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Originally posted by topcat
Good time to watch PM Jim Hacker and Cabinet Secretary Humphrey Appleby discussing this subject 30 years ago Oh well, that is where we have been going wrong. We must base our entire military strategy on an old satirical TV show.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Oh well, that is where we have been going wrong. We must base our entire military strategy on an old satirical TV show. 2:00 mins in nails it.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Please answer sensibly or not at all thank you. Really you are a c**t etc etc please refrain As far as I can see he is the only one answering sensibly, whereas your retorts are idealistic Mung bean munching, hemp wearing, free trade boll1cks. As for the C??t comment I think "pot calling Kettle" suits best.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I understand the basis of the counter argument and I accept that Trident itself is in flexible and needs updating but are you really telling me that in the event of a nuclear stand off, you would rely on other friendly nations to protect us? I harbour no illusions about the likelihood of global disarmament. However, I simply cannot see a scenario in which a nuclear armed state would directly threaten the UK whilst it remained in NATO. None whatsoever. Non state actors acquiring nuclear access isn't in scope as they wouldn't care about retaliation. In my view, there's no military reason for us to spend all that money.
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It really is misplaced idealism to believe that the UK must abandon the ultimate insurance of the UK's nuclear capability.We cannot compromise on our national security when the nuclear threat has increased in an ever increasingly dangerous world.It would be gross irresponsibility to do so and a dereliction of duty.
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
I harbour no illusions about the likelihood of global disarmament. However, I simply cannot see a scenario in which a nuclear armed state would directly threaten the UK whilst it remained in NATO. None whatsoever. Non state actors acquiring nuclear access isn't in scope as they wouldn't care about retaliation. In my view, there's no military reason for us to spend all that money. Aside from a nuclear threat, we are also less likely to be threatened with a conventional attack if we have nukes. As I said, do you want to trust other NATO members to defend us? I am much happier knowing that we can annihilate any potential enemy in an end game scenario and not be bargained away by the USA.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Aside from a nuclear threat, we are also less likely to be threatened with a conventional attack if we have nukes. As I said, do you want to trust other NATO members to defend us? I am much happier knowing that we can annihilate any potential enemy in an end game scenario and not be bargained away by the USA. Indeed - and it would be an abandonment of Britain's friends when the world is getting more and more dangerous.We simply cannot "Outsource" the responsibility we have for keeping the UK safe from such an attack.
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I have just read that the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs select Committee will not be voting with the government tonight. The reason is that the cost of this program is not 31 billions but 179 billions that is before we even start. The PM 'does not accept' that new technologies will affect Trident so she obviously knows what technologies are around in 2050. Back to the drawing board surely but tories will get it through regardless. Harold Wilson would wipe the floor with this PM
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Oh the irony.....
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Originally posted by elgrande
Oh the irony..... Is this not quite obviously this is deliberately ironic? The media have done a pretty standard job on Corbyn. For as long as time, people have been indoctorined against looking out for their fellow prolitariate and been assured that "the man at the top"/big business is good for us, that we are progressive and we should keep our heads down and "get on with it" and "stop bloody moaning". We've been lied to, we've had so much money stolen from us (the quantitive easing which saw the equivilent of £20,000 for every household in the country end up in the hands of the richest 1% within days) and yet no one bats an eyelid. The Media job on Corbs has all the hallmarks of what happened to Harold Wilson when he pissed off Cecil King cos he didn't the specialist treatment he wanted and had to call the wahhhhmbulance. As a result, f***ed our economy and society because of selfish ambitions. Look it up; it's a fascinating story of media manipulation which was nothing other than treason against this country. Corbyn might be wrong on stuff (I agree with quite a lot of he and McDonnells policies, personally, but can understand why some would be apprehensive), but for f*** sakes, stop saying "unelectable" because it's a s*** argument that you didn't even come up with or can even justify in a legible way. Stop thinking in terms of Labour, Conservative, Left and Right and think individually for yourselves. It's not a crime to be wrong. It's an incredibly liberating feeling to break from the contraints of feeling you have to support everything your political affiliates do or say. Have your own thoughts and policies and support what you think is right, not what some self-interested (probably dead-child phone-hacking) newspaper parrots over to you.
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Originally posted by Mr Fenandes
Is this not quite obviously this is deliberately ironic? The media have done a pretty standard job on Corbyn. For as long as time, people have been indoctorined against looking out for their fellow prolitariate and been assured that "the man at the top"/big business is good for us, that we are progressive and we should keep our heads down and "get on with it" and "stop bloody moaning". We've been lied to, we've had so much money stolen from us (the quantitive easing which saw the equivilent of £20,000 for every household in the country end up in the hands of the richest 1% within days) and yet no one bats an eyelid. The Media job on Corbs has all the hallmarks of what happened to Harold Wilson when he pissed off Cecil King cos he didn't the specialist treatment he wanted and had to call the wahhhhmbulance. As a result, f***ed our economy and society because of selfish ambitions. Look it up; it's a fascinating story of media manipulation which was nothing other than treason against this country. Corbyn might be wrong on stuff (I agree with quite a lot of he and McDonnells policies, personally, but can understand why some would be apprehensive), but for f*** sakes, stop saying "unelectable" because it's a s*** argument that you didn't even come up with or can even justify in a legible way. Stop thinking in terms of Labour, Conservative, Left and Right and think individually for yourselves. It's not a crime to be wrong. It's an incredibly liberating feeling to break from the contraints of feeling you have to support everything your political affiliates do or say. Have your own thoughts and policies and support what you think is right, not what some self-interested (probably dead-child phone-hacking) newspaper parrots over to you. Surely by me saying that he is unelectable IS having my own thoughts just as you say ???? Edited by susmik (19 Jul 2016 9.08am)
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Originally posted by Mr Fenandes
Is this not quite obviously this is deliberately ironic? The media have done a pretty standard job on Corbyn. For as long as time, people have been indoctorined against looking out for their fellow prolitariate and been assured that "the man at the top"/big business is good for us, that we are progressive and we should keep our heads down and "get on with it" and "stop bloody moaning". We've been lied to, we've had so much money stolen from us (the quantitive easing which saw the equivilent of £20,000 for every household in the country end up in the hands of the richest 1% within days) and yet no one bats an eyelid. The Media job on Corbs has all the hallmarks of what happened to Harold Wilson when he pissed off Cecil King cos he didn't the specialist treatment he wanted and had to call the wahhhhmbulance. As a result, f***ed our economy and society because of selfish ambitions. Look it up; it's a fascinating story of media manipulation which was nothing other than treason against this country. Corbyn might be wrong on stuff (I agree with quite a lot of he and McDonnells policies, personally, but can understand why some would be apprehensive), but for f*** sakes, stop saying "unelectable" because it's a s*** argument that you didn't even come up with or can even justify in a legible way. Stop thinking in terms of Labour, Conservative, Left and Right and think individually for yourselves. It's not a crime to be wrong. It's an incredibly liberating feeling to break from the contraints of feeling you have to support everything your political affiliates do or say. Have your own thoughts and policies and support what you think is right, not what some self-interested (probably dead-child phone-hacking) newspaper parrots over to you.
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