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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 25 Jun 14 1.36pm

Quote dannyh at 25 Jun 2014 10.17am

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 7.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 7.16pm

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

HAHAHAH come on Kerm that was quite funny


I never kiss, it costs extra.


 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 25 Jun 14 1.53pm

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Quote dannyh at 25 Jun 2014 10.17am

Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 7.27pm

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Quote bright&wright at 24 Jun 2014 5.41pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Jun 2014 9.57am

Forget the muslim extremists we have the old dears and codgers, mums and a few lairy types within Unite Against Fascism to worry about.

The Far Right with their xenophobia and hate do not like them, do they?

Wonder which side our WW2 soldiers would have been on given the choice?

Edited by Kermit8 (24 Jun 2014 9.58am)


When Palace were at home to Utd earlier this season you were on here talking about Uganda.

Sums you up.

But hey, stay positive, one day you'll move out of your mums house and kiss a girl, you really will.

Young Poster of the Year Award in the bag I reckon for you B & W.


I stand corrected. You'll never kiss a girl.

HAHAHAH come on Kerm that was quite funny



Agreed. If I were 13.

Oooooooooo get you miserbale git.


We definitely need a handbag smiley.

What about an "i've just been had up by a youngun because I was being ever so slightly precious". Smiley


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Superb reply too

Edited by Kermit8 (25 Jun 2014 1.55pm)

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Jun 14 5.58pm

Maybe the rise of Nationalist parties in much of Europe, and far-right openly National Socialist parties in Eastern Europe, Austria and Germany is the new Nazi?

I went to a Terry Eagleton (he is a marxist academic, historian, literary critic and social commentator) paper a couple of years ago where he suggested that Islam and the 'War on Teror' can perhaps be equated to the new 'cold war'.
To wrongly sum up his argument, he theorised that the 'West' needed an enemy to continue the capitalist, industrial complex, high defence spending and monitoring of its people that the 'Western' governments and companies required to continue with their hegemony over the rest of the world.
In looking for a new scare after the fall of the USSR the agents of government needed to look no further than the East again. This time in the guise of the muslims, who even more luckily for the west, also had rich pickings of natural resources to steal at the same time, whilst lacking the ability to defend themselves against the mighty USA.
I thought the lefties on here might like this. To an extent I agree but as I don't like Terry Eagleton at all then I am largely ambivalent. Admittedly, he does have rather a catchy name for an academic but I can't quite put my finger on why.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Jun 14 6.14pm

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Jun 2014 5.58pm

Maybe the rise of Nationalist parties in much of Europe, and far-right openly National Socialist parties in Eastern Europe, Austria and Germany is the new Nazi?

I went to a Terry Eagleton (he is a marxist academic, historian, literary critic and social commentator) paper a couple of years ago where he suggested that Islam and the 'War on Teror' can perhaps be equated to the new 'cold war'.
To wrongly sum up his argument, he theorised that the 'West' needed an enemy to continue the capitalist, industrial complex, high defence spending and monitoring of its people that the 'Western' governments and companies required to continue with their hegemony over the rest of the world.
In looking for a new scare after the fall of the USSR the agents of government needed to look no further than the East again. This time in the guise of the muslims, who even more luckily for the west, also had rich pickings of natural resources to steal at the same time, whilst lacking the ability to defend themselves against the mighty USA.
I thought the lefties on here might like this. To an extent I agree but as I don't like Terry Eagleton at all then I am largely ambivalent. Admittedly, he does have rather a catchy name for an academic but I can't quite put my finger on why.


Well he's talking out of his backside.....But at least no lizards have put in an appearance.

 


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ghosteagle Flag 25 Jun 14 6.23pm

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Jun 2014 5.58pm

Maybe the rise of Nationalist parties in much of Europe, and far-right openly National Socialist parties in Eastern Europe, Austria and Germany is the new Nazi?

I went to a Terry Eagleton (he is a marxist academic, historian, literary critic and social commentator) paper a couple of years ago where he suggested that Islam and the 'War on Teror' can perhaps be equated to the new 'cold war'.
To wrongly sum up his argument, he theorised that the 'West' needed an enemy to continue the capitalist, industrial complex, high defence spending and monitoring of its people that the 'Western' governments and companies required to continue with their hegemony over the rest of the world.
In looking for a new scare after the fall of the USSR the agents of government needed to look no further than the East again. This time in the guise of the muslims, who even more luckily for the west, also had rich pickings of natural resources to steal at the same time, whilst lacking the ability to defend themselves against the mighty USA.
I thought the lefties on here might like this. To an extent I agree but as I don't like Terry Eagleton at all then I am largely ambivalent. Admittedly, he does have rather a catchy name for an academic but I can't quite put my finger on why.

I thought that the Nazi party was illegal in Germany & Austria?

