a part of the European Single Market the thing most people voted against here - free movement of labour within Europe - will still be with us.

Mapletree Croydon 27 Jun 16 9.15am
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood There has always been a percentage of people that lack common sense, but let's face it, we have an age of idiots that lack general common sense! Years ago young city traders would have about six conversations on the go at any one time while doing mental arithmetic. Nowadays this same generation lets the software do the talking. They are barely able to tie their shoelaces, especially if it's while deciding to get a cafe latte or mochaccino! They all seem to have 400 exams yet cannot cross the road unless it's at a pelican crossing, just unable to do two things at once. The adult generation is partly to blame with Mum & Dad providing lifts everywhere, the bank of dad giving them a year out. I actually believe the majority of vote IN voters lack common sense and are oblivious to the favour we have done them. I think these attitudes are very telling. You can't trust anyone other than your own generation to make sensible decisions, everyone else are 'thick cnts'. The skills needed in society change very rapidly, try challenging those 'thick cnts' in who can write the most effective spreadsheet. Or who can kill the most people by effective drone flying if you are of a militaristic nature. Or who can mine and collate the largest amount of information the quickest. Edited by Mapletree (27 Jun 2016 9.17am)

Mapletree

Croydon 27 Jun 16 9.15am

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

There has always been a percentage of people that lack common sense, but let's face it, we have an age of idiots that lack general common sense!

The adult generation is partly to blame with Mum & Dad providing lifts everywhere, the bank of dad giving them a year out.

I actually believe the majority of vote IN voters lack common sense and are oblivious to the favour we have done them.

I think these attitudes are very telling. You can't trust anyone other than your own generation to make sensible decisions, everyone else are 'thick c*nts'.

The skills needed in society change very rapidly, try challenging those 'thick c*nts' in who can write the most effective spreadsheet. Or who can kill the most people by effective drone flying if you are of a militaristic nature. Or who can mine and collate the largest amount of information the quickest.

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jun 2016 9.17am)

DivingIsNotGood se25 27 Jun 16 9.27am
Originally posted by Mapletree I think these attitudes are very telling. You can't trust anyone other than your own generation to make sensible decisions, everyone else are 'thick cnts'. The skills needed in society change very rapidly, try challenging those 'thick cnts' in who can write the most effective spreadsheet. Or who can kill the most people by effective drone flying if you are of a militaristic nature. Or who can mine and collate the largest amount of information the quickest. Edited by Mapletree (27 Jun 2016 9.17am) Good analogy but writing excel formulas is straight forward and is in fact just a case of learning a new language. Excel formulas follow practical logic, like IF formulas. My point rather is, the common sense I talk about, is that the younger generation are unable to think on their feet as mum and dad have done everything for them. They cannot visualise change well as it confuses their mind, only able to concentrate on one thing at a time. If you put them inside a derelict dilapidated house and said, this room will have freshly plastered walls, oak floors and so on, they would struggle to visualise it. Not all of them, but a majority. Edited by DivingIsNotGood (27 Jun 2016 9.27am) VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 27 Jun 16 9.27am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I think these attitudes are very telling. You can't trust anyone other than your own generation to make sensible decisions, everyone else are 'thick c*nts'.

Edited by Mapletree (27 Jun 2016 9.17am)

Good analogy but writing excel formulas is straight forward and is in fact just a case of learning a new language. Excel formulas follow practical logic, like IF formulas.

My point rather is, the common sense I talk about, is that the younger generation are unable to think on their feet as mum and dad have done everything for them.
They cannot visualise change well as it confuses their mind, only able to concentrate on one thing at a time.

If you put them inside a derelict dilapidated house and said, this room will have freshly plastered walls, oak floors and so on, they would struggle to visualise it. Not all of them, but a majority.

Edited by DivingIsNotGood (27 Jun 2016 9.27am)

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 9.35am
Originally posted by nickgusset Again Matthew, you are making suppositions. Your postings this evening have had the Gusset household in hysterics. No hate here. The question was: Explain how the future is better for us (and I'm going to be a bit cheeky if that's alright and add a bit to it) given the fact that the mother of all parliaments seems to have imploded somewhat? Edited by nickgusset (26 Jun 2016 7.50pm) Still waiting Matthew...

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 9.35am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Again Matthew, you are making suppositions. Your postings this evening have had the Gusset household in hysterics. No hate here.
The question was:
Explain how the future is better for us (and I'm going to be a bit cheeky if that's alright and add a bit to it) given the fact that the mother of all parliaments seems to have imploded somewhat?

Edited by nickgusset (26 Jun 2016 7.50pm)

Still waiting Matthew...

matt_himself Matataland 27 Jun 16 9.49am
Originally posted by nickgusset Still waiting Matthew... The meltdown continues... Your question is nonsense. Parliament will sort itself out and, as I have said repeatedly, I believe a deal will be done with the EU and a second referendum held in the next 12 to 18 months. You know my reasons for voting leave, you even agreed with them. Now stop picking fights and then complaining about the outcome of those fights. Edited by matt_himself (27 Jun 2016 9.49am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 27 Jun 16 9.49am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Still waiting Matthew...

The meltdown continues...

Your question is nonsense. Parliament will sort itself out and, as I have said repeatedly, I believe a deal will be done with the EU and a second referendum held in the next 12 to 18 months.

You know my reasons for voting leave, you even agreed with them.

Now stop picking fights and then complaining about the outcome of those fights.

Edited by matt_himself (27 Jun 2016 9.49am)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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