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Originally posted by serial thriller
129 economists endorse Labour's manifesto. This is literally what I mean by smoke and mirrors in political discussion. Fearmongering with absolutely no interest in the facts of the matter. It is, basically, the lying which the poster I quoted expressed irritation about, and I really really hope ordinary people see through it. We never saw that sort of thing in the Remain's campaign did we.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I needed police escorts on a couple of occasions when I was doing home visits when I was a nursery teacher in Woolwich. Nothing to do with Muslims though. The whataboutery king.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Jeremy Corbyn was arrested in 1986 for protesting the trial of a group of IRA members, including the Brighton Bomber Patrick Magee. Magee was convicted of murdering five people and the group were convicted of planning a "massive bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts." