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OknotOK Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 9.54am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Boris in the Telegraph 'I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be' [Link] Might calm some of the pant wetters. Here's the key bit IMO at the end. The stock market is way above its level of last autumn; the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014. Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden. Even now he can't stop lying! It's like it is literally built into his DNA. GBP:USD is currently 1.3352. That is the lowest level this millennium. The government will seek access to the single market, as Dan Hannan and others stated this weekend, which will mean accepting free movement. So no points-based system for EU migration. And he's on about putting the £350m to the NHS again which was possibly the biggest lie of the lot! Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 9.57am) "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

OknotOK

Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 9.54am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Boris in the Telegraph 'I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be'

[Link]

Might calm some of the pant wetters. Here's the key bit IMO at the end.

The stock market is way above its level of last autumn; the pound remains higher than it was in 2013 and 2014.

Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry. Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which could be used on priorities such as the NHS. Yes, we will be able to do free trade deals with the growth economies of the world in a way that is currently forbidden.

Even now he can't stop lying! It's like it is literally built into his DNA.

GBP:USD is currently 1.3352. That is the lowest level this millennium.

The government will seek access to the single market, as Dan Hannan and others stated this weekend, which will mean accepting free movement. So no points-based system for EU migration.

And he's on about putting the £350m to the NHS again which was possibly the biggest lie of the lot!

Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 9.57am)

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 10.20am
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood Good analogy but writing excel formulas is straight forward and is in fact just a case of learning a new language. Excel formulas follow practical logic, like IF formulas. My point rather is, the common sense I talk about, is that the younger generation are unable to think on their feet as mum and dad have done everything for them. They cannot visualise change well as it confuses their mind, only able to concentrate on one thing at a time. If you put them inside a derelict dilapidated house and said, this room will have freshly plastered walls, oak floors and so on, they would struggle to visualise it. Not all of them, but a majority. Edited by DivingIsNotGood (27 Jun 2016 9.27am) They won't have heard of lateral thinking. Quick on a smartphone though. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 10.32am) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 10.20am

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Good analogy but writing excel formulas is straight forward and is in fact just a case of learning a new language. Excel formulas follow practical logic, like IF formulas.

My point rather is, the common sense I talk about, is that the younger generation are unable to think on their feet as mum and dad have done everything for them.
They cannot visualise change well as it confuses their mind, only able to concentrate on one thing at a time.

If you put them inside a derelict dilapidated house and said, this room will have freshly plastered walls, oak floors and so on, they would struggle to visualise it. Not all of them, but a majority.

Edited by DivingIsNotGood (27 Jun 2016 9.27am)

They won't have heard of lateral thinking.

Quick on a smartphone though.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 10.32am)

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 10.30am
Originally posted by OknotOK Even now he can't stop lying! It's like it is literally built into his DNA. GBP:USD is currently 1.3352. That is the lowest level this millennium. The government will seek access to the single market, as Dan Hannan and others stated this weekend, which will mean accepting free movement. So no points-based system for EU migration. And he's on about putting the £350m to the NHS again which was possibly the biggest lie of the lot! Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 9.57am) The pound vs euro is higher than most of 2103/14. It rallied above the current level at the end of 2014. With the dollar you're far more correct than Boris. It's a couple of cents lower than 2008. Is it a double bottom/bottom of a range? We'll wait and see. The DAX and CAC have taken bigger hits, have General Elections next year and rely on the UK to continue to be their biggest EU buyer of goods. we have leverage. Needs someone with more of a spine than turncoat David West Ham Villa Cameron. People are missing the phrasing of possibilities of the money. 'Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which COULD BE USED ON priorities such as the NHS.' Farage even said this 30 seconds after admitting it wasn't definitely going to be spent on the NHS, something he can't ever decide anyway. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 10.30am

Originally posted by OknotOK

Even now he can't stop lying! It's like it is literally built into his DNA.

GBP:USD is currently 1.3352. That is the lowest level this millennium.

The government will seek access to the single market, as Dan Hannan and others stated this weekend, which will mean accepting free movement. So no points-based system for EU migration.

And he's on about putting the £350m to the NHS again which was possibly the biggest lie of the lot!

Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 9.57am)

The pound vs euro is higher than most of 2103/14. It rallied above the current level at the end of 2014. With the dollar you're far more correct than Boris. It's a couple of cents lower than 2008. Is it a double bottom/bottom of a range? We'll wait and see. The DAX and CAC have taken bigger hits, have General Elections next year and rely on the UK to continue to be their biggest EU buyer of goods. we have leverage. Needs someone with more of a spine than turncoat David West Ham Villa Cameron.

People are missing the phrasing of possibilities of the money.

'Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which COULD BE USED ON priorities such as the NHS.'

Farage even said this 30 seconds after admitting it wasn't definitely going to be spent on the NHS, something he can't ever decide anyway.

COYP

OknotOK Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 10.43am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The pound vs euro is higher than most of 2103/14. It rallied above the current level at the end of 2014. With the dollar you're far more correct than Boris. It's a couple of cents lower than 2008. Is it a double bottom/bottom of a range? We'll wait and see. The DAX and CAC have taken bigger hits, have General Elections next year and rely on the UK to continue to be their biggest EU buyer of goods. we have leverage. Needs someone with more of a spine than turncoat David West Ham Villa Cameron. People are missing the phrasing of possibilities of the money. 'Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which COULD BE USED ON priorities such as the NHS.' Farage even said this 30 seconds after admitting it wasn't definitely going to be spent on the NHS, something he can't ever decide anyway. Access to the single market does not have free movement as a negotiable construct. It is a necessity. It won't matter if it's David Cameron, Boris Johnson, or Bruce Willis* negotiating. I'm not missing the phrasing. I'm deliberately noticing that it has gone from a commitment to spend the £350m (a false number in the first place) on the NHS to a remote possibility and he's still trying to imply we still will spend the money on the NHS when he knows full well it will not be. *I have no idea why I chose Bruce Willis. It was just the first name that came into my head. Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 10.44am) "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

OknotOK

Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 10.43am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

People are missing the phrasing of possibilities of the money.

'Yes, there will be a substantial sum of money which we will no longer send to Brussels, but which COULD BE USED ON priorities such as the NHS.'

Farage even said this 30 seconds after admitting it wasn't definitely going to be spent on the NHS, something he can't ever decide anyway.

Access to the single market does not have free movement as a negotiable construct. It is a necessity. It won't matter if it's David Cameron, Boris Johnson, or Bruce Willis* negotiating.

I'm not missing the phrasing. I'm deliberately noticing that it has gone from a commitment to spend the £350m (a false number in the first place) on the NHS to a remote possibility and he's still trying to imply we still will spend the money on the NHS when he knows full well it will not be.

*I have no idea why I chose Bruce Willis. It was just the first name that came into my head.

Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 10.44am)

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 16 10.53am
Originally posted by OknotOK Access to the single market does not have free movement as a negotiable construct. It is a necessity. It won't matter if it's David Cameron, Boris Johnson, or Bruce Willis* negotiating. I'm not missing the phrasing. I'm deliberately noticing that it has gone from a commitment to spend the £350m (a false number in the first place) on the NHS to a remote possibility and he's still trying to imply we still will spend the money on the NHS when he knows full well it will not be. *I have no idea why I chose Bruce Willis. It was just the first name that came into my head. Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 10.44am) With respect I never viewed this as a "Commitment" - any such decisions are made by the Government of the day. Michael Gove specifically said that only by voting for "Brexit" can additional sums currently sent to the EU be diverted to the NHS and VAT on energy bills reduced as this is imposed by Brussels. Brexit campaign weren't writing a manifesto.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 16 10.53am

Originally posted by OknotOK

Access to the single market does not have free movement as a negotiable construct. It is a necessity. It won't matter if it's David Cameron, Boris Johnson, or Bruce Willis* negotiating.

*I have no idea why I chose Bruce Willis. It was just the first name that came into my head.

