Antifa were at that rally.....they follow the fascists around all the time. And they were involved in violence.

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Does that look like local people to you?

This was a fight waiting to happen and it's only going to get worse.

Watch the link posted in my previous post...Antifa block the road and throw the first punch.

It most definitely was violence from both sides. These were extremists doing what extremists do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2017 11.09am)

'Throw the first punch'? Your telling of what you're seeing is hilarious. Simultaneously there was a man in a shield ramming into people. You cannot even tell from that clip who threw the first punch, and besides, there are men with shields and in helmets approaching a group of people. Why exactly? Come on. I suppose those carrying torches are just keeping themselves warm and the guy ramming a car into the crowd just wanted someone to clean his windscreen.

Mmmm...I think you are perhaps getting emotional because I'm showing you proof running counter to the narrative. The first punch is clearly from the activists blocking the path.

But as I've said, I agree the far right were quite prepared or wanting a punch up and so were antifa.

Would you want fascists marching through Wisbech? What about other Wisbechians?

I'm pretty sure many would say I ain't having that and turn out to stop them.

No, I read your post. I agreed with a lot of it.

Obviously though, I felt your emphasized 'local people' which I felt...well I'm hearing people say this and it's not really the case...Sure everything is to a scale but much of the violence in Charlottesville was from outsiders, both far right and left coming into town for essentially a punch up....all for the media to lap up and feed off....the media indirectly cause the scale to increase.

Yep, the far right were there for a punch up. Previous situations at Berkeley and Boston where antifa were essentially using violence to achieve their aims has led to this.....All rallies are now coming with tools....guns? Well...it's inevitable.

Having said this, I think it's completely valid to recognise that the far right are a violent group, that while rarely working together commit crimes and violence in the US that should be condemned and recognised....In America they are a larger problem than here and they spring from problematical ideologies rooted in America independence from government......not a problem on a low level, but taken to extremes very much a problem.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2017 11.27am)

Well the far right are arseholees I suspect many of them probably hit women.

Yep, they were prepared. It's important to see this confrontation within the context of the last few months. These idiots on the far right think they are defending something as do these antifa idiots.

In the meantime the normal left and right discuss and try to find solutions that normal people can live with.

If people want to protest, they should...protest and obey the law. The Police should arrest people who get out of line.....Personally I don't know why groups are allowed to walk through towns so obviously tooled up...but this is America.

Disagreement is fine, violence is complete failure. People need to come together and find solutions not tool up.....But I honestly think you have that percentage of people who like the drama of it.....It makes them feel important....like they are doing something.

These morons are a tiny tiny number of people and all this gets blown up.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2017 11.56am)

Well the far right are arseholees I suspect many of them probably hit women.

Yep, they were prepared. It's important to see this confrontation within the context of the last few months. These idiots on the far right think they are defending something as do these antifa idiots.

In the meantime the normal left and right discuss and try to find solutions that normal people can live with.

If people want to protest, they should...protest and obey the law. The Police should arrest people who get out of line.....Personally I don't know why groups are allowed to walk through towns so obviously tooled up...but this is America.

Disagreement is fine, violence is complete failure. People need to come together and find solutions not tool up.....But I honestly think you have that percentage of people who like the drama of it.....It makes them feel important....like they are doing something.

These morons are a tiny tiny number of people and all this gets blown up.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2017 11.56am)

There are close to 1000 known hate groups in america, ones specifically race related in the three figure rage. Many with hundreds of members. Many of these groups are now joining forces. I think it's easy to confuse 'not a problem' with 'not a problem for me'.

I do agree with you have some latch on. Not those joining these groups, but people turning up to events when they are a focal point and so on. That happens on both sides I believe.

Well the far right are arseholees I suspect many of them probably hit women.

Yep, they were prepared. It's important to see this confrontation within the context of the last few months. These idiots on the far right think they are defending something as do these antifa idiots.

In the meantime the normal left and right discuss and try to find solutions that normal people can live with.

If people want to protest, they should...protest and obey the law. The Police should arrest people who get out of line.....Personally I don't know why groups are allowed to walk through towns so obviously tooled up...but this is America.

Disagreement is fine, violence is complete failure. People need to come together and find solutions not tool up.....But I honestly think you have that percentage of people who like the drama of it.....It makes them feel important....like they are doing something.