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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 28 Jun 16 11.51am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is a thread on the BBS which is called something like, If the idiots win what will you do? That pretty much sums up the attitude of the young, arrogant, primarily left wing Remain types. They think they own the moral and the intellectual high ground and have contemp for anyone who disagrees with them.
The BBS is full of them and I am personally delighted that we voted leave to stick two fingers up to them and the politicians who have screwed us for so long.
What we can't do is allow those scheming b******s to backtrack on our democratic decision and keep everything the same by the back door or find a way to have another referendum.

There's a lot of this sort of sentiment as well as we f***ed the establishment. I find it bizarre. Boris, (Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson) Eton & Oxford. Farage, Dulwich College MEP for 17 years. Gove, Oxford educated and a minister. Hardly sticking two fingers up to the establishment

 


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Hoof Hearted 28 Jun 16 11.56am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is a thread on the BBS which is called something like, If the idiots win what will you do? That pretty much sums up the attitude of the young, arrogant, primarily left wing Remain types. They think they own the moral and the intellectual high ground and have contemp for anyone who disagrees with them.
The BBS is full of them and I am personally delighted that we voted leave to stick two fingers up to them and the politicians who have screwed us for so long.
What we can't do is allow those scheming b******s to backtrack on our democratic decision and keep everything the same by the back door or find a way to have another referendum.

It's not just the young or the BBS Hrolf.

A lot of the luvvies are indignant that us thicko leavers haven't the cerebral awakening that they have to have voted with them and their vision of a multicultural society living in bliss and harmony with plenty of cash to splash on Opera and other Thespian performances. Then enjoying a late night sushi style supper before retiring to one's pied-à-terre .... perhaps inviting a young foreign Artisan to partake of a nightcap before indulging in mutually agreeable sex?


Actually..... that does sound rather nice?

Shame the reality is somewhat different for us under classes!

Ahhhhh..... but to dream, dear boy!

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Jun 16 12.04pm

Farage in Brussells this morning is brilliant. He got lots of boos and a good dozen or 20 people standing and applauding.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jun 16 12.06pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

There's a lot of this sort of sentiment as well as we f***ed the establishment. I find it bizarre. Boris, (Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson) Eton & Oxford. Farage, Dulwich College MEP for 17 years. Gove, Oxford educated and a minister. Hardly sticking two fingers up to the establishment

I'm not interested where they were educated. You don't want idiots running the country. This is about ignoring the people in pursuit of personal gain and to satisfy corporation greed.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Jun 16 12.09pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It's not just the young or the BBS Hrolf.

A lot of the luvvies are indignant that us thicko leavers haven't the cerebral awakening that they have to have voted with them and their vision of a multicultural society living in bliss and harmony with plenty of cash to splash on Opera and other Thespian performances. Then enjoying a late night sushi style supper before retiring to one's pied-à-terre .... perhaps inviting a young foreign Artisan to partake of a nightcap before indulging in mutually agreeable sex?


Actually..... that does sound rather nice?

Shame the reality is somewhat different for us under classes!

Ahhhhh..... but to dream, dear boy!

It works in London, but then if you don't earn enough to keep up, out you move. Or you never venture into areas which growing in low paid immigrant numbers. Why would you when you jump on the District Line from work straight to Putney or Wimbledon?

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 28 Jun 16 12.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not interested where they were educated. You don't want idiots running the country. This is about ignoring the people in pursuit of personal gain and to satisfy corporation greed.

I am not sure how either leaving or remaining in Europe would stop that. There os the quote attributed to Murdoch (which I have no idea of it's authenticity) but either way is believable.

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

fledgling Flag Beckenham 28 Jun 16 12.11pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It's not just the young or the BBS Hrolf.

A lot of the luvvies are indignant that us thicko leavers haven't the cerebral awakening that they have to have voted with them and their vision of a multicultural society living in bliss and harmony with plenty of cash to splash on Opera and other Thespian performances. Then enjoying a late night sushi style supper before retiring to one's pied-à-terre .... perhaps inviting a young foreign Artisan to partake of a nightcap before indulging in mutually agreeable sex?


Actually..... that does sound rather nice?

Shame the reality is somewhat different for us under classes!

