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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jun 16 1.23pm

Cameron: "You cannot have the benefits from the EU without the costs."

So Cameron calls it/them "costs" (mainly immigration as that's what they're don't want us to limit)

EU MEP's and Juncker etc call it "punishment."

The language is telling. The intention to dictate and now 'punish' is no longer in doubt.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 16 1.49pm

We have a problem.

The country by majority wants to curb immigration and break free from the dictate of Europe.
The men who are negotiating the way forward are pro European Union. This is not acceptable.
We need people from the Leave camp to negotiate for us and take the tough decisions and the hard road ahead if necessary.
What was the point of coming out of the EU otherwise?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 29 Jun 16 1.52pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

No, at least 4 people had mentioned the drop, it was s joke. Look at the link that I put with the comment and you will see. Stop being so defensive. It's nearly the hols. Lighten up Mr Stirling.

Contract's up at the Hols.....Might be on here a lot more. I'm not sure that's gonna be a good thing for any of us.

 


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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 29 Jun 16 2.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We have a problem.

The country by majority wants to curb immigration and break free from the dictate of Europe.
The men who are negotiating the way forward are pro European Union. This is not acceptable.
We need people from the Leave camp to negotiate for us and take the tough decisions and the hard road ahead if necessary.
What was the point of coming out of the EU otherwise?

Problem you've got is that the leaders of the Leave camp - Johnson, Gove, Hannan, etc. - do not agree. They just want to be able to control immigration, but not reduce it.

And given the nature of the referendum, they can argue they have a democratic mandate to pursue that aim. The population wasn't asked why they wanted to come out of Europe, just whether they did.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Jun 16 2.56pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But if so many members would want to restrict freedom of movement, then it must be a flawed policy.

It is, for nations, but for the EU corporate entities and national governments, its a great policy.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Jun 16 2.59pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We have a problem.

The country by majority wants to curb immigration and break free from the dictate of Europe.
The men who are negotiating the way forward are pro European Union. This is not acceptable.
We need people from the Leave camp to negotiate for us and take the tough decisions and the hard road ahead if necessary.
What was the point of coming out of the EU otherwise?

This is why an election is needed. We had the Leave or Stay, but if we don't have an election based on how to leave, then we just end up back at square one with unrepresentative governance, from a distanced, self interested elite.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 16 3.07pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It is, for nations, but for the EU corporate entities and national governments, its a great policy.

Exactly. Hopefully Britain will lead the way for other countries to say no to this madness via the ballot box.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 16 3.18pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

This is why an election is needed. We had the Leave or Stay, but if we don't have an election based on how to leave, then we just end up back at square one with unrepresentative governance, from a distanced, self interested elite.

An election now could see one or more parties campaigning with the promise of doing what many Brexiters wanted in the first place.
How can we trust them to deliver on election promises?
I see UKIP taking a much bigger chunk of the vote but we still have the bloody SNP making life difficult.
I dread to think how much political upheavel this country will be in if a new government tries to go back on an election promise to curb migration at all costs within out exit negotiation.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 29 Jun 16 3.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

An election now could see one or more parties campaigning with the promise of doing what many Brexiters wanted in the first place.
How can we trust them to deliver on election promises?
I see UKIP taking a much bigger chunk of the vote but we still have the bloody SNP making life difficult.
I dread to think how much political upheavel this country will be in if a new government tries to go back on an election promise to curb migration at all costs within out exit negotiation.

I think the poison dwarf has problems with her keepin membership of the union on their own without us:
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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 16 3.37pm

Originally posted by susmik

I think the poison dwarf has problems with her keepin membership of the union on their own without us:
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I can;t really believe she thinks Scotland can remain in the EU. It's just politics.
If you vote in a referendum you know the rules. You can't just cry foul afterwards because you don;t like the result. There is no justification for another Scottish independence referendum either. The original one was decided knowing that a future EU referendum could see a vote for Brexit. It's all just SNP self serving bulls***.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 29 Jun 16 3.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I can;t really believe she thinks Scotland can remain in the EU. It's just politics.
If you vote in a referendum you know the rules. You can't just cry foul afterwards because you don;t like the result. There is no justification for another Scottish independence referendum either. The original one was decided knowing that a future EU referendum could see a vote for Brexit. It's all just SNP self serving bulls***.

You hit the nail on the head there and I would think it would be political suicide if the Poison dwarf called for one. SNP have to be very careful what they do now as the people of Scotland voted to stick with us because all the promises Alex Salmond made at the time were proved fruitless as we all found out when oil dropped in price by over half. The Scottish need us for our money!!

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 29 Jun 16 4.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I can;t really believe she thinks Scotland can remain in the EU. It's just politics.
If you vote in a referendum you know the rules. You can't just cry foul afterwards because you don;t like the result. There is no justification for another Scottish independence referendum either. The original one was decided knowing that a future EU referendum could see a vote for Brexit. It's all just SNP self serving bulls***.

Well that and the fact that Scotland overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, which is now a contradictory state to the outcome of the previous referendum. Now that doesn't mean that Scotland would vote independence either, but its now a choice between the Union and the EU.

And going into negotiations and getting policy through parliament, those SNP seats in the commons could be a major problem, if they join with the Remain MPs, who seem to be something of a majority (very few MPs seem to have been campaigning for a leave).

They could definitely see us off at the pass, by blocking parliamentary efforts to leave, as well as negotiations in trade etc.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 29 Jun 16 4.05pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well that and the fact that Scotland overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, which is now a contradictory state to the outcome of the previous referendum. Now that doesn't mean that Scotland would vote independence either, but its now a choice between the Union and the EU.

And going into negotiations and getting policy through parliament, those SNP seats in the commons could be a major problem, if they join with the Remain MPs, who seem to be something of a majority (very few MPs seem to have been campaigning for a leave).

They could definitely see us off at the pass, by blocking parliamentary efforts to leave, as well as negotiations in trade etc.

Don't you think the remains would respect the result of the referendum?

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Jun 16 4.08pm

What happened to all of the things that the leave camp said the EU were supposed to be keeping under wraps until the day after the referendum?

 

blackpalacefan Flag 29 Jun 16 4.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We have a problem.

The country by majority wants to curb immigration and break free from the dictate of Europe.
The men who are negotiating the way forward are pro European Union. This is not acceptable.
We need people from the Leave camp to negotiate for us and take the tough decisions and the hard road ahead if necessary.
What was the point of coming out of the EU otherwise?

That's why Nigel has been kicked ti the curb and will take no part in negotiations. The whole thing is pretty much panning out as people said it would.

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 29 Jun 16 4.16pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well that and the fact that Scotland overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, which is now a contradictory state to the outcome of the previous referendum. Now that doesn't mean that Scotland would vote independence either, but its now a choice between the Union and the EU.

And going into negotiations and getting policy through parliament, those SNP seats in the commons could be a major problem, if they join with the Remain MPs, who seem to be something of a majority (very few MPs seem to have been campaigning for a leave).

They could definitely see us off at the pass, by blocking parliamentary efforts to leave, as well as negotiations in trade etc.

And that's precisely what'll happen. The Remain camp are saying that the referendum was 'only advisory' and MPs will indeed block Brexit.

They dangled the carrot of 'democracy' in front of the proles, got a result they didn't particularly care for and now they will swiftly take it away again.

C*nts.

 


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blackpalacefan Flag 29 Jun 16 4.20pm

England and Wales should leave the United Kingdom and Scotland can stay and keep its EU membership haha. There will be no UK before long at this rate, so it makes little difference.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 16 4.33pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well that and the fact that Scotland overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU, which is now a contradictory state to the outcome of the previous referendum. Now that doesn't mean that Scotland would vote independence either, but its now a choice between the Union and the EU.

And going into negotiations and getting policy through parliament, those SNP seats in the commons could be a major problem, if they join with the Remain MPs, who seem to be something of a majority (very few MPs seem to have been campaigning for a leave).

They could definitely see us off at the pass, by blocking parliamentary efforts to leave, as well as negotiations in trade etc.

Quite. And that would be political hypocrisy of the worst kind.
In one way it would be better for the Tories if they appointed an unelected body overseen by Leavers to negotiate an exit on the terms most Leavers want. That would potentially be very advantageous for them at the next election. It could stop a UKIP surge and finish of Labour who would obviously also be making all kinds of promises if we had an election now.
The question is would the party favour that self servicing tactic over trying to retain membership of the single market along with freedom of movement and risk losing more seats in Parliament. If Corbyn goes then Labour could also lie there way back to contention.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Jun 2016 4.34pm)

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 29 Jun 16 4.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Quite. And that would be political hypocrisy of the worst kind.
In one way it would be better for the Tories if they appointed an unelected body overseen by Leavers to negotiate an exit on the terms most Leavers want. That would potentially be very advantageous for them at the next election. It could stop a UKIP surge and finish of Labour who would obviously also be making all kinds of promises if we had an election now.
The question is would the party favour that self servicing tactic over trying to retain membership of the single market along with freedom of movement and risk losing more seats in Parliament. If Corbyn goes then Labour could also lie there way back to contention.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Jun 2016 4.34pm)

More importantly, I always think of a bearded, bespectacled Antipodean sex offender when I see you have posted.

That's right: Vinegar tits.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Jun 16 4.42pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

More importantly, I always think of a bearded, bespectacled Antipodean sex offender when I see you have posted.

That's right: Vinegar tits.

Have you been in the pub per chance?

 

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