To take you literally it certainly made Adolf quite an unpopular name.

Joseph didn't seem to suffer quite the same though.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Jun 2024 7.26pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

did you tell the throngs at Speakers Corner ? make sure you wear a stab vest

Edited by PalazioVecchio (24 Jun 2024 7.44pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Whilst the importance of DNA wasn’t realised until 1953, so couldn’t have been in Hitler’s thinking, knowledge of the existence of genes long predates that. His whole approach was racially based in the belief that Aryan people are superior to everyone else. These ideas were entirely centred about what was then considered genetics. It has expanded since then.

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I hope that clarifies things for you.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I think it's you that needs clarification.

Hitler has nothing to do with the validity of genetic heritage.

What Hitler thought about anything has no bearing on this subject, except in your mind.

I was born in Sydenham to an English father and Northern Irish mother therefore I am mixed race innit.

No, just mixed up.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hitler believed in social Darwinism from reading during his prison term in the 20s.....A lot of people did at the time. Social Darwinism started in England and was a philosophical movement based from Darwin's evolution theory....based upon designing society along evolution's 'survival of the fittest' conclusions

Many high level thinkers took it on...Herbert Spencer, Galton, George Bernard Shaw. 

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Germany under Hitler carried out terminations of those they considered unfit. This was of course abhorrent.

However, I note the hypocrisy of those that support the abortion of healthy human infants yet are appalled by the ending of life for the disabled and incapable.

Quite selective in my view.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

No, it's a fair point to talk about the ethical difference between professional armies and civilians....that wasn't what I was getting at. I was referring to the individual themselves.

Also the point should be made that the vast majority of those in the WW2 weren't professionals and were conscripted and given little choice.....Disgrace and prison time or join up.

Also the point can be made that both allies and axis made little distinction between soldier and civilian. For example, we and the Americans destroyed German cities long after the defeat of Germany was assured.....Dresden had little military utility and we essentially took out around thirty thousand civilians over a few days.

Then of course the obvious elephant in the room of the Americans nuking Japan, causing the death of two hundred thousand civilians. Generations of unborn children suffering defects....still happens to this day.

People who diminish what nuclear radiation does really need to look back at those explosions.....bombs that were far far less powerful than today.

As Churchill said himself...well to paraphrase him, the victors write the history and he's going to write it and ensure that they come out well.

I remember my grandfather telling me that, as they went through from Italy, some units wouldn't take prisoners and just shot the surrendered so that they didn't have to share provisions and process them.....Some of them doing it out of war hatred. But I tend to think we were better than most.

Hitler and Stalin were geocidal and I agree that.....in the comparison of atrocities in WW2 we are probably the least culpable....but there were no good guys.

As for the abortion point and this 'unviable' description....I'll link to something the comedian Bill Burr said on it.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2024 8.45am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yes, let's forget who we are and how to protect our heritage, culture and security because of the Nazis.

You promote simplistic, paranoid self destructive clap trap.

Personally, I'm not interested in dragging up history in relation to this subject.

All our resident lefty is trying to do is link the right to claim an identity and protect our heritage with Nazis.

The problem here is that 'heritage' has been a buzz word for radical far right wing groups for a long time, which taints any opinions regarding immigration and resulting demographic changes and cultural and social issues.

These real concerns have to be reclaimed from any association to the radical far right and any historical misdemeanours related to such groups.

We must come to realise that the issues facing our population caused by mass immigration are not some sort of extreme ideological fantasy, but very real and at the centre of almost every problem that this nation now endures.

The Right need to reclaim the moral high ground on these issues and reject any association to extremism on both sides of politics.

The Reform party can be the start of that, but that have a serious battle ahead, not just with other parties but with the liberal/left wing media and those that support it for their own interests.

I'm hoping that 5 years of the Left in power might just help things along.