Ahhhhh..... but to dream, dear boy!

Hoof, this is a genuine question from someone who really doesn't know what to make of it all...can you give me some examples of how leaving the EU will directly benefit you and/or the wider population?

Similarly can the remain camp do the same?

I hear all this stuff about taking back control of decisions but what decisions have the EU imposed that people are so unhappy about? How has being part of the EU been detrimental and what can we gain from being out of it?

I don't live in a bubble but tend to let this stuff wash over and just try to take care of my own. I can't look at any politician and identify with them... one side rubbishes the other to try and gain popularity and once in power promise with one hand and take with the other.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jun 16 12.19pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It's not just the young or the BBS Hrolf.

A lot of the luvvies are indignant that us thicko leavers haven't the cerebral awakening that they have to have voted with them and their vision of a multicultural society living in bliss and harmony with plenty of cash to splash on Opera and other Thespian performances. Then enjoying a late night sushi style supper before retiring to one's pied-à-terre .... perhaps inviting a young foreign Artisan to partake of a nightcap before indulging in mutually agreeable sex?


Actually..... that does sound rather nice?

Shame the reality is somewhat different for us under classes!

Ahhhhh..... but to dream, dear boy!

That sounds bloody awful to me. I never did like pretentious arseholes.

They can shove their wine tasting, their theatre and the rest of their pathetic meaningless, self indulgent little lives up the arse.

Now I had to interrupt a meeting with my Feng Shui consultant to write this, so you will have to excuse me.

 

Hoof Hearted 28 Jun 16 12.23pm

Originally posted by fledgling

Hoof, this is a genuine question from someone who really doesn't know what to make of it all...can you give me some examples of how leaving the EU will directly benefit you and/or the wider population?

Similarly can the remain camp do the same?

I hear all this stuff about taking back control of decisions but what decisions have the EU imposed that people are so unhappy about? How has being part of the EU been detrimental and what can we gain from being out of it?

I don't live in a bubble but tend to let this stuff wash over and just try to take care of my own. I can't look at any politician and identify with them... one side rubbishes the other to try and gain popularity and once in power promise with one hand and take with the other.

Yes I could.... but the Referendum was last Thursday so what's the point!

You could actually read all of this thread, but I guess you want it all packaged up nice and neat in one post without too much trouble? LOL

I'll warn you though, some people may have exaggerated the importance/accuracy of their claims on here (on both sides I might add).

I've got a dog to walk, lunch to prepare and a couple of episodes of GoT to watch on TV this pm.... sounds better than slaving over my keyboard to belatedly update you with EU referendum Pros/Cons.

 

Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 28 Jun 16 12.24pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Farage in Brussells this morning is brilliant. He got lots of boos and a good dozen or 20 people standing and applauding.

Farage on economic uncertainties:

The Pound will fall - 'So what?'
FTSE will go down - So what?'
Your pension will stink for a while - 'So what?'
You may not afford Benidorm next year - 'So what?'

Meanwhile NF(with his £2 million plus) will no doubt have bought a large amount of Euros on 23rd June to cushion the blow (probably got his German wife to do it for him).


Edited by Slimey Toad (28 Jun 2016 12.24pm)

 

Hoof Hearted 28 Jun 16 12.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That sounds bloody awful to me. I never did like pretentious arseholes.

They can shove their wine tasting, their theatre and the rest of their pathetic meaningless, self indulgent little lives up the arse.

Now I had to interrupt a meeting with my Feng Shui consultant to write this, so you will have to excuse me.

Pretentious...... Moi?

Toodle ooh old chap... break a leg.... what what.

 

dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 28 Jun 16 12.28pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

I didn't say any politician had said any racist comment. I meant the people that are abusing ordinary human beings in their shops, on the streets etc.

57% increase in hate crimes since the referendum. Who do you think is doing these hate crimes? If it isn't the far right groups being emboldened then itmust be non far-right people and that, in it's own way is even worse. People are scared. [Link]

Please don't make assumptions about me. I genuinely hope that the politicians didn't foresee their positions as encouraging racism. Don't you hope that as well?