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 25 Jun 14 6.37pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jun 2014 6.14pm

Quote ASCPFC at 25 Jun 2014 5.58pm

Maybe the rise of Nationalist parties in much of Europe, and far-right openly National Socialist parties in Eastern Europe, Austria and Germany is the new Nazi?

I went to a Terry Eagleton (he is a marxist academic, historian, literary critic and social commentator) paper a couple of years ago where he suggested that Islam and the 'War on Teror' can perhaps be equated to the new 'cold war'.
To wrongly sum up his argument, he theorised that the 'West' needed an enemy to continue the capitalist, industrial complex, high defence spending and monitoring of its people that the 'Western' governments and companies required to continue with their hegemony over the rest of the world.
In looking for a new scare after the fall of the USSR the agents of government needed to look no further than the East again. This time in the guise of the muslims, who even more luckily for the west, also had rich pickings of natural resources to steal at the same time, whilst lacking the ability to defend themselves against the mighty USA.
I thought the lefties on here might like this. To an extent I agree but as I don't like Terry Eagleton at all then I am largely ambivalent. Admittedly, he does have rather a catchy name for an academic but I can't quite put my finger on why.


Well he's talking out of his backside.....But at least no lizards have put in an appearance.

I'm not sure if you're referring to an ex Coventry keeper or posted here instead if the Mary Jane thread.

 

reborn 30 Jun 14 1.23pm

Islam as practiced by ISIS has a very good shout as the 'New Nazi'

Wow, what a bunch of crazees they are.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Jul 14 4.32pm

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Seems that a mail journo is posing as a Muslim to stir up racial hatred...

 

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jul 14 4.58pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 4.32pm

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Seems that a mail journo is posing as a Muslim to stir up racial hatred...


I'm not sure where the charge of stirring up 'racial hatred' comes from.

Someone was engaging in illiterate investigative journalism and was found out.....That's pretty much it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2014 4.58pm)

 


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smirnoff Flag Guildford 06 Jul 14 5.07pm

Yes, I think the whole muslim extremism has got waaaaaay out of hand now! It's got to the point now where this country isn't able to do anything about it, and that to me is really scary!

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Jul 14 5.11pm

If you have people posing as extremists, they will incite racial hatred. How many other similar pieces of 'investigative' journalism have there been, stoking hatred?
Seems attacks on muslims(particularly women) has increased a lot lately. Posting s***e like the journo wrote will only exacerbate the problem.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jul 14 5.55pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 5.11pm

If you have people posing as extremists, they will incite racial hatred. How many other similar pieces of 'investigative' journalism have there been, stoking hatred?
Seems attacks on muslims(particularly women) has increased a lot lately. Posting s***e like the journo wrote will only exacerbate the problem.


How does it 'stroke racial hatred'?

So investigating Islamic forums isn't allowed?

If there is no story to be found then there is no story. If there is a story then the Mail can publish and if their report is found to contain serious lies then I'm sure the Muslim council are well within their rights to take them to court....And if they had a case I'd support them.

However no group should be 'off limits' to investigation, especially a group that conservative estimates have said has 500 young men fighting aboard for an anti democratic extremist group.

Racial Hatred? I see no claim by anyone that picks on all Muslims.

This is just a ham fisted hack who's been found out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2014 5.58pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Jul 14 6.12pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Jul 2014 5.55pm

Quote nickgusset at 06 Jul 2014 5.11pm

If you have people posing as extremists, they will incite racial hatred. How many other similar pieces of 'investigative' journalism have there been, stoking hatred?
Seems attacks on muslims(particularly women) has increased a lot lately. Posting s***e like the journo wrote will only exacerbate the problem.


How does it 'stroke racial hatred'?

So investigating Islamic forums isn't allowed?

If there is no story to be found then there is no story. If there is a story then the Mail can publish and if their report is found to contain serious lies then I'm sure the Muslim council are well within their rights to take them to court....And if they had a case I'd support them.

However no group should be 'off limits' to investigation, especially a group that conservative estimates have said has 500 young men fighting aboard for an anti democratic extremist group.

Racial Hatred? I see no claim by anyone that picks on all Muslims.

This is just a ham fisted hack who's been found out.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2014 5.58pm)

Stroking? Aboard?
Seriously, I think posting pro jihadist stiff on Twitter when you are a journalist is out of order. Tweets like that would be used by the likes of Britain First for anti islamophobic reasons.

 

Dweeb Flag East London 07 Jul 14 8.57am

Funny how all us non-religious types manage to get on OK without entering to inter or intra-sectarian based mass killings, but citicse religion and the proverbial "all hell breaks lose".

Why not cancel all relgion?

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 07 Jul 14 9.12am

Quote Dweeb at 07 Jul 2014 8.57am

Funny how all us non-religious types manage to get on OK without entering to inter or intra-sectarian based mass killings, but citicse religion and the proverbial "all hell breaks lose".

Why not cancel all relgion?


Stalin's purges and Pol Pot's atrocities were all committed by 'non religious types'. These are two are largest mass murders in history. Unfortunately, 'non religious types' are just as keen to murder people as some fanatical religious types.

Edited by matt_himself (07 Jul 2014 9.13am)

 


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bright&wright Flag 07 Jul 14 9.35am

Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 9.12am

Quote Dweeb at 07 Jul 2014 8.57am

Funny how all us non-religious types manage to get on OK without entering to inter or intra-sectarian based mass killings, but citicse religion and the proverbial "all hell breaks lose".

Why not cancel all relgion?


Stalin's purges and Pol Pot's atrocities were all committed by 'non religious types'. These are two are largest mass murders in history. Unfortunately, 'non religious types' are just as keen to murder people as some fanatical religious types.

Edited by matt_himself (07 Jul 2014 9.13am)


They were both communists so I'd lump them in the same ranks as religious nutters.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 07 Jul 14 10.03am

Quote matt_himself at 07 Jul 2014 9.12am

Quote Dweeb at 07 Jul 2014 8.57am

Funny how all us non-religious types manage to get on OK without entering to inter or intra-sectarian based mass killings, but citicse religion and the proverbial "all hell breaks lose".

Why not cancel all relgion?


Stalin's purges and Pol Pot's atrocities were all committed by 'non religious types'. These are two are largest mass murders in history. Unfortunately, 'non religious types' are just as keen to murder people as some fanatical religious types.

Edited by matt_himself (07 Jul 2014 9.13am)

Technically Pol Pot is among the most genocidal of Genocides, not necessarily for numbers but for the percentage of the population (over half the adult population).

I wouldn't generally say the genocide is a particularly religious trait, historically purges, inquisitions and the like were conducted to political purposes rather than religious ones. The justification was simply religious sectarianism.


 


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Red-Blue-Yellow Flag Surrey 07 Jul 14 11.11am

For what it's worth:
All 'extremist' positions are pervertions...
ISIS and other such groups are pervertions of Islam.
Souther Baptists etc are pervertions of Christianity.
Modern Israel is a pervertion of Judaism.
Communism is a pervertion of Socialism.
Naziism is a pervertion of Nationalism.
Even the near extinction of Native Americans can be seen as a pervertion of Colonialism.
By the same logic, the 'New World Order' of Global Capitalism is a pervertion of Feudalism.

Everything in moderation would be a good watch word for a sane planet...but we humans are prone to taking things too far and seeing things in terms of absolutes, we pervert logic,science, even 'common sense', for our own ends; which usually only amount to greed and lust motivated by ignorance, fear of 'the other' and our impotence in the face of natural forces and our own mortality.
These behaviours are essentially immature and like most immature actions, they will haunt us and exact a price on future generations.

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 07 Jul 14 11.28am

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 07 Jul 2014 11.11am

For what it's worth:
All 'extremist' positions are pervertions...
ISIS and other such groups are pervertions of Islam.
Souther Baptists etc are pervertions of Christianity.
Modern Israel is a pervertion of Judaism.
Communism is a pervertion of Socialism.
Naziism is a pervertion of Nationalism.
Even the near extinction of Native Americans can be seen as a pervertion of Colonialism.
By the same logic, the 'New World Order' of Global Capitalism is a pervertion of Feudalism.

Everything in moderation would be a good watch word for a sane planet...but we humans are prone to taking things too far and seeing things in terms of absolutes, we pervert logic,science, even 'common sense', for our own ends; which usually only amount to greed and lust motivated by ignorance, fear of 'the other' and our impotence in the face of natural forces and our own mortality.
These behaviours are essentially immature and like most immature actions, they will haunt us and exact a price on future generations.


I like your posts on the whole, but come on, this is bollocks.

We set our arbitrary measures on what is 'extreme' on either side, then kid ourselves that there is some mathematical mid-point we can work out and say that's what we should do.

Take your point about Colonialism and the Native Americans. I assume you didn't, but someone could suggest the extremities on offer are: no Colonialism, or extinction of a whole race. Thus the moderate position may be said to be moderate Colonialism, but were China to march troops in to Parliament and declare that we were now under their benevolent rule, I imagine the reaction on HOL would not be 'oh well, at least they acted in moderation'.

Back to the thread point, I find the whole thing f*cking depressing. It's like Islam is some new idea which has only just found credence and is now going to take over the world, rape your kids and punch your wife in the face. It's been around for millennia and, like other ideologies, had and has some nutters connected to it, but actually on the whole it's also done a lot of good and the only person suffering from you pissing your knickers over it is yourself.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 07 Jul 14 11.57am

Travelling around Turkey and Andalucía I couldn't help but be struck by how beautiful Islamic architecture is and what clever fvckers they were with their irrigation, artwork, science and writings when we were still knee deep in mud and living under straw.

Pity some of them still live in the 15th century mentally.

Edited by Kermit8 (07 Jul 2014 11.58am)

 


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