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sydtheeagle Flag England 28 Sep 15 9.56pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 28 Sep 2015 4.50pm

James Hook & Gareth Anscombe have been called up for Wales. I was starting to think that Hook was only marginally ahead of me in the pecking order.

Another tough game against Fiji and Henson will get the call

Looks like you were right: [Link]

 


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johnno42000 Flag 28 Sep 15 10.41pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

I think Shaun Edwards misunderstood what his priest was doing. He was actually saying he was available for selection. [Link]

Edited by johnno42000 (29 Sep 2015 12.22am)

 


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Quote sydtheeagle at 28 Sep 2015 9.56pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 28 Sep 2015 4.50pm

James Hook & Gareth Anscombe have been called up for Wales. I was starting to think that Hook was only marginally ahead of me in the pecking order.

Another tough game against Fiji and Henson will get the call

Looks like you were right: [Link]

that is bloody brilliant

 


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Quote sydtheeagle at 28 Sep 2015 6.57pm

Very good analysis of Saturday by no less than Graham Henry: [Link]


Good article that and if nothing else validates what us armchair generals had said before a ball was even kicked...

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 29 Sep 15 1.45pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

All you egg chasers have far more in depth tactical Knowledge than me, I am a football player that occasionally plays rugby, knows the rules, and can have a good game at second row.

However all the flack Lancaster is getting seems a bit unfair.

Look at it from a football view point and you may get what I'm saying, Pardew makes some iffy subs at times (Mutch for Wilf, leaving Jedi out, playing Yannick up top instead of Gayle etc etc. And yet Pards get no s*** what so ever, because in the main he has been brilliant for Palace.

In the main Lancaster has been brilliant for England, I know the subs he made were "odd" but he must've done it for a reason, if I remember rightly Wales had already started turning the screw before he made the changes.

As for the Kick at goal that never was to suggest that is Lancasters fault is plain daft, he was miles away in seats, Rob Shaw was on the pitch and it was his choice, at that minute in time it was his choice, he needed to make a comand decision and he f***ed it up.

He kicks for goal, we maybe get three points but whatever the Welsh have to kick back to us and a draw was a very likely result with that much time left.

You can prepare the players as best you can, but when they cross the line of chalk you can do no more, look at that dick that took the penalty from Gareth Barry and then smashed it at the keeper ?

I know there was more to the game and Englands failure than one descion by Rob Shaw, but that was the catalyst for Wales to win. Do you really think Lancasters advice with minutes left on the clock, with a kickable penalty, level on points, would be to go for a set peice ?????? I think not

The Captain has to take this one.

 


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Is it over yet?

 


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Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm

All you egg chasers have far more in depth tactical Knowledge than me, I am a football player that occasionally plays rugby, knows the rules, and can have a good game at second row.

However all the flack Lancaster is getting seems a bit unfair.

Look at it from a football view point and you may get what I'm saying, Pardew makes some iffy subs at times (Mutch for Wilf, leaving Jedi out, playing Yannick up top instead of Gayle etc etc. And yet Pards get no s*** what so ever, because in the main he has been brilliant for Palace.

In the main Lancaster has been brilliant for England, I know the subs he made were "odd" but he must've done it for a reason, if I remember rightly Wales had already started turning the screw before he made the changes.

As for the Kick at goal that never was to suggest that is Lancasters fault is plain daft, he was miles away in seats, Rob Shaw was on the pitch and it was his choice, at that minute in time it was his choice, he needed to make a comand decision and he f***ed it up.

He kicks for goal, we maybe get three points but whatever the Welsh have to kick back to us and a draw was a very likely result with that much time left.

You can prepare the players as best you can, but when they cross the line of chalk you can do no more, look at that dick that took the penalty from Gareth Barry and then smashed it at the keeper ?

I know there was more to the game and Englands failure than one descion by Rob Shaw, but that was the catalyst for Wales to win. Do you really think Lancasters advice with minutes left on the clock, with a kickable penalty, level on points, would be to go for a set peice ?????? I think not

The Captain has to take this one.


Blatant euphemism.

 

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Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm

All you egg chasers have far more in depth tactical Knowledge than me, I am a football player that occasionally plays rugby, knows the rules, and can have a good game at second row.

