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Originally posted by Mattconrov
With regards to Wisbech comments on the banks commercial decision on cancelling Nigel. Firstly "the controversial views" he holds. I would also add that nat west is 45 percent owned by the government for which coutts are part of. I think that's relevant. Having a bank account is not really a choice. What seems to have happened in society is a bait and switch. Get people reliant on Certain things and then take them away for being a non compliant person. You tube did the same thing. Yes there are other platforms. But once banned from you tube you are less relevant. Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 1.15pm) 39% owned by Government I think what grinds many people's gears is that old froggy face is such a smug git. He just likes to pick a fight, it's the only thing he's good at. Meanwhile NatWest makes mad profit and everyone with a mortgage is in the do-do. So instead of addressing the underlying and hugely important issue, froggy face gets everyone distracted on a total side-line that largely is about him. Somehow he managed to do that with Brexit too, convincing fishermen they would get back the quotas they lost (mainly by selling them off) and farmers that the UK version of support would be preferable to the EU version. Neither of those groups sees things quite the same now. And that leaves immigration, where do we start on that one... So he is master at getting others to engage with his own petty little battles whilst Rome, and the planet, burn.
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
I will say that Wisbech has establishment views not controversial by government standard. That's up to him. Not critical of him for that exactly. Myself, I am very controversial. So I'm told. It's not his viewpoint in these current times that are under threat. It's those who question the narrative. Although the cabal will get round to everyone eventually. Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 4.59pm) Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 5.04pm) I don’t think he believes in half of what he says. He’s just a daft provocator really.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
39% owned by Government I think what grinds many people's gears is that old froggy face is such a smug git. He just likes to pick a fight, it's the only thing he's good at. Meanwhile NatWest makes mad profit and everyone with a mortgage is in the do-do. So instead of addressing the underlying and hugely important issue, froggy face gets everyone distracted on a total side-line that largely is about him. Somehow he managed to do that with Brexit too, convincing fishermen they would get back the quotas they lost (mainly by selling them off) and farmers that the UK version of support would be preferable to the EU version. Neither of those groups sees things quite the same now. And that leaves immigration, where do we start on that one... So he is master at getting others to engage with his own petty little battles whilst Rome, and the planet, burn. You talk as though Farage has had any say the way the government has sold out our fishermen and done nothing about immigration. Edited by georgenorman (28 Jul 2023 5.20pm)
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You talk as though Farage has had any say the way the government has sold out our fishermen and done nothing about immigration. Edited by georgenorman (28 Jul 2023 5.20pm) No, I talk as though Farage sold a total fairy tale from start to finish. Some aspects of what he sold people were never at all feasible. Others were never likely due to the politics, especially those surrounding the fractious and factionalised Conservative party. And others because they were always going to do massive damage to the economy and, needless to say, the economy fought back. By the way, would you like to buy a bridge? Or perhaps some double glazing?
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No, I talk as though Farage sold a total fairy tale from start to finish. Some aspects of what he sold people were never at all feasible. Others were never likely due to the politics, especially those surrounding the fractious and factionalised Conservative party. And others because they were always going to do massive damage to the economy and, needless to say, the economy fought back. By the way, would you like to buy a bridge? Or perhaps some double glazing? Having restored the ability for us to elect the people who make the laws that govern us, anything is possible.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Having restored the ability for us to elect the people who make the laws that govern us, anything is possible.
What remainers don't want to talk about is how we were conned back in the early seventies to go into a single market. This then through undemocratic treaties became the monster taking over Europe. People who wanted Brexit (not the government obviously) were not against trading with other European countries. They were against being ruled by a group in Belgium who had become their defacto government.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No, I talk as though Farage sold a total fairy tale from start to finish. Some aspects of what he sold people were never at all feasible. Others were never likely due to the politics, especially those surrounding the fractious and factionalised Conservative party. And others because they were always going to do massive damage to the economy and, needless to say, the economy fought back. By the way, would you like to buy a bridge? Or perhaps some double glazing? Would you like to buy a brain? I hear you can get one via a new African body parts network. Good old immigration.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Would you like to buy a brain? I hear you can get one via a new African body parts network. Good old immigration. If I wanted a new brain I’d go to curry’s like everyone else
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Originally posted by Mapletree
If I wanted a new brain I’d go to curry’s like everyone else That explains a lot.
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
It seems the wider population deem your views to be controversial. Maybe we could do a vote on the HOL. "Are wisbechs views controversial?" Im sure it will be an overwhelming yes. Even at that I would not want you to be banned or have your assets seized, or bank accounts closed. As you have a right to have your views even tho they are controversial and not what the wider population think. Anyways I have really enjoyed your meltdown over Farage so please continue. I have no doubt what the result of a vote on me here would be. Which rather proves my point. My views are very middle of the road, neither left or right. I dislike both extremes. So I disagree. The wider population would be much more in agreement than the majority group here. This place is no more representative of the wider viewpoint than Reform is. Just because Brexit managed to con enough people to pass doesn’t mean those who were mugged by it all think like hard-line Farage puppets.
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
-------------------------------------------------------- I very rarely get involved in these conversations. But I feel compelled to sometimes contribute. Unfortunately both yourself and others become far too emotional when debating. It doesn't need to be personal. I might just add that if people were a little less emotional, your views would be dismantled quite simply. I look forward to chatting with you more. Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 12.48pm) If you feel that a strong dislike of uncaring, hard-right politics and a passion to do a little bit, when I have the time, to pour ridicule on them, is too emotional then I plead guilty. I love my country and want to see it safe and free of prejudice for those who follow me.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It amounts to the same thing as you know full well. They also still exist because of public funds. We all know that you can see the bigger picture, so why not just be a man for a change and admit that this lunacy does not serve the greater good, rather than hide behind mealy mouthed excuses. That the result would have been the same had what you think happened actually been true is totally beside the point. It wasn’t what happened and if it was I would be joining in with the condemnation. That NatWest received a bailout is also irrelevant. They remain a commercial business and not a nationalised one.
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
With regards to Wisbech comments on the banks commercial decision on cancelling Nigel. Firstly "the controversial views" he holds. I would also add that nat west is 45 percent owned by the government for which coutts are part of. I think that's relevant. Having a bank account is not really a choice. What seems to have happened in society is a bait and switch. Get people reliant on Certain things and then take them away for being a non compliant person. You tube did the same thing. Yes there are other platforms. But once banned from you tube you are less relevant. Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 1.15pm) 52% were “persuaded” to vote for Brexit in 2016 in the most stupid political mistake ever made in our country. Something Farage will go down in history as being partially responsible for. How many would vote the same way today? 20%? 30%? 40%? I bet no one would seriously anticipate any higher than 40%! Everyone, me included, wants illegal immigration curtailed. It’s not for commercial businesses to supply essential services to everyone unless so ordered by the government, who have to underwrite the risks involved. That particularity applies to social media companies, especially where there is a lot of competition and no one gets frozen out of speaking their mind. It’s up to each platform to determine its own standards and target its own audience, to achieve the maximum advertising revenue it can. They aren’t public utilities. They are profit making businesses. There are lots of bank accounts available but should it happen that any group of people are unable to secure even a basic service then government intervention could become necessary and make such provision mandatory, probably at a cost. We are though a long way from that point yet.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The key point is that Farage holds views that the majority share. Do you seriously believe that the majority of your fellow citizens agree with Farage’s politics? Seriously? If so you need to get out more.
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
-------------------------------------------------------------- More importantly in my opinion; the people who disagree with Nigel and have the most influence, are the establishment. The people at coutts are on some level being directed. Because it makes absolutely no commercial business sense. See Bud light for more details. Lol I doubt that anyone in the “establishment” were involved. It looks to me like a deliberate attempt to reposition their image. One that backfired in spectacular fashion but whose motivation was pure, albeit not appreciated here.
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Originally posted by palace99
Clearly not as this has been front page news for over a week. This is a nothing story really and should never have been front page news. So true. Farage has been aided and abetted by the right-wing press.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Absolutely. The media and business generally has decided to adopt Marxist ideas whether they realise it or not. They largely control the flow of ideas through news, advertising and fiction. Do you look under your bed for reds before you sleep? You see them everywhere. Is your real name McCarthy?
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
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Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 1.47pm) Edited by Mattconrov (28 Jul 2023 1.49pm) It’s not going to affect anyone else unless they are a PEP who could create image issues for a bank. You are swallowing the bs propaganda fed to you by Farage and spun into outrage by the press.
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Yes, Coutts changed - probably toeing the Woke line propagated by Alison Rose. And I can imagine that whoever instigated NF’s debanking thought that they would enhance their own reputation internally as a result . That you approve of their actions is irrelevant given how the City, the Government and the Regulator has reacted. And what has your last sentence got to do with anything ? As well as being irrelevant, it’s well wide of the mark as I’m a long standing “ client “. As such, my requirements of my bank is to effectively manage my assets and be competitive in terms of service. I don’t require them to make the decision that they have in this case. My guess is that if Coutts could turn the clock back now they would happily do so. Wisbech, I respect your views although I’m not in agreement with them. It’s good to see well articulated debate on here. The City react to negative news. The Government react to political threats. The Regulator reacts to Government instructions. I apologise for suggesting you could not be a client. That some wouldn’t approve was probably understood by the bank but disregarded as that will always be true and they didn’t expect it to become public in the way it did when they took the decision. Thanks for the compliment.
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