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Oddball2021 Adelaide 13 May 23 6.35am
Let's all have a discussion on whether we should punish someone for what they said.
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Adelaide 13 May 23 6.35am

Let's all have a discussion on whether we should punish someone for what they said.

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Davepalace707 Northumberland 13 May 23 6.42am
Thank god there’s a football match on today
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Northumberland 13 May 23 6.42am

Thank god there’s a football match on today

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YT Oxford 13 May 23 7.20am
Originally posted by Davepalace707 Thank god there’s a football match on today Mods - ban him for life for blasphemy. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 13 May 23 7.20am

Originally posted by Davepalace707

Thank god there’s a football match on today

Mods - ban him for life for blasphemy.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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footythoughts Beckenham 13 May 23 8.34am
Originally posted by cryrst It’s just an observation but son does actually look different to the average indigenous white westerner. Doesn’t need showing granted but Is that racist to state what I see ? While I'm sure your thought comes from a good place, in the Son incident it was done in an angry, aggressive and deameaning manner with the purpose of causing offense and getting a reaction (which it did), that's abundantly clear from the footage. That's not how you behave towards someone and doesn't leave much room for a get out. It clearly wasn't meant as a joke or sincere and sober examination of physical difference. We've had ever get out going stated at someone was who is clearly just a bit of a d!ck either when drunk, or in general. The most conjured up has to be 'what if he has special needs'. Of course, many special needs people 'look different' also. We could angrily mock them too in a rage while at the special Olympics perhaps and see what the response is; I doubt a positive one in that scenario either. We should ask ourselves why we're so desperate to make excuses for this person. From 'personas' mashing the report button, it's clearly not a 'freedom of speech' or 'truth' issue. To a barrage of 'what ifs' with little basis in reality at the guys conduct. Ultimately, if a person angrily racially abuses someone to their face, and does so in front of numerous cameras in front of a worldwide TV audience there is likely going to be a consequence for that. If the guy can't operate in the real world, he'd best watch at home until he can rather than damage the image of the club.
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Beckenham 13 May 23 8.34am

Originally posted by cryrst

It’s just an observation but son does actually look different to the average indigenous white westerner. Doesn’t need showing granted but Is that racist to state what I see ?

While I'm sure your thought comes from a good place, in the Son incident it was done in an angry, aggressive and deameaning manner with the purpose of causing offense and getting a reaction (which it did), that's abundantly clear from the footage. That's not how you behave towards someone and doesn't leave much room for a get out.

It clearly wasn't meant as a joke or sincere and sober examination of physical difference. We've had ever get out going stated at someone was who is clearly just a bit of a d!ck either when drunk, or in general. The most conjured up has to be 'what if he has special needs'. Of course, many special needs people 'look different' also. We could angrily mock them too in a rage while at the special Olympics perhaps and see what the response is; I doubt a positive one in that scenario either.

We should ask ourselves why we're so desperate to make excuses for this person. From 'personas' mashing the report button, it's clearly not a 'freedom of speech' or 'truth' issue. To a barrage of 'what ifs' with little basis in reality at the guys conduct. Ultimately, if a person angrily racially abuses someone to their face, and does so in front of numerous cameras in front of a worldwide TV audience there is likely going to be a consequence for that. If the guy can't operate in the real world, he'd best watch at home until he can rather than damage the image of the club.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 May 23 1.16pm
Originally posted by footythoughts Where some have ego and self worth set in the need to feel superior to certain groups, it is indeed unfortunately too much to ask. That will be true a percentage and you can readily tell who by where their focus habitually lies. Such people are certainly one facet of those most obsessed by this stadium ban. Those questioning the severity of the ban of course make a reasonable point about how seriously or otherwise it should be treated though. I'd say Hrolf certainly has a point regarding commercial interests, but it's worth considering that there can be both local and global aspects to that. Locally I wouldn't automatically assume that the majority of fans are happy with this man's behaviour - we're hardly in cross section territory here. Ultimately, nobody with any sense wants bellends like this popping up every time we're playing doing racially abusive faces as way of reflecting the clubs and its values. We're better than that. He should slink off for a while and learn some basic values and common decency. Edited by footythoughts (13 May 2023 1.10am) I don't expect most people are approving of dumb arse behaviour. The issue is not whether silly insults are socially acceptable, it whether we are being indoctrinated to accept that race related insults are more significant than any other and that Draconian attitudes toward these kinds of petty misdemeanours are actually in our best interests. I'd say that our attitudes in this country are being perverted for an agenda that has nothing to do with the good of society or the benefit of the vast majority. It is about money and votes. Never mind being banned from football. When you can be imprisoned for words or gestures, society has lost the plot. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 May 2023 1.17pm)
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Originally posted by footythoughts