However all the flack Lancaster is getting seems a bit unfair.

Look at it from a football view point and you may get what I'm saying, Pardew makes some iffy subs at times (Mutch for Wilf, leaving Jedi out, playing Yannick up top instead of Gayle etc etc. And yet Pards get no s*** what so ever, because in the main he has been brilliant for Palace.

In the main Lancaster has been brilliant for England, I know the subs he made were "odd" but he must've done it for a reason, if I remember rightly Wales had already started turning the screw before he made the changes.

As for the Kick at goal that never was to suggest that is Lancasters fault is plain daft, he was miles away in seats, Rob Shaw was on the pitch and it was his choice, at that minute in time it was his choice, he needed to make a comand decision and he f***ed it up.

He kicks for goal, we maybe get three points but whatever the Welsh have to kick back to us and a draw was a very likely result with that much time left.

You can prepare the players as best you can, but when they cross the line of chalk you can do no more, look at that dick that took the penalty from Gareth Barry and then smashed it at the keeper ?

I know there was more to the game and Englands failure than one descion by Rob Shaw, but that was the catalyst for Wales to win. Do you really think Lancasters advice with minutes left on the clock, with a kickable penalty, level on points, would be to go for a set peice ?????? I think not

The Captain has to take this one.


Mirallas from Baines.

Lancaster record against the Welsh is unacceptable, and downright awful against South Africa. Apart from that he's done okay.

 


Optimistic as ever

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sydtheeagle Flag England 29 Sep 15 2.25pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm
However all the flack Lancaster is getting seems a bit unfair.

Not to those of us who predicted that this line-up would fail to beat Wales. Since an awful lot of people saw it coming, the criticism seems entirely reasonable. As I said last week, if you spend four years training, to use your football analogy, to play 4-4-2 but you bottle it three days before the game and ask your players to suddenly play 3-5-1, the criticism that ensues isn't going to be unfair. What's the point of spending 48 months preparing a tactic you're going to abandon the day it actually counts?

Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm
In the main Lancaster has been brilliant for England,

In the main, Lancaster has done a very competent job of dragging us out of the post 2011 gutter. But all his work to date has been groundwork for the World Cup and, effectively, for the Wales and Australia games (the two that matter.) And right now, he has a record of Won 0 Lost 1. That's a harsh way of looking at it I know but it's what it boils down to. Remember the way that SCW in 2003 never, ever, took his eyes off the prize and the way he planned to get there? That's why we won the World Cup,

Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm
I know the subs he made were "odd" but he must've done it for a reason

All too many coaches these days make a raft of substitutions around the hour mark almost just to remind us how clever they are. If there was any rhyme or reason to the changes on Saturday, it wasn't evident to most people I've spoken to. The real problem wasn't so much the fact of making substitutions, but that he didn't replace like for like. He swapped a quick, sniping 9 for a slow, static one. He swapped a conservative out half for a creative one. He left on the poorer of his midfielders and took off the better one on the day. Thus, he drained all the momentum we had gained up to the hour mark.

Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm
if I remember rightly Wales had already started turning the screw before he made the changes.

No, they hadn't. The game changed when Youngs came off. That was the pivotal moment.

Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm
As for the Kick at goal that never was to suggest that is Lancasters fault is plain daft, he was miles away in seats, Rob Shaw was on the pitch and it was his choice, at that minute in time it was his choice, he needed to make a comand decision and he f***ed it up.

It IS Lancaster's fault. It was the third time Robshaw had made the same call (and the third time it failed.) Why, after the first two times, did Lancaster not pull Robshaw aside and tell him "in this situation, never, ever again." Although the captain clearly shares responsibility, players are supposed to execute the coaches instructions on the pitch. Clearly, Lancaster had not addressed previous failures of judgment in his preparation. So he takes responsibility for that.

Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm
You can prepare the players as best you can, but when they cross the line of chalk you can do no more

Agree. See my point above. They were not properly prepared. Lancaster had had two warnings that Robshaw was inclined to make poor decisions at the key moment of a game, and he had clearly not addressed the issue.

Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm
I know there was more to the game and Englands failure than one descion by Rob Shaw

There was. The decision to kick in the first place was immediately exacerbated by an even poorer decision, if that's possible. To throw to 2. That made it vastly easier for the Welsh to bundle the ball into touch. At least if you're going to go for the lineout, throw to 6 or 7 and give yourself a chance to set a platform properly to score. Apparently, Lancaster hadn't coached them in that basic thinking either. Yet England won the World Cup in 2003 precisely because on the key play, they threw to the back of the line.

Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm]
Do you really think Lancasters advice with minutes left on the clock, with a kickable penalty, level on points, would be to go for a set peice ?????? I think not

The Captain has to take this one.

Lancaster evidently didn't give any advice. Likely, though, Robshaw would have taken the points. I'm not sure what this proves, other than the captain doesn't trust his kickers. As Faz has alluded to.

Edited by sydtheeagle (29 Sep 2015 2.28pm)

 


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Quote DanH at 29 Sep 2015 1.50pm

Quote dannyh at 29 Sep 2015 1.45pm

All you egg chasers have far more in depth tactical Knowledge than me, I am a football player that occasionally plays rugby, knows the rules, and can have a good game at second row.

However all the flack Lancaster is getting seems a bit unfair.

Look at it from a football view point and you may get what I'm saying, Pardew makes some iffy subs at times (Mutch for Wilf, leaving Jedi out, playing Yannick up top instead of Gayle etc etc. And yet Pards get no s*** what so ever, because in the main he has been brilliant for Palace.

In the main Lancaster has been brilliant for England, I know the subs he made were "odd" but he must've done it for a reason, if I remember rightly Wales had already started turning the screw before he made the changes.

As for the Kick at goal that never was to suggest that is Lancasters fault is plain daft, he was miles away in seats, Rob Shaw was on the pitch and it was his choice, at that minute in time it was his choice, he needed to make a comand decision and he f***ed it up.

He kicks for goal, we maybe get three points but whatever the Welsh have to kick back to us and a draw was a very likely result with that much time left.

You can prepare the players as best you can, but when they cross the line of chalk you can do no more, look at that dick that took the penalty from Gareth Barry and then smashed it at the keeper ?

I know there was more to the game and Englands failure than one descion by Rob Shaw, but that was the catalyst for Wales to win. Do you really think Lancasters advice with minutes left on the clock, with a kickable penalty, level on points, would be to go for a set peice ?????? I think not

The Captain has to take this one.


Blatant euphemism.


 


Pro USA & Israel

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 29 Sep 15 4.28pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Brian Moore made a good point this morning, most people including him wanted rid of SCW after the 99 world cup. That didn't turn out too bad

 


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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 29 Sep 2015 4.28pm

Brian Moore made a good point this morning, most people including him wanted rid of SCW after the 99 world cup. That didn't turn out too bad

There are vast differences between the approach of the two. Woodward was always completely clear-minded. What people disagreed with after 1999 was his strategy. Not his execution. Lancaster now appears not to even have a strategy so any ability to execute is irrelevant. For instance, what's his ideal 10-12-13? You tell me, because I'm blowed if I know? Burrell started pretty much every game for a successful two years and he's not even in the World Cup squad.

As I said earlier, SCW wanted fast, mobile flankers and he stuck with Hilda and Back when many called them into question. Tindall was never flavour of the month but SCW knew the balance he wanted in midfield. By sticking to his vision, dividends were reaped. Repetition has always equalled success in sports. Thus, it's not the fact of our failure against Wales that's problematic. It's the manner of our failure that calls into question Lancaster's tenure.

For me, the most worrying thing is that he appears to be an administrator and organiser, but not a top class strategist or coach. He's a good bloke and he's competent but would you seriously compare him to Gatland, Hansen, Henry, Schmidt, Chieka, Jones, even Cotter? The hell you would. SCW ran every detail of his teams where Lancaster, lacking self-belief, not only defers but clearly defers to the wrong people (Farrell) too. I think it's time to say "thanks" and move on. There are too many world class coaches out there to employ one who isn't.

Edited by sydtheeagle (29 Sep 2015 4.51pm)

 


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