Edited by OknotOK (27 Jun 2016 10.44am)

With respect I never viewed this as a "Commitment" - any such decisions are made by the Government of the day.
Michael Gove specifically said that only by voting for "Brexit" can additional sums currently sent to the EU be diverted to the NHS and VAT on energy bills reduced as this is imposed by Brussels.
Brexit campaign weren't writing a manifesto.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 10.54am
Originally posted by OknotOK Access to the single market does not have free movement as a negotiable construct. It is a necessity. It won't matter if it's David Cameron, Boris Johnson, or Bruce Willis* negotiating. I'm not missing the phrasing. I'm deliberately noticing that it has gone from a commitment to spend the £350m (a false number in the first place) on the NHS to a remote possibility and he's still trying to imply we still will spend the money on the NHS when he knows full well it will not be. I have no idea why I chose Bruce Willis. It was just the first name that came into my head. I said people. You're claiming the lie a bit less than the sulkers out there. However, the bus said: 'We send the EU £350mil per week.' 'Let's fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave.' It doesn't say by how much fund the NHS. It was also said during the campaign, as Boris and Farage have said, that there are also other areas that need assistance. Schools etc. There will also be calls from some areas losing EU funding (that is incidentally equally matched by the UK). The £350mil is a gross figure which is under review in 2020. Quite a few of the EU members do not like our rebate and want it scrapped. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 10.56am) COYP*

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 10.54am

Originally posted by OknotOK

Access to the single market does not have free movement as a negotiable construct. It is a necessity. It won't matter if it's David Cameron, Boris Johnson, or Bruce Willis* negotiating.

*I have no idea why I chose Bruce Willis. It was just the first name that came into my head.

I said people. You're claiming the lie a bit less than the sulkers out there. However, the bus said:

'We send the EU £350mil per week.'

'Let's fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave.'

It doesn't say by how much fund the NHS.

It was also said during the campaign, as Boris and Farage have said, that there are also other areas that need assistance. Schools etc. There will also be calls from some areas losing EU funding (that is incidentally equally matched by the UK).

The £350mil is a gross figure which is under review in 2020. Quite a few of the EU members do not like our rebate and want it scrapped.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 10.56am)

COYP

Hoof Hearted 27 Jun 16 11.00am
Originally posted by Mapletree I am not stupid Price rises are driven by other factors than the supply of the good. The availability of credit being a particular driver for London house prices. My children don't whine and aren't spoilt I have had more hardship in my life than you other than your health issues I eat home made sandwiches for my lunch still. I have never taken my full allocation of holiday and work 7 day, 70 hour weeks. I have a go at you and your ilk as you come across as 'I'm all right Jack'. Your lack of empathy is spectacular. You may not be stupid but your emotional intelligence clearly is low. My kids will make their own way. It is a shame that looks increasingly like it won't be in the UK as the opportunities shrink. You are stupid if you claim to know you have definitely suffered more setbacks/hardship than anyone on here, let alone me! This is a message board/forum. You can be certain about your own circumstances, but guessing about others - you are no better at that than you are about predicting our financial future. Clueless.

Hoof Hearted 27 Jun 16 11.00am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am not stupid

Price rises are driven by other factors than the supply of the good. The availability of credit being a particular driver for London house prices.

My children don't whine and aren't spoilt

I have had more hardship in my life than you other than your health issues

I eat home made sandwiches for my lunch still. I have never taken my full allocation of holiday and work 7 day, 70 hour weeks.

I have a go at you and your ilk as you come across as 'I'm all right Jack'. Your lack of empathy is spectacular. You may not be stupid but your emotional intelligence clearly is low.

My kids will make their own way. It is a shame that looks increasingly like it won't be in the UK as the opportunities shrink.

You are stupid if you claim to know you have definitely suffered more setbacks/hardship than anyone on here, let alone me!

This is a message board/forum.

You can be certain about your own circumstances, but guessing about others - you are no better at that than you are about predicting our financial future.

Clueless.

Hrolf The Ganger 27 Jun 16 11.11am
I despair at the left wing, pro Remain media, and that includes the BBC, now charging the Brexit camp with lying in their campaign and reneging on promises. As if the Remains were not guilty of the same tactics. Where it comes to the free movement of labour and other matters that really concern the man in the street, it is up to people to make sure politicians do what is right thing for the majority of the people and not corporations, not just minorities and not themselves. None of the parties can be trusted and a stronger form of activism might be required to keep them honest.We must make leaving the EU mean something and not just allow Westminster to let the same conditions prevail outside of the EU. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 11.11am)

Hrolf The Ganger

27 Jun 16 11.11am

I despair at the left wing, pro Remain media, and that includes the BBC, now charging the Brexit camp with lying in their campaign and reneging on promises.
As if the Remains were not guilty of the same tactics.

