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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 06 Jun 17 7.43am

Originally posted by serial thriller

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129 economists endorse Labour's manifesto.

This is literally what I mean by smoke and mirrors in political discussion. Fearmongering with absolutely no interest in the facts of the matter. It is, basically, the lying which the poster I quoted expressed irritation about, and I really really hope ordinary people see through it.

We never saw that sort of thing in the Remain's campaign did we.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Jun 17 8.06am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I needed police escorts on a couple of occasions when I was doing home visits when I was a nursery teacher in Woolwich. Nothing to do with Muslims though.

The whataboutery king.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 06 Jun 17 8.28am

Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 for protesting the trial of a group of IRA members, including the Brighton Bomber Patrick Magee. Magee was convicted of murdering five people and the group were convicted of planning a "massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts." After refusing police requests to move from outside the court, Corbyn and the other protesters were arrested for obstruction and held for five hours before being released on bail, but were not charged. In the early 1990s, MI5 opened a file on Corbyn over fears his IRA links meant he could have been a threat to national security.The Metropolitan Police's Special Branch was also monitoring Corbyn at the time. According to Andrew Gilligan in The Sunday Times, following research in Irish and Republican archives, Corbyn was involved in over 72 events connected with Sinn Fein, or other pro-republican groups, during the period of the IRA's paramilitary campaign.
Corbyn supported the campaign to overturn the convictions of Jawad Botmeh and Samar Alami for the 1994 bombing of the Israeli Embassy in London; Botmeh and Alami had admitted possessing explosives and guns but denied they were for use in Britain. The convictions were upheld by the High Court of Justice in 2001 and by the European Court of Human Rights in 2007.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Jun 17 8.36am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 for protesting the trial of a group of IRA members, including the Brighton Bomber Patrick Magee. Magee was convicted of murdering five people and the group were convicted of planning a "massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts." After refusing police requests to move from outside the court, Corbyn and the other protesters were arrested for obstruction and held for five hours before being released on bail, but were not charged. In the early 1990s, MI5 opened a file on Corbyn over fears his IRA links meant he could have been a threat to national security.The Metropolitan Police's Special Branch was also monitoring Corbyn at the time. According to Andrew Gilligan in The Sunday Times, following research in Irish and Republican archives, Corbyn was involved in over 72 events connected with Sinn Fein, or other pro-republican groups, during the period of the IRA's paramilitary campaign.
Corbyn supported the campaign to overturn the convictions of Jawad Botmeh and Samar Alami for the 1994 bombing of the Israeli Embassy in London; Botmeh and Alami had admitted possessing explosives and guns but denied they were for use in Britain. The convictions were upheld by the High Court of Justice in 2001 and by the European Court of Human Rights in 2007.

The public need to know what sort of man is running for PM. It's a disgrace.

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 06 Jun 17 9.20am

Originally posted by serial thriller

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129 economists endorse Labour's manifesto.

This is literally what I mean by smoke and mirrors in political discussion. Fearmongering with absolutely no interest in the facts of the matter. It is, basically, the lying which the poster I quoted expressed irritation about, and I really really hope ordinary people see through it.

Why let facts or expert opinion cloud our judgement? Down with facts and down with experts I say. Bloody know-it-alls.

 

Hansy Flag 06 Jun 17 9.31am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Why let facts or expert opinion cloud our judgement? Down with facts and down with experts I say. Bloody know-it-alls.

Yet the IFS has said the tax hikes won't raise nearly enough to cover the manifesto.

'Lets rip the Tories on their increased debt, whilst we are willing to increase the debt and deficit ourselves'

Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 9.33am)

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jun 17 9.32am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The public need to know what sort of man is running for PM. It's a disgrace.

Agreed. I mean the man has met very unpleasant individuals here and abroad in his time and not once has he sold them arms.

No way should he be in office.

 


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Hansy Flag 06 Jun 17 9.34am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Agreed. I mean the man has met very unpleasant individuals here and abroad in his time and not once has he sold them arms.

No way should he be in office.

Because he's not been able to. Not like Labour was selling arms to Libya and Saudi Arabia, in their last government...

Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 9.39am)

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jun 17 9.53am

Originally posted by Hansy

Because he's not been able to. Not like Labour was selling arms to Libya and Saudi Arabia, in their last government...

Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 9.39am)

Exactly. What's more obnoxious? Being arrested at a protest 30 years ago outside the Old Bailey for supporting an independent Ireland and 'Troops Out' or our government selling billions of pound worth of arms last year to an overseas regime that actively finances a religious movement that propagates the terrorism that occurs here and seeks the downfall of the British state?

Vote Tory and you are 100% enabling them to sell arms to them again and for Saudi to set up more Wahhabist inspired mosques here. Vote Tory and help extreme Islam at the same time. That's the nub of it. They will never ever do anything to offend Saudi Arabia. They will put them ahead of their own citizens.

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 9.58am)

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 06 Jun 17 10.08am

Originally posted by Hansy

Yet the IFS has said the tax hikes won't raise nearly enough to cover the manifesto.

'Lets rip the Tories on their increased debt, whilst we are willing to increase the debt and deficit ourselves'

Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 9.33am)


IFS actually predict that Labour's plans will result in a current budget surplus so only debt to invest, which at current rates is what we should be doing.


