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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 12.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Have you gone completely mad?

What kind of society will we have if we just cancel the bank accounts of people we don't like.

Get a grip.

Have you?

It's not what they are doing.

It's what you think they are doing, encouraged by Farage's, and the right-wing press's, propaganda.

They are closing accounts for commercial reasons. They are commercial businesses, not public utilities.

 


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eaglesdare Flag 28 Jul 23 12.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They might be different to those of a caucus here who themselves hold views regarded as controversial by the wider population, but they aren't elsewhere. They are what at least one poster derogatorily describes as those of a "normie"!

What the site and its moderators do is up to them. It's their ball. Their game. So far they have obviously decided their reputation isn't being damaged by my, or your, presence here. Other opinions may exist.

It seems the wider population deem your views to be controversial. Maybe we could do a vote on the HOL. "Are wisbechs views controversial?" Im sure it will be an overwhelming yes.

Even at that I would not want you to be banned or have your assets seized, or bank accounts closed. As you have a right to have your views even tho they are controversial and not what the wider population think.

Anyways I have really enjoyed your meltdown over Farage so please continue.

 

Mattconrov Flag 28 Jul 23 12.34pm

[quote=eaglesdare

It seems the wider population deem your views to be controversial. Maybe we could do a vote on the HOL. "Are wisbechs views controversial?" Im sure it will be an overwhelming yes.

Even at that I would not want you to be banned or have your assets seized, or bank accounts closed. As you have a right to have your views even tho they are controversial and not what the wider population think.

Anyways I have really enjoyed your meltdown over Farage so please continue.


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I wouldn't call Wisbech controversial. I'd call his views very establishment based.

Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 12.35pm)

 


" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Jul 23 12.34pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

Having followed these political debates. I can see that Wisbech is an intelligent man. However I know that if you say black he will say white. Not quite sure what's going on. Are you part of the 77th brigade Wisbech? Lol.

Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 12.17pm)

I happily agree with opinions that make sense. Regrettably, such opinions are quite rare in this place, populated as it is by those with a very particular viewpoint who have successfully driven away most contrary views.

I hadn't heard of the 77th brigade so thanks for the heads-up. Very interesting and necessary. I would have loved to have been a member but sadly am now far too old. I will have to content myself in providing voluntary service on the web.

 


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Mattconrov Flag 28 Jul 23 12.42pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I happily agree with opinions that make sense. Regrettably, such opinions are quite rare in this place, populated as it is by those with a very particular viewpoint who have successfully driven away most contrary views.

I hadn't heard of the 77th brigade so thanks for the heads-up. Very interesting and necessary. I would have loved to have been a member but sadly am now far too old. I will have to content myself in providing voluntary service on the web.

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I very rarely get involved in these conversations. But I feel compelled to sometimes contribute. Unfortunately both yourself and others become far too emotional when debating. It doesn't need to be personal. I might just add that if people were a little less emotional, your views would be dismantled quite simply. I look forward to chatting with you more.

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" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

Mattconrov Flag 28 Jul 23 12.43pm


Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 12.47pm)

 


" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jul 23 1.02pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Have you?

It's not what they are doing.

It's what you think they are doing, encouraged by Farage's, and the right-wing press's, propaganda.

They are closing accounts for commercial reasons. They are commercial businesses, not public utilities.

It amounts to the same thing as you know full well.

They also still exist because of public funds.

We all know that you can see the bigger picture, so why not just be a man for a change and admit that this lunacy does not serve the greater good, rather than hide behind mealy mouthed excuses.

 

Mattconrov Flag 28 Jul 23 1.09pm

With regards to Wisbech comments on the banks commercial decision on cancelling Nigel. Firstly "the controversial views" he holds.
If you are referring to Brexit, then that's hardly controversial since 51 percent of the country voted for it. If you mean the boat loads of illegals coming on from Dover? Again not controversial. So I assume that by the vast majority of people on this website plus everyone I speak to being against illegal immigrants coming in on boats; that this is hardly a commercial decision. It's an establishment decesion.

I would also add that nat west is 45 percent owned by the government for which coutts are part of. I think that's relevant.

Having a bank account is not really a choice. What seems to have happened in society is a bait and switch. Get people reliant on Certain things and then take them away for being a non compliant person. You tube did the same thing. Yes there are other platforms. But once banned from you tube you are less relevant.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jul 23 1.19pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

With regards to Wisbech comments on the banks commercial decision on cancelling Nigel. Firstly "the controversial views" he holds.
If you are referring to Brexit, then that's hardly controversial since 51 percent of the country voted for it. If you mean the boat loads of illegals coming on from Dover? Again not controversial. So I assume that by the vast majority of people on this website plus everyone I speak to being against illegal immigrants coming in on boats; that this is hardly a commercial decision. It's an establishment decesion.

The key point is that Farage holds views that the majority share.
They are only controversial for a small noisy part of society.

Those that have put their eggs in the woke basket are afraid that he might upset their apple cart. If you can forgive the mixed metaphors.

 

Mattconrov Flag 28 Jul 23 1.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The key point is that Farage holds views that the majority share.
They are only controversial for a small noisy part of society.

Those that have put their eggs in the woke basket are afraid that he might upset their apple cart. If you can forgive the mixed metaphors.

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More importantly in my opinion; the people who disagree with Nigel and have the most influence, are the establishment. The people at coutts are on some level being directed. Because it makes absolutely no commercial business sense. See Bud light for more details. Lol

 


" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

palace99 Flag New Mills 28 Jul 23 1.34pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

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More importantly in my opinion; the people who disagree with Nigel and have the most influence, are the establishment. The people at coutts are on some level being directed. Because it makes absolutely no commercial business sense. See Bud light for more details. Lol

Clearly not as this has been front page news for over a week.
It would appear Farage has a lot of supporters in the media and so has controlled the newsflow.

This is a nothing story really and should never have been front page news.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jul 23 1.39pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

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More importantly in my opinion; the people who disagree with Nigel and have the most influence, are the establishment. The people at coutts are on some level being directed. Because it makes absolutely no commercial business sense. See Bud light for more details. Lol

Absolutely. The media and business generally has decided to adopt Marxist ideas whether they realise it or not. They largely control the flow of ideas through news, advertising and fiction.

 

Mattconrov Flag 28 Jul 23 1.41pm

Originally posted by palace99

Clearly not as this has been front page news for over a week.
It would appear Farage has a lot of supporters in the media and so has controlled the newsflow.

This is a nothing story really and should never have been front page news.

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Farage sells papers. The BBC certainly lied to us about the real reasons he was cancelled. This is certainly not a nothing story as it is already affecting ordinary folk and could affect any of us in the near future.


As I said in my original comments. The establishment are against Farage. Some of the media may be friends of his. But for one they are not the establishment. If their ability to earn money is taken away then they will soon go against him. Also I believe the people backing Nigel may even have said it out of self preservation. Even someone from the gaurdian was on his side.

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" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 28 Jul 23 2.01pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No, Coutts changed. That’ their.right. That you don’t approve is irrelevant. They probably don’t expect you to be a client.

Yes, Coutts changed - probably toeing the Woke line propagated by Alison Rose.

And I can imagine that whoever instigated NF’s debanking thought that they would enhance their own reputation internally as a result .

That you approve of their actions is irrelevant given how the City, the Government and the Regulator has reacted.

And what has your last sentence got to do with anything ? As well as being irrelevant, it’s well wide of the mark as I’m a long standing “ client “.

As such, my requirements of my bank is to effectively manage my assets and be competitive in terms of service. I don’t require them to make the decision that they have in this case.

My guess is that if Coutts could turn the clock back now they would happily do so.

Wisbech, I respect your views although I’m not in agreement with them. It’s good to see well articulated debate on here.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jul 23 2.07pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

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Farage sells papers. The BBC certainly lied to us about the real reasons he was cancelled. This is certainly not a nothing story as it is already affecting ordinary folk and could affect any of us in the near future.


As I said in my original comments. The establishment are against Farage. Some of the media may be friends of his. But for one they are not the establishment. If their ability to earn money is taken away then they will soon go against him. Also I believe the people backing Nigel may even have said it out of self preservation. Even someone from the gaurdian was on his side.

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Silencing people that have a different opinion by whichever means is sinister and very undesirable.

For some reason, some on the left now find this acceptable. They seem to have forgotten a core value of a free society.

Shame on them. They have learned nothing from history or from the wisdom of our forebears.

 

Mattconrov Flag 28 Jul 23 2.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Silencing people that have a different opinion by whichever means is sinister and very undesirable.

For some reason, some on the left now find this acceptable. They seem to have forgotten a core value of a free society.

Shame on them. They have learned nothing from history or from the wisdom of our forebears.[/quo

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Also if they know their history. They will be the first in the firing line

It's a shame what has happened to the left in politics. Only a few years ago I would have considered myself a bit of a lefty. However over the last 10 years in particular they have gone completely insane. That's why I got the hell out of there.
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" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 28 Jul 23 3.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are so predictable. When I wrote that I expected you to jump on it.

Farage is hypocritical in too many ways to list them all, but in none you would either recognise or accept.

His whole ethos is hypocritical. He claims to be protecting the common man, when really he is interested in promoting his own politics. In the recent event he has used his private life for public purposes.

Where has he been hypocritical during the Coutts affair?

 

Mattconrov Flag 28 Jul 23 3.53pm

Farage did everyone a favour by using his platform to shine a light on these bank cancellation.

Of course he used his fame and platform for his own good. Who wouldn't. Plus it was his fame and platform that got him cancelled in the first place.

I'm not quite sure where Farage has been hypocritical. I can give one example where during "covid" he was. Farage wanted the war criminal Tony Blair to head up the taskforce for the experimental covid jab. Then shortly after started calling out against mandates and lockdowns, questioning the official narrative. That's an example of hypocrisy I think. Do you Mr Wisbech have a specific one?

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" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

eaglesdare Flag 28 Jul 23 4.00pm

Originally posted by Mattconrov

[quote=eaglesdare

It seems the wider population deem your views to be controversial. Maybe we could do a vote on the HOL. "Are wisbechs views controversial?" Im sure it will be an overwhelming yes.

Even at that I would not want you to be banned or have your assets seized, or bank accounts closed. As you have a right to have your views even tho they are controversial and not what the wider population think.

Anyways I have really enjoyed your meltdown over Farage so please continue.


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I wouldn't call Wisbech controversial. I'd call his views very establishment based.

Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 12.35pm)


See thats the thing. Who are we to say anyones views are controversial? My views may not be controversial to some and then can be controversial to others.

I find wisbechs views controversial. However I believe he still has a right to air his views without being cancelled or debanked or banned. I would stand up for his right to have those views without being cancelled.

 

Mattconrov Flag 28 Jul 23 4.55pm

I will say that Wisbech has establishment views not controversial by government standard. That's up to him. Not critical of him for that exactly. Myself, I am very controversial. So I'm told.

It's not his viewpoint in these current times that are under threat. It's those who question the narrative. Although the cabal will get round to everyone eventually.

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" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

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