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bright&wright Flag 23 Jun 14 10.07pm

Radical pro-terrorist organisation Unite Against Fascism are the new Nazi's.

If you are white and English they will try to make you feel guilty and ashamed of being so, they despise our armed forces, hate the Jews and try to use violence and intimidation to crush any opposition. They fight for freedom of speech - as long as you agree with them. If not, you are scum.

What's more Nazi than that?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 14 10.22pm

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Gusset - I asked a few pages ago for evidence that the Saudi's have used chemical weapons against their own people or massacred great swathes of the population to ensure the hegemony prevails. I am still waiting for an answer.

On this subject, what about your comrades in the peoples paradises of China, North Korea and Cuba? Plenty of repression going on there.

1987, Mecca pilgrimage is the one that springs to mind. However the Saudi state has long supported the arrest, torture, secret trial and execution of Ismaili muslims.

Whilst arguably not on a scale comparable to the Iraqi regime, Saudi Arabia is a notoriously oppressive regime heavily criticised for secret trials, imprisonment of dissidents, oppression of women, secret and public executions etc.

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Hardly a place worth defending.



It is fairly laughable that you are using the 1987 riots as an example. It is incredibly contentious to say it was a massacre and it was largely as the result of Iranian pilgrims protests, so not falling into the bracket at all of putting down a civil uprising. That doesn't make it right.

I am not defending Saudi Arabia, I am rebutting Gussets arguments which are cyclical and without much substance. He just keeps repeating whatever the SWP banners say at whatever march he has been on recently.


dont be a cock matt. I have no tranche with the SWP.
You still haven't answered my question. Do you think that the invasion of Iraq has exacerbated problems here regarding extremists.


Erm, you do. You support TUSC and members of TUSC's consist of 'representatives of the SWP'. You are part of the same family.

I don't recall this question but will answer as follows: extremist movements in the Middle East. They are are adapt at moving from places such as the Lebanon/Israel border, Helmand, the tribal pakistani regions and Yemen fairly easily. Normally they are chased out and find safe haven in other places and continue their political aims.

What we are seeing in Iraq is the mobilisation of extremists who have had experience of combat in many territories and have found a cause in which they can fight where the resistance to them is weak.

Unfortunately, extremist groups have been on a war footing since the mid-nineties but have truely been outcasts from the West and other governments since 9/11. They are agile, skilled, well funded and have an ability to make uneasy peace with locals by subsidising food, water and fuel in the areas they working in and as a result of his, can bunker down in areas which makes the difficult to move.

Would they have been operating successfully in Iraq if Saddam was still in change? My gut reactions not as successful but would still be able to campaign against the Iraqi army effectively. By now, the Iraqi army would have been equipped with far less modern weapons, would be manned by many people who are sympathic to ISIS aims and would face experienced fighters pouring in from neighbouring territories fresh from battle.

Do I think the invasion has exacerbated problems in Iraq regarding extremists? I think it has made them easier to operate but you cannot blame the invasion of Iraq for the multitude of experience fighters doing he rounds in the Middle East at the moment. Afghanistan, pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Israel/'Palestine', Libya and the Arab Spring have created a new level of instability, a new class of political fighter and new opportunities for groups to instigate combat in any territory in the Arab/Israeli World, as most face poorly equipped and managed Armies, notably Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Israel and Qatar apart.

A good answer matt. But I asked whether the invasion of Iraq and what followed has exacerbated extremism here.
As for the TUSC, I've never said I supported them, merely highlighted them as an alternative. however, I do agree with a lot of their aims.
As far as I'm concerned, the SWP lost all credibility with the rape allegation fiasco.


Edited by nickgusset (23 Jun 2014 11.20pm)

 
Kermit8 Flag Hevon 23 Jun 14 10.26pm

And here are the Waffen UAF

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Nazis against Fascism - Who would have thought it?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 23 Jun 14 11.07pm

Quote Kermit8 at 23 Jun 2014 10.26pm

And here are the Waffen UAF

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Nazis against Fascism - Who would have thought it?


 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 24 Jun 14 6.05am

Quote nickgusset at 23 Jun 2014 10.22pm

Quote matt_himself at 23 Jun 2014 9.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 23 Jun 2014 8.57pm

Quote matt_himself at 23 Jun 2014 8.37pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Jun 2014 2.57pm

Quote matt_himself at 23 Jun 2014 11.41am

Gusset - I asked a few pages ago for evidence that the Saudi's have used chemical weapons against their own people or massacred great swathes of the population to ensure the hegemony prevails. I am still waiting for an answer.

On this subject, what about your comrades in the peoples paradises of China, North Korea and Cuba? Plenty of repression going on there.

1987, Mecca pilgrimage is the one that springs to mind. However the Saudi state has long supported the arrest, torture, secret trial and execution of Ismaili muslims.

Whilst arguably not on a scale comparable to the Iraqi regime, Saudi Arabia is a notoriously oppressive regime heavily criticised for secret trials, imprisonment of dissidents, oppression of women, secret and public executions etc.

[Link]

Hardly a place worth defending.



It is fairly laughable that you are using the 1987 riots as an example. It is incredibly contentious to say it was a massacre and it was largely as the result of Iranian pilgrims protests, so not falling into the bracket at all of putting down a civil uprising. That doesn't make it right.

I am not defending Saudi Arabia, I am rebutting Gussets arguments which are cyclical and without much substance. He just keeps repeating whatever the SWP banners say at whatever march he has been on recently.


dont be a cock matt. I have no tranche with the SWP.
You still haven't answered my question. Do you think that the invasion of Iraq has exacerbated problems here regarding extremists.


Erm, you do. You support TUSC and members of TUSC's consist of 'representatives of the SWP'. You are part of the same family.

I don't recall this question but will answer as follows: extremist movements in the Middle East. They are are adapt at moving from places such as the Lebanon/Israel border, Helmand, the tribal pakistani regions and Yemen fairly easily. Normally they are chased out and find safe haven in other places and continue their political aims.

What we are seeing in Iraq is the mobilisation of extremists who have had experience of combat in many territories and have found a cause in which they can fight where the resistance to them is weak.

Unfortunately, extremist groups have been on a war footing since the mid-nineties but have truely been outcasts from the West and other governments since 9/11. They are agile, skilled, well funded and have an ability to make uneasy peace with locals by subsidising food, water and fuel in the areas they working in and as a result of his, can bunker down in areas which makes the difficult to move.

Would they have been operating successfully in Iraq if Saddam was still in change? My gut reactions not as successful but would still be able to campaign against the Iraqi army effectively. By now, the Iraqi army would have been equipped with far less modern weapons, would be manned by many people who are sympathic to ISIS aims and would face experienced fighters pouring in from neighbouring territories fresh from battle.

Do I think the invasion has exacerbated problems in Iraq regarding extremists? I think it has made them easier to operate but you cannot blame the invasion of Iraq for the multitude of experience fighters doing he rounds in the Middle East at the moment. Afghanistan, pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Israel/'Palestine', Libya and the Arab Spring have created a new level of instability, a new class of political fighter and new opportunities for groups to instigate combat in any territory in the Arab/Israeli World, as most face poorly equipped and managed Armies, notably Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Israel and Qatar apart.

A good answer matt. But I asked whether the invasion of Iraq and what followed has exacerbated extremism here.
As for the TUSC, I've never said I supported them, merely highlighted them as an alternative. however, I do agree with a lot of their aims.
As far as I'm concerned, the SWP lost all credibility with the rape allegation fiasco.


Edited by nickgusset (23 Jun 2014 11.20pm)

I directly put that question into the final paragraph of the response.

The Middle East is too complex for a yes/no answer and it is also 11 years since the invasion. Things have changed since then and this needs to be recognised.

The SWP never had any credibility. The rape allegations merely highlighted their foolishness but you did say clearly that TUSC were credible. Appear to be contradicting yourself now.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 14 7.12am

They are a coalition. Do you think all lib demo support the tories despite being in a coalition with them?

 
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Jun 14 8.41am

Quote bright&wright at 23 Jun 2014 10.07pm

Radical pro-terrorist organisation Unite Against Fascism are the new Nazi's.

If you are white and English they will try to make you feel guilty and ashamed of being so, they despise our armed forces, hate the Jews and try to use violence and intimidation to crush any opposition. They fight for freedom of speech - as long as you agree with them. If not, you are scum.

What's more Nazi than that?

National Socialism? Gassing Jews? Subsidised agricultural policy for self sufficiency. Racial purity policy? Homophobia? home market protectionism?

I've been around previous incarnations, such as the Anti-Nazi league. My experience was that they were mostly from the far left and white, some were ex-forces and anti-Israeli policy. Yeah, they use violence and intimidation directed at groups like the National Front and the far right, who use violence and intimidation.

A blunt instrument. Mostly they were an kind of alliance between far left groups such as workers libertine, swp, sp, CPGB and student / Trade union members.


Edited by jamiemartin721 (24 Jun 2014 8.42am)

 

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legaleagle Flag 24 Jun 14 9.23am

ok, and your experiences of being around them were not that different to mine,but the ANL/Rock Against Racism did their bit to help change attitudes amongst some young parts of the population to racism 30-35years ago in a way we perhaps (thankfully) take for granted now.

 
Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 Jun 14 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)

 

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bright&wright Flag 24 Jun 14 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

 

'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.
Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 Jun 14 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.

 

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bright&wright Flag 24 Jun 14 7.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

 

'We are going to make a little bit of history here’ Mr. J. Ertl.
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Jun 14 9.08pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 7.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

Indeed, he's no Jimmy McSavile, he'll be kissing women whether they like it or not.


 

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 25 Jun 14 10.16am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Jun 2014 9.08pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 7.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

Indeed, he's no Jimmy McSavile, he'll be kissing women whether they like it or not.


Is he going to borrow your hammers ? You know the blood stained ones with the human hair stuck to the claw bit.


 

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 25 Jun 14 10.17am

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 7.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

HAHAHAH come on Kerm that was quite funny


 

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
Kermit8 Flag Hevon 25 Jun 14 10.25am

Quote dannyh at 25 Jun 2014 10.17am

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 7.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

HAHAHAH come on Kerm that was quite funny



Agreed. If I were 13.

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 25 Jun 14 10.30am

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Jun 2014 10.25am

Quote dannyh at 25 Jun 2014 10.17am

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 7.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

HAHAHAH come on Kerm that was quite funny



Agreed. If I were 13.

Oooooooooo get you miserbale git.

 

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 14 10.38am

Quote dannyh at 25 Jun 2014 10.30am

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Jun 2014 10.25am

Quote dannyh at 25 Jun 2014 10.17am

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 7.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

HAHAHAH come on Kerm that was quite funny



Agreed. If I were 13.

Oooooooooo get you miserbale git.


We definitely need a handbag smiley.

 
Kermit8 Flag Hevon 25 Jun 14 10.49am

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 25 Jun 14 1.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 25 Jun 2014 10.38am

Quote dannyh at 25 Jun 2014 10.30am

Quote Kermit8 at 25 Jun 2014 10.25am

Quote dannyh at 25 Jun 2014 10.17am

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 7.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

HAHAHAH come on Kerm that was quite funny



Agreed. If I were 13.

Oooooooooo get you miserbale git.


We definitely need a handbag smiley.

What about an "i've just been had up by a youngun because I was being ever so slightly precious". Smiley


 

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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