Where it comes to the free movement of labour and other matters that really concern the man in the street, it is up to people to make sure politicians do what is right thing for the majority of the people and not corporations, not just minorities and not themselves.

None of the parties can be trusted and a stronger form of activism might be required to keep them honest.We must make leaving the EU mean something and not just allow Westminster to let the same conditions prevail outside of the EU.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 11.11am)

Hoof Hearted 27 Jun 16 11.11am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Like in 1975 when the we thought the EEC was a common trading platform, not the beginnings of a European Super State? I don't know about you, but I voted in 1975 and we were all hoodwinked! I'll bet you don't respond to this! What a shame there wasn't a bookmaker to to take this bet..... could have made another few bob. Am I on your Ignore list Michael? Perhaps you ought to "defriend" me whilst you're in this childish mood! :'(

Hoof Hearted 27 Jun 16 11.11am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Like in 1975 when the we thought the EEC was a common trading platform, not the beginnings of a European Super State?

I don't know about you, but I voted in 1975 and we were all hoodwinked!

I'll bet you don't respond to this!

What a shame there wasn't a bookmaker to to take this bet..... could have made another few bob.

Am I on your Ignore list Michael?

Perhaps you ought to "defriend" me whilst you're in this childish mood!

:'(

DivingIsNotGood se25 27 Jun 16 11.15am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I despair at the left wing, pro Remain media, and that includes the BBC, now charging the Brexit camp with lying in their campaign and reneging on promises. As if the Remains were not guilty of the same tactics. Where it comes to the free movement of labour and other matters that really concern the man in the street, it is up to people to make sure politicians do what is right thing for the majority of the people and not corporations, not just minorities and not themselves. None of the parties can be trusted and a stronger form of activism might be required to keep them honest.We must make leaving the EU mean something and not just allow Westminster to let the same conditions prevail outside of the EU. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 11.11am) Big problem, the entire media BBC, Sky, Ch4 all remainers VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 27 Jun 16 11.15am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 11.11am)

Big problem, the entire media BBC, Sky, Ch4 all remainers

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 11.16am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I despair at the left wing, pro Remain media, and that includes the BBC, now charging the Brexit camp with lying in their campaign and reneging on promises. As if the Remains were not guilty of the same tactics. No punishing emergency budget then, George? Staying in your position as well? Note: I don't necessarily want him out, yet. He knows the workings of the job for the meantime. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 11.16am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No punishing emergency budget then, George? Staying in your position as well?

Note: I don't necessarily want him out, yet. He knows the workings of the job for the meantime.

COYP

OknotOK Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 11.17am
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood Big problem, the entire media BBC, Sky, Ch4 all remainers The Telegraph, the Sun, the Mail, the Star..... oh wait.... "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

OknotOK

Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 11.17am

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Big problem, the entire media BBC, Sky, Ch4 all remainers

The Telegraph, the Sun, the Mail, the Star..... oh wait....

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

Kermit8 Hevon 27 Jun 16 11.17am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted What a shame there wasn't a bookmaker to to take this bet..... could have made another few bob. Am I on your Ignore list Michael? Perhaps you ought to "defriend" me whilst you're in this childish mood! :'( er...I was 10 when you voted in 1975. If you let yourself be hoodwinked then more fool you. Not quite sure how you were though. Maastricht was 17 years away. Even Thatch voted 'in' back then. Speaking of 10. Grow up you old fool. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 27 Jun 16 11.17am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

What a shame there wasn't a bookmaker to to take this bet..... could have made another few bob.

Am I on your Ignore list Michael?

Perhaps you ought to "defriend" me whilst you're in this childish mood!

:'(

er...I was 10 when you voted in 1975. If you let yourself be hoodwinked then more fool you. Not quite sure how you were though. Maastricht was 17 years away. Even Thatch voted 'in' back then.

Speaking of 10.