Where some have ego and self worth set in the need to feel superior to certain groups, it is indeed unfortunately too much to ask. That will be true a percentage and you can readily tell who by where their focus habitually lies. Such people are certainly one facet of those most obsessed by this stadium ban. Those questioning the severity of the ban of course make a reasonable point about how seriously or otherwise it should be treated though.

I'd say Hrolf certainly has a point regarding commercial interests, but it's worth considering that there can be both local and global aspects to that. Locally I wouldn't automatically assume that the majority of fans are happy with this man's behaviour - we're hardly in cross section territory here. Ultimately, nobody with any sense wants bellends like this popping up every time we're playing doing racially abusive faces as way of reflecting the clubs and its values. We're better than that. He should slink off for a while and learn some basic values and common decency.

Edited by footythoughts (13 May 2023 1.10am)

I don't expect most people are approving of dumb arse behaviour.

The issue is not whether silly insults are socially acceptable, it whether we are being indoctrinated to accept that race related insults are more significant than any other and that Draconian attitudes toward these kinds of petty misdemeanours are actually in our best interests.

I'd say that our attitudes in this country are being perverted for an agenda that has nothing to do with the good of society or the benefit of the vast majority. It is about money and votes.

Never mind being banned from football. When you can be imprisoned for words or gestures, society has lost the plot.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 May 2023 1.17pm)

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Davepalace707 Northumberland 14 May 23 1.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't expect most people are approving of dumb arse behaviour. The issue is not whether silly insults are socially acceptable, it whether we are being indoctrinated to accept that race related insults are more significant than any other and that Draconian attitudes toward these kinds of petty misdemeanours are actually in our best interests. I'd say that our attitudes in this country are being perverted for an agenda that has nothing to do with the good of society or the benefit of the vast majority. It is about money and votes. Never mind being banned from football. When you can be imprisoned for words or gestures, society has lost the plot. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 May 2023 1.17pm) Could he go to prison over this?
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Davepalace707

Northumberland 14 May 23 1.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't expect most people are approving of dumb arse behaviour.

I'd say that our attitudes in this country are being perverted for an agenda that has nothing to do with the good of society or the benefit of the vast majority. It is about money and votes.

Never mind being banned from football. When you can be imprisoned for words or gestures, society has lost the plot.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 May 2023 1.17pm)

Could he go to prison over this?

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 May 23 2.02pm
Originally posted by Davepalace707 Could he go to prison over this? I don't want to talk about this specific case in those terms, but I suppose that if someone was arrested and charged with a race related offence, then it is possible.
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Hrolf The Ganger

14 May 23 2.02pm

Originally posted by Davepalace707

Could he go to prison over this?

I don't want to talk about this specific case in those terms, but
I suppose that if someone was arrested and charged with a race related offence, then it is possible.

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JRW2 Dulwich 14 May 23 2.02pm
Originally posted by footythoughts It clearly wasn't meant as a joke or sincere and sober examination of physical difference. We've had ever get out going stated at someone was who is clearly just a bit of a d!ck either when drunk, or in general. The most conjured up has to be 'what if he has special needs'. Of course, many special needs people 'look different' also. We could angrily mock them too in a rage while at the special Olympics perhaps and see what the response is; I doubt a positive one in that scenario either. Translation please.
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Dulwich 14 May 23 2.02pm

Originally posted by footythoughts

It clearly wasn't meant as a joke or sincere and sober examination of physical difference. We've had ever get out going stated at someone was who is clearly just a bit of a d!ck either when drunk, or in general. The most conjured up has to be 'what if he has special needs'. Of course, many special needs people 'look different' also. We could angrily mock them too in a rage while at the special Olympics perhaps and see what the response is; I doubt a positive one in that scenario either.

Translation please.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 May 23 2.37pm
It wasn't just miming a Captain Sensible song? Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 May 23 2.37pm

It wasn't just miming a Captain Sensible song?

Red and Blue Army!

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