I would agree with Boris that an agreement that is basically EEA but without one of the key tenets of it would be the ideal scenario for us, but I don't really see how it's going to happen. We're at a disadvantage in negotiations and it's very telling and intentional that no discussions can even take place until we have enacted article 50. There is talk of various candidates running on a platform of putting toward their 'view of what deal we're looking for', but it's meaningless because we'll have no way of knowing if it's something that's doable.

I don't for one moment think that controlling number sof immigrants is by itself racist or xenophobbic in any way. It's sensible and if the EU had given even a small amount of control over it I think we'd have voted the other way. My thought though, is that even though this is clearly an area that people want addressed, it's a difficult thing to make happen in reality even outside of the EU, and it's something that I doubt politicians have the will be persue as the vast majority of them still view high levels of immigration in a positive light.

Whoever takes over is in an unenviable situation, because for various reasons it's likely that everyone will be unhappy with whatever path we take.

Please try to stop reading things into my posts which aren't there. I have said that the result of the referendum has given added impetus to a nationalistic feel within the country.

Most people express this nationalism in the proper way. Some, the far right, have grabbed onto this feeling and the amount of racist attacks reported have risen significantly. I have not blamed the majority of people who voted leave for this but I have no doubt that the far right groups also voted for leave (if they can make a X of course) but I have never suggested they represent the majority of the leave voters.

As I said if you actually read what I have posted you will see I have NOT insinuated what you are suggesting.

I am invariable impressed with your posts BPF.

I guess everyone is hoping for the Switzerland deal. But the Swiss started out in a different place and have no doubt worked plenty of political magic over the years to get to where they are. Probably including having plenty of politicians' money stashed away.

So we are left with the tricky situation that the one thing the majority of people thought they were voting for - and most cared about - is highly unlikely to be what they really voted for. Clever work by those whose agenda was to wrest power away from the EU.

You don't think that after two decades of being told he's crazy that he shouldn't have a few minutes of "I told you so"?

If a few home truths are classed as insults then too bad. Most of them probably have never had a real job, or created a job.

And them demanding we do x, y and z every 5 minutes is going to help is it? I said this earlier in the thread, even after voting out they still think they can tell us what to do.

It's our choice entirely now. They have no say on article 50, only the withdrawing country does.

Around a third of MEPs have previously held national parliamentary mandates, and over 10% have ministerial experience at a national level. There are usually a number of former prime ministers and former members of the European Commission. Many other MEPs have held office at a regional or local level in their home states.

Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes, and political activists.

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The thing that f***s me off mostly with the backlash of this referendum is the fact that the majority of people are playing a game of blaming the voters. Speaking as someone from the younger, working class geberation who voted remain, the majority of young people I've grown up with didn't vote the same. It's sad how unbelievably misinformed they were, and also sad that the very problems that caused the rebellion are most probably the same problems that are only going to get worse. Having said that, in my opinion, the only person who should be to blame for whatever happens over the coming years is David Cameron. I genuinely think you cannot blame people for a lack of intelligence or even ignorance, for many it's a simple case of upbringing, fed up young people who were told lies by parents, friends and people who posed as someone who would represent them, when in fact are as power hungry as anyone is within the current political system, including the EU. All of that aside, its easy to forget the PM was voted into power on the basis of holding a referendum. He knew the risks associated with a leave vote and still couldn't convince over 50% of the U.K. that we were better off out - pretty hard considering whenever a big issue has arisen in the past "it's the EUs fault". The fact of the matter is, it is PMs job to represent as many people in the country as he can, even the ones not as intelligent as those who maybe see the world economically for what it is. He and the rest of the political elite have alienated themselves to such an extent, that a lot of (not all) people who voted leave were prepared to potentially put their own future on the line.

We can blame the electorate all we want but the fact of the matter is, this is Cameron's fault. He put the country at risk for his own personal gain and it's simply failed miserably.

Edited by Mstrobez (28 Jun 2016 4.38pm)

What has "failed miserably?"

The country was asked if they want to stay in the EU.

14.4 million people voted no, they wanted to leave.

Since then, a load of inexperienced market makers over reacted, so the value of the pound fell and the FTSE fell.

Given the weekend to sober up and grow some balls, the value of the pound is rising and the FTSE is back where it was Thursday at close of business.

Cameron has resigned. A new leader and team of Ministers will deal with our withdrawal from the EU and negotiate new deals with the rest of the world if the EU play hardball.

I repeat.... what has "failed miserably?"

Around a third of MEPs have previously held national parliamentary mandates, and over 10% have ministerial experience at a national level. There are usually a number of former prime ministers and former members of the European Commission. Many other MEPs have held office at a regional or local level in their home states.

Current MEPs also include former judges, trade union leaders, media personalities, actors, soldiers, singers, athletes and political activists.

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