Grow up you old fool.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

OknotOK Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 11.21am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I said people. You're claiming the lie a bit less than the sulkers out there. However, the bus said: 'We send the EU £350mil per week.' 'Let's fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave.' It doesn't say by how much fund the NHS. It was also said during the campaign, as Boris and Farage have said, that there are also other areas that need assistance. Schools etc. There will also be calls from some areas losing EU funding (that is incidentally equally matched by the UK). The £350mil is a gross figure which is under review in 2020. Quite a few of the EU members do not like our rebate and want it scrapped. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 10.56am) Scrapping the rebate would only have been possible with our agreement. I don't think the Leave campaign in any way monopolised the position of lying in this campaign. Remain lied to create scaremongering scenarios, Leave lied to create fantasy funny money and immigration policies that were never going to come to fruition. I was more disappointed than I expected with the Leave vote, but I was never committed to either side. I don't think it is in the best financial interests of the country but I do believe the EU is a rotten organisation. But BoJo the Clown is backtracking and lying like his life depended on it. "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

OknotOK

Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 11.21am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I said people. You're claiming the lie a bit less than the sulkers out there. However, the bus said:

'We send the EU £350mil per week.'

'Let's fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave.'

It doesn't say by how much fund the NHS.

The £350mil is a gross figure which is under review in 2020. Quite a few of the EU members do not like our rebate and want it scrapped.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 10.56am)

Scrapping the rebate would only have been possible with our agreement.

I don't think the Leave campaign in any way monopolised the position of lying in this campaign. Remain lied to create scaremongering scenarios, Leave lied to create fantasy funny money and immigration policies that were never going to come to fruition.

I was more disappointed than I expected with the Leave vote, but I was never committed to either side. I don't think it is in the best financial interests of the country but I do believe the EU is a rotten organisation.

But BoJo the Clown is backtracking and lying like his life depended on it.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 11.39am
Originally posted by OknotOK Scrapping the rebate would only have been possible with our agreement. I don't think the Leave campaign in any way monopolised the position of lying in this campaign. Remain lied to create scaremongering scenarios, Leave lied to create fantasy funny money and immigration policies that were never going to come to fruition. I was more disappointed than I expected with the Leave vote, but I was never committed to either side. I don't think it is in the best financial interests of the country but I do believe the EU is a rotten organisation. But BoJo the Clown is backtracking and lying like his life depended on it. I don't know about us needing to agree on scrapping the rebate. Do you have any evidence? Agree on the lying but the losing side have conveniently forgotten. Can't really agree Boris is backtracking. Immigrants are welcome to stay as Brits will be welcome to stay where they are. We don't really know how the movement of people will pan out and visas and migration happened within parameters well before EU membership. Boris has mentioned freedom of movement for British people, possibly because he's referring to Western Europe whose economies rely on us to prevent recession and job losses just as much the other way round. There has been no mention of foreign movement of people/labour, anything. This is his quote, 'EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU. British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.' I think there may end up being free movement of EU labour with a job offer. This could achieve the quality of migration Gove always preferred, and satisfy the London remain vote, and I wouldn't have an issue with it apart from future housing issues, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the young remainers regret it when they spend several years struggling trying to get a job in a professional industry with competition from foreign candidates. But is also open to abuse. Template letters, copied letters, forged letters, agency letters, letters from zero hours employers. There will be so many ways to abuse this it'll be as useful as a sieve. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 11.47am) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 11.39am

Originally posted by OknotOK

Scrapping the rebate would only have been possible with our agreement.

But BoJo the Clown is backtracking and lying like his life depended on it.

I don't know about us needing to agree on scrapping the rebate. Do you have any evidence?

Agree on the lying but the losing side have conveniently forgotten.

Can't really agree Boris is backtracking. Immigrants are welcome to stay as Brits will be welcome to stay where they are. We don't really know how the movement of people will pan out and visas and migration happened within parameters well before EU membership. Boris has mentioned freedom of movement for British people, possibly because he's referring to Western Europe whose economies rely on us to prevent recession and job losses just as much the other way round. There has been no mention of foreign movement of people/labour, anything. This is his quote,

'EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market.'

