What? Giving Hell a bad name?

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

I don't give a monkeys. I don't do political correctness. And 'Multi culti' is a p155 taking phrase.

Ok, I was being a tad facetious, but that comment way back about 'no one who understands economics would be a socialist' stuck with me mainly because of the incredible arrogance of it.

Anyway, back to the point at hand. I have two questions to raise:

1) Which of Corbyn's policies is so particularly dream-world and ultra-lefty that it hasn't been the policy of at least one elected UK government of the past 50 years?

2) To the Blairites on here and those who think Labour only have a chance with a centrist in power, what exactly has Blairism won in the past decade? Since 2005 it's been defeated in at least one general election, taken apart in Scotland earlier this year, lost the London mayoral election and continually lost ground in the European elections. Maybe it isn't Corbyn, but centre-leftism which is the dying ideology?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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The 'People's QE' thing isn't THAT absurd. (Not like that 'citizen's income' which really was nuts.) It's just supply-side stimulus.

Personally, I wouldn't trust the people whom Corbyn wants to give the money to - ie, local government and a "Green Investment Bank" aka government stooge bank - to spend it wisely (think Kid's Company multiplied by a billion). But that's politics not economics.

I also don't think there's that much difference between "People's QE" and the PPI payouts (which I'm still convinced was a secret government project to hand out free money to spendthrift idiots to pump-prime the economy).

I think it would be pretty mad to do "People's QE" now though, after however many hundreds of billions they've ALREADY pumped into the economy.

And I am very worried by the blasé way the Corbynites talk about inflation and devaluation, as though we need more of it and isn't it rather a good thing and oh, let's not worry about inflation and devaluation, old boy, silly minor things, what.

If you lose control of inflation (and IMO it's debatable whether the BofE knows what it's doing with QE) it can get VERY messy, VERY quickly.

And currency devaluation is almost always a major trauma with unforeseen circumstances. It was in 1949 and 1967 and it certainly was in 1992. I would be VERY worried indeed by anyone - lefty or non-lefty - who was as blasé towards inflation and devaluation as Serial Thriller and Jeremy Corbyn's economic advisers appear to be.

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Where are you getting this idea that Im being blasé? All I've done I pointed out that Corbyn's economic policies are a simple 21st century rehash of Keynesianism, which the Americans and us used post-war and the Chinese are currently attempting too. Stimulating economic growth, attracting investment and paying off debts at a faster rate than we are now: Where's the ambivalence in that?

In fact it I surely far easier to argue that current economic policy is more blasé than what corbyn I proposing. We currently have a stand off where QE is being used by almost every major economy in the world, thus limiting the benefits it achieved for us and the US when we began it. Interests rates are almost 0, and when they inevitably start rising again you're going to see a hell of a knock on effect. We're now seeing economies running out of tricks to stimulate themselves, and in the UK, declining productivity, an ageing population and low wages mean the medium term is looking bleak for us.

We aren't talking about Zimbabwean inflation - although undoubtedly it will be a scare tactic used by the right - because QE's trick I to recoup money from sector's that dont match the growth of, say, Corbyn's infrastructure policy. And we certainly aren't anywhere near talking about economic policies anywhere close to Socialist or Marxist.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Anyone who defends pigeons is clearly a lunatic and boycotting French produce is just what Putin has done.

Marks for the smoking ban though.

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I think it's an attempt to ridicule him but doesn't really work because the motions are not as absurd as they would ideally have liked them to be.

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I think a lot of lefties must actually prefer a Tory government, because it means they can spend all day ranting and posting on social media about how 'unfeeling' and 'cruel' they are.

Then they vote in someone like Corbyn because it makes them feel good about their 'principles'.

And when there's a Tory landslide, they blame the Murdoch press. And tell themselves that the electorate really wants socialism but is denied it by 'the establishment'. Or that voters aren't as clever or enlightened as us lefties with our 'correct' world view.

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I'd say maybe about half of the electorate who actually vote pay no attention to politics until a couple of months before the election, when they tend to pick either red or blue. The rest tend to be stuck in their ways and will argue all day about politics without ever changing their vote.

It's the swing voters who decide the election, and they will simply hear "more taxes" and vote blue. I don't know how many times Labour need to get spanked at an election with a lefty leader before they realise it only spells Conservative victories. Unless, of course, Jonny Eagles is right which I suspect he is. Lefties love a whinge.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.