Nationalism is a dangerous card to play. I do not have a problem with being proud of your country and indeed am proud to be Welsh and British but you do not have to dislike another country, race etc to be proud of your own country. Some people on the far right do put down, abuse and attack people that do not fit their view of what British is and that is wrong. Or do you disagree?


what I disagree with is your assumption that anyone who voted leave is a part of, or has sympathy for the far right. I voted out but I want Hilary Benn for PM FFS.

You are trying to bend this into a debate about the far right which it is not, Everyone knows they are dicks, same as any extremist.

My point which you are helping me make, is that it would seem that persons such as yourself are hell bent on tarnishing everyone who voted out as a nazi sympathiser, and that simply is not the case.

I have the cross of St George tattooed on my leg, I feel this is now stereotyping me as a racist thug, of which I am not, similarly I expect every women in a Burkha feels as though they are being stereotyped as a terrorist, and they are not.

So please for sake of clarity stop insinuating all leave voters are racist, as your type of viewpoint is just as harmful as the knuckle dragger's.

Edited by dannyh (28 Jun 2016 12.30pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Jun 16 12.31pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Yes I could.... but the Referendum was last Thursday so what's the point!

You could actually read all of this thread, but I guess you want it all packaged up nice and neat in one post without too much trouble? LOL

I'll warn you though, some people may have exaggerated the importance/accuracy of their claims on here (on both sides I might add).

I've got a dog to walk, lunch to prepare and a couple of episodes of GoT to watch on TV this pm.... sounds better than slaving over my keyboard to belatedly update you with EU referendum Pros/Cons.

And a lot of people voted on how it's affecting others around the country and how it's going to affect them further. That's as well as voting with our own children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and so on.

It's not just about numbers of immigrants and housing and suppressed wages. It's also about the EU being pro big business, making fat cats and shareholders richer off imported cheap labour and costing smaller businesses for that reason and because they cannot export around the world when facing tariffs of up to 50% in some cases.

There is also the changing face of our communities for some but that's a concern for only some communities, for now.

Living wage and the cheap labour pull in 2020. Immigrants living 4 to a room to make it worthwhile and not worthwhile for our low paid who need to live properly on these wages. We need to cover welfare with our own citizens at some point rather than importing cheap labour, but then people won't be having 2 or more kids because they cannot get or afford housing for a 2 child family.

God I could go on and on and so could our problems. You can't fix a country in one week or year. It'll take some time but we should try, and try very very hard.

Add the wages being taken back to East European countries. Some of them are very open about that is their intention. I don't blame them, good luck to them. But it doesn't help our economy, if you know economics. It is never mentioned, and wasn't in the debates, because it'll be seen as xenophobic, or racist, which is technically inaccurate anyway. Only taxes paid vs benefits claimed.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (28 Jun 2016 12.43pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Jun 16 12.37pm

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Farage on economic uncertainties:

The Pound will fall - 'So what?'
FTSE will go down - So what?'
Your pension will stink for a while - 'So what?'
You may not afford Benidorm next year - 'So what?'

Meanwhile NF(with his £2 million plus) will no doubt have bought a large amount of Euros on 23rd June to cushion the blow (probably got his German wife to do it for him).


Edited by Slimey Toad (28 Jun 2016 12.24pm)

The FTSE is today back to the middle of its range, that was his point. The Dax and CAC fell much more last week than the FTSE and today he stood up in Brussells and told them all they need us more than we need them (for trade). I actually think it's equal but not as effective.

The pound is down against the dollar. The Eurois down against the dollar. The pound is down against the Euro. The pound/dollar is at equal lows to 30 years ago. The pound/euro is not. It is at 2013 levels. It'll make prices higher but our exports more competitive.

Farage has worked in forex and knows the drill.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (28 Jun 2016 12.37pm)

 


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fledgling Flag Beckenham 28 Jun 16 12.38pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Yes I could.... but the Referendum was last Thursday so what's the point!

You could actually read all of this thread, but I guess you want it all packaged up nice and neat in one post without too much trouble? LOL

I'll warn you though, some people may have exaggerated the importance/accuracy of their claims on here (on both sides I might add).

I've got a dog to walk, lunch to prepare and a couple of episodes of GoT to watch on TV this pm.... sounds better than slaving over my keyboard to belatedly update you with EU referendum Pros/Cons.

I'm not asking you for guidance as to which way to vote I was asking for say 5 bullet points as to why leaving is good in your eyes/works for you personally. Not going to pull you on it just wanted to know from someone who is so pro leave what they'll gain.

I've read through this thread daily and other than immigration and "taking back control" much like the politicians in the lead up to the referendum no one has actually said what they want to take control of that's so bad in the first place and why having that control would make a difference to their everyday life/benefit of the masses.

Enjoy your walk and GoT...although based on what you said in the spoiler thread you'll soon be disappointed as the mother of dragons power rarely gets them out after season 1.

Edited by fledgling (28 Jun 2016 12.40pm)

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Jun 16 12.40pm

Originally posted by fledgling

I'm not asking you for guidance as to which way to vote I was asking for 5 bullet points as to why leaving is good in your eyes/works for you personally. Not going to pull you on it just wanted to know from someone who is so pro leave what they'll gain.

I've read through this thread daily and other than immigration and "taking back control" much like the politicians in the lead up to the referendum no one has actually said what they want to take control of that's so bad in the first place and why having that control would make a difference to their everyday life/benefit of the masses.

Enjoy your walk and GoT...although based on what you said in the spoiler thread you'll soon be disappointed as the mother of dragons power rarely gets them out after season 1.

You clearly have not. Read my post for a start.

 


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Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 28 Jun 16 12.41pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The FTSE is today back to the middle of its range, that was his point. The Dax and CAC fell much more last week than the FTSE and today he stood up in Brussells and told them all they need us more than we need them (for trade). I actually think it's equal but not as effective.

The pound is down against the dollar. The Eurois down against the dollar. The pound is down against the Euro. The pound/dollar is at equal lows to 30 years ago. The pound/euro is not. It is at 2013 levels. It'll make prices higher but our exports more competitive.

Farage has worked in forex and knows the drill.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (28 Jun 2016 12.37pm)

That's not my point. I would imagine a lot of big-hitter leavers will have made sure their finance were secure before all this.

Like the rest (most) of us, why not sink or swim?

 

fledgling Flag Beckenham 28 Jun 16 12.49pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You clearly have not. Read my post for a start.


I have and there're are only a handful of posters who present reasoned, rational argument. You can include yourself in that.

Most of it is extremist or just noise.

 

johnno42000 Flag 28 Jun 16 12.50pm

Originally posted by dannyh

what I disagree with is your assumption that anyone who voted leave is a part of, or has sympathy for the far right. I voted out but I want Hilary Benn for PM FFS.

You are trying to bend this into a debate about the far right which it is not, Everyone knows they are dicks, same as any extremist.

My point which you are helping me make, is that it would seem that persons such as yourself are hell bent on tarnishing everyone who voted out as a nazi sympathiser, and that simply is not the case.

I have the cross of St George tattooed on my leg, I feel this is now stereotyping me as a racist thug, of which I am not, similarly I expect every women in a Burkha feels as though they are being stereotyped as a terrorist, and they are not.

So please for sake of clarity stop insinuating all leave voters are racist, as your type of viewpoint is just as harmful as the knuckle dragger's.

Edited by dannyh (28 Jun 2016 12.30pm)

Please try to stop reading things into my posts which aren't there. I have said that the result of the referendum has given added impetus to a nationalistic feel within the country.

Most people express this nationalism in the proper way. Some, the far right, have grabbed onto this feeling and the amount of racist attacks reported have risen significantly. I have not blamed the majority of people who voted leave for this but I have no doubt that the far right groups also voted for leave (if they can make a X of course) but I have never suggested they represent the majority of the leave voters.

As I said if you actually read what I have posted you will see I have NOT insinuated what you are suggesting.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 28 Jun 16 12.51pm

Originally posted by fledgling

I have and there're are only a handful of posters who present reasoned, rational argument. You can include yourself in that.

Most of it is extremist or just noise.

Erm, you've just said,

I've read through this thread daily and other than immigration and "taking back control" much like the politicians in the lead up to the referendum no one has actually said what they want to take control of that's so bad in the first place and why having that control would make a difference to their everyday life/benefit of the masses.

Are you David Cameron or Chukka Umunna?

 


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