I think there may end up being free movement of EU labour with a job offer. This could achieve the quality of migration Gove always preferred, and satisfy the London remain vote, and I wouldn't have an issue with it apart from future housing issues, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the young remainers regret it when they spend several years struggling trying to get a job in a professional industry with competition from foreign candidates.

But is also open to abuse. Template letters, copied letters, forged letters, agency letters, letters from zero hours employers. There will be so many ways to abuse this it'll be as useful as a sieve.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 11.47am)

COYP

Hoof Hearted 27 Jun 16 11.43am
Originally posted by Kermit8 er...I was 10 when you voted in 1975. If you let yourself be hoodwinked then more fool you. Not quite sure how you were though. Maastricht was 17 years away. Even Thatch voted 'in' back then. Speaking of 10. Grow up you old fool. But you were complaining about people being hoodwinked in this referendum and how unfair it was. I explained how everyone (including me and Thatcher) were hoodwinked into believing the true purpose of the EEC in 1975, but just as you do when arguing with Matt, you blatantly ignore, twist words or meanings etc... anything to deflect from admitting you are wrong. Telling the Country we were joining a small trading group of likeminded northern european countries rather than the beginnings of a political and economic federal union with the whole of Europe and beyond wasn't a little white lie it was blatant misrepresentation. You only replied now because I made you look a bit silly.. be honest you read my response yesterday and chose to ignore it. I may be an old fool, but in the last 6 months you have become a different person. Shame that, you used to amuse us all.

Hoof Hearted 27 Jun 16 11.43am

Originally posted by Kermit8

er...I was 10 when you voted in 1975. If you let yourself be hoodwinked then more fool you. Not quite sure how you were though. Maastricht was 17 years away. Even Thatch voted 'in' back then.

Speaking of 10.

Grow up you old fool.

But you were complaining about people being hoodwinked in this referendum and how unfair it was.

I explained how everyone (including me and Thatcher) were hoodwinked into believing the true purpose of the EEC in 1975, but just as you do when arguing with Matt, you blatantly ignore, twist words or meanings etc... anything to deflect from admitting you are wrong.

Telling the Country we were joining a small trading group of likeminded northern european countries rather than the beginnings of a political and economic federal union with the whole of Europe and beyond wasn't a little white lie it was blatant misrepresentation.

You only replied now because I made you look a bit silly.. be honest you read my response yesterday and chose to ignore it.

I may be an old fool, but in the last 6 months you have become a different person.

Shame that, you used to amuse us all.

OknotOK Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 11.43am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I don't know about us needing to agree on scrapping the rebate. Do you have any evidence? Agree on the lying but the losing side have conveniently forgotten. Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 11.41am) On the rebate: [Link] Quote But with the EU leaders required to approve the MFF unanimously, the UK could use its veto to stop the erosion of the rebate. On the lies, it doesn't matter what lies the Remain camp made up, because they lost! So their lies aren't really relevant any more. "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

OknotOK

Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 11.43am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I don't know about us needing to agree on scrapping the rebate. Do you have any evidence?

Agree on the lying but the losing side have conveniently forgotten.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (27 Jun 2016 11.41am)

On the rebate:
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But with the EU leaders required to approve the MFF unanimously, the UK could use its veto to stop the erosion of the rebate.

On the lies, it doesn't matter what lies the Remain camp made up, because they lost! So their lies aren't really relevant any more.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

Mapletree Croydon 27 Jun 16 11.52am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted You are stupid if you claim to know you have definitely suffered more setbacks/hardship than anyone on here, let alone me! This is a message board/forum. You can be certain about your own circumstances, but guessing about others - you are no better at that than you are about predicting our financial future. Clueless. a) Learn some economics b) Try me on a willy waving exercise about hardship

Mapletree

Croydon 27 Jun 16 11.52am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You are stupid if you claim to know you have definitely suffered more setbacks/hardship than anyone on here, let alone me!

This is a message board/forum.

You can be certain about your own circumstances, but guessing about others - you are no better at that than you are about predicting our financial future.

Clueless.

a) Learn some economics
b) Try me on a willy waving exercise about hardship

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jun 16 11.53am
Originally posted by OknotOK On the lies, it doesn't matter what lies the Remain camp made up, because they lost! So their lies aren't really relevant any more. It is true that the UK rebate is not set in the EU treaties. It is a settlement, negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984. The rebate reduced the UK contribution to the EU budget from more than 20% of the total in early 1980s to about 12% of the total now. The level of the UK rebate is decided every seven years, as part of the EU's long-term budget, the Multiannual Financial Framework (MFF), which is negotiated by the EU leaders. The long-term budget determines EU spending levels and priorities and it has to be approved unanimously by all 28 EU leaders. Last time, as part of the 2014-2020 budget negotiations, the UK rebate was preserved. It will remain in place in the current form until 2020. When the EU starts to negotiate the next MFF, the rebate will certainly be on the table again. Many other EU countries would like to see it scrapped or reduced. But with the EU leaders required to approve the MFF unanimously, the UK could use its veto to stop the erosion of the rebate. Reality Check verdict: He's right that the rebate is not a permanent feature of EU membership, but the UK has a veto over the process that would scrap or reduce it. Yet again, undemocratic. Although this is to our benefit, what is the point of something being put to a vote regarding one country's interests when that country can veto it anyway? A bit similar to the sulkers view of democracy, which is ironic in the extreme. They claim the referendum was undemocratic when the result was a vote to leave an undemocratic political organisation. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jun 16 11.53am

Originally posted by OknotOK

On the lies, it doesn't matter what lies the Remain camp made up, because they lost! So their lies aren't really relevant any more.

It is true that the UK rebate is not set in the EU treaties. It is a settlement, negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984. The rebate reduced the UK contribution to the EU budget from more than 20% of the total in early 1980s to about 12% of the total now.
The level of the UK rebate is decided every seven years, as part of the EU's long-term budget, the Multiannual Financial Framework (MFF), which is negotiated by the EU leaders.
The long-term budget determines EU spending levels and priorities and it has to be approved unanimously by all 28 EU leaders.
Last time, as part of the 2014-2020 budget negotiations, the UK rebate was preserved. It will remain in place in the current form until 2020.
When the EU starts to negotiate the next MFF, the rebate will certainly be on the table again. Many other EU countries would like to see it scrapped or reduced.
But with the EU leaders required to approve the MFF unanimously, the UK could use its veto to stop the erosion of the rebate.
Reality Check verdict: He's right that the rebate is not a permanent feature of EU membership, but the UK has a veto over the process that would scrap or reduce it.

Yet again, undemocratic. Although this is to our benefit, what is the point of something being put to a vote regarding one country's interests when that country can veto it anyway?

A bit similar to the sulkers view of democracy, which is ironic in the extreme. They claim the referendum was undemocratic when the result was a vote to leave an undemocratic political organisation.

COYP

OknotOK Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 11.58am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yet again, undemocratic. Although this is to our benefit, what is the point of something being put to a vote regarding one country's interests when that country can veto it anyway? A bit similar to the sulkers view of democracy, which is ironic in the extreme. They claim the referendum was undemocratic when the result was a vote to leave an undemocratic political organisation. I'm not denying the democractic deficit in the EU (although it is less than is claimed by the Brexit camp). I think the EU is rotten and was genuinely on the fence about in/out (although always suspected I would end up voting remain when faced with the paper in the polling booth). But reductions in the rebate were only going to happen if we agreed to it, rightly or wrongly. So we'd have to have got some pretty spectacular concessions to give it up. "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

OknotOK

Cockfosters, London 27 Jun 16 11.58am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yet again, undemocratic. Although this is to our benefit, what is the point of something being put to a vote regarding one country's interests when that country can veto it anyway?

A bit similar to the sulkers view of democracy, which is ironic in the extreme. They claim the referendum was undemocratic when the result was a vote to leave an undemocratic political organisation.

I'm not denying the democractic deficit in the EU (although it is less than is claimed by the Brexit camp). I think the EU is rotten and was genuinely on the fence about in/out (although always suspected I would end up voting remain when faced with the paper in the polling booth).

But reductions in the rebate were only going to happen if we agreed to it, rightly or wrongly. So we'd have to have got some pretty spectacular concessions to give it up.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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