Saying that, the IFS are wedded to an outdated free market ideology and consistently favour tax policy that favours the (already) rich. Their thinking is outdated on economics. They think people are a lot more mobile than they are and think too much of people as mere factors of production with clear money-only incentives.

 

gambler Flag Kent 06 Jun 17 10.20am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Car crash TV of the most buttock-clenching kind. Vote Labour and get this f*cking oaf as Home Secretary.

Edited by Cucking Funt (05 Jun 2017 9.41pm)

His final question should have been "What have you been taking?".

And if Labour get in, no she won't be Home Secretary. No way. She's finished after this election.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 06 Jun 17 10.30am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Exactly. What's more obnoxious? Being arrested at a protest 30 years ago outside the Old Bailey for supporting an independent Ireland and 'Troops Out' or our government selling billions of pound worth of arms last year to an overseas regime that actively finances a religious movement that propagates the terrorism that occurs here and seeks the downfall of the British state?

Vote Tory and you are 100% enabling them to sell arms to them again and for Saudi to set up more Wahhabist inspired mosques here. Vote Tory and help extreme Islam at the same time. That's the nub of it. They will never ever do anything to offend Saudi Arabia. They will put them ahead of their own citizens.

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 9.58am)

Being a supporter of terrorists that bomb Britain.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Hansy Flag 06 Jun 17 10.51am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Exactly. What's more obnoxious? Being arrested at a protest 30 years ago outside the Old Bailey for supporting an independent Ireland and 'Troops Out' or our government selling billions of pound worth of arms last year to an overseas regime that actively finances a religious movement that propagates the terrorism that occurs here and seeks the downfall of the British state?

Vote Tory and you are 100% enabling them to sell arms to them again and for Saudi to set up more Wahhabist inspired mosques here. Vote Tory and help extreme Islam at the same time. That's the nub of it. They will never ever do anything to offend Saudi Arabia. They will put them ahead of their own citizens.

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 9.58am)

And he wouldn't want to sell arms to his friends in Hamas and Hezbollah? I agree that we shouldn't be selling arms there, but to say this is a Tory problem, when Labour did the exact same is silly.

Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 10.52am)

 

legaleagle Flag 06 Jun 17 11.00am

Two immediate ideas to counter the spread of islamist jihadism:

1. Review the activities of the World Muslim League...its the world wide body Saudis have used to spread Salafism globally. UK HQ is in Tottenham Court Road.

2. Downgrade ties with Saudi Arabia,including selling arms.

That would be attacking a key causal factor rather than posturing.

Who would be more likely to actually implement them? Not TM and the Tories.

So,when people stop frothing and knee jerking, Corbyn has said some v sensible things.

Internment would be about as successful as it was in N Ireland...ie not very.The thing is to isolate the jihadists within the wider muslim community (in which they are a small minority) and cut off the funding of the spread of salafist ideology on a mass scale at source.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jun 17 11.16am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Being a supporter of terrorists that bomb Britain.

King Salman thanks you for your tacit support and understanding and want's to name the next wahhabist mosque built near you in your honour.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jun 17 11.27am

Originally posted by Hansy

And he wouldn't want to sell arms to his friends in Hamas and Hezbollah? I agree that we shouldn't be selling arms there, but to say this is a Tory problem, when Labour did the exact same is silly.

Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 10.52am)

I don't think he would [sell arms to them] and the present danger is not them anyway. Hezbollah are shias, the enemies of the current terrorists, so aren't involved or interested in overseas plans attacking us, France, the US and other western countries and neither are Hamas. They have other fish to fry.

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 11.28am)

 


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Hansy Flag 06 Jun 17 11.34am

But they still believe in the destruction of Jews and/or Israel.

So what you're saying is our arms that we sell to Saudi Arabia are then shifted to ISIS? I probably need to understand the link between the two more, but it is because SA and ISIS have the same religion? Or because SA called a Religious Jihad against the Russians in Afghanistan that started it all? - Any links to description regarding the link will be helpful.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Jun 17 11.35am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Exactly. What's more obnoxious? Being arrested at a protest 30 years ago outside the Old Bailey for supporting an independent Ireland and 'Troops Out' or our government selling billions of pound worth of arms last year to an overseas regime that actively finances a religious movement that propagates the terrorism that occurs here and seeks the downfall of the British state?

Vote Tory and you are 100% enabling them to sell arms to them again and for Saudi to set up more Wahhabist inspired mosques here. Vote Tory and help extreme Islam at the same time. That's the nub of it. They will never ever do anything to offend Saudi Arabia. They will put them ahead of their own citizens.

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 9.58am)

You talk some old s***e.

Changing government won't make any difference to that policy. We sell arms because if we didn't our enemies would. It makes no strategic sense for them to profit or have better relations with key states.

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 06 Jun 17 11.36am

Originally posted by Kermit8

King Salman thanks you for your tacit support and understanding and want's to name the next wahhabist mosque built near you in your honour.

Can you tell His Majesty that there is no apostrophe in "wants".

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Jun 17 11.46am

Originally posted by Hansy

But they still believe in the destruction of Jews and/or Israel.

So what you're saying is our arms that we sell to Saudi Arabia are then shifted to ISIS? I probably need to understand the link between the two more, but it is because SA and ISIS have the same religion? Or because SA called a Religious Jihad against the Russians in Afghanistan that started it all? - Any links to description regarding the link will be helpful.

This will help. A good read it is too if not a tad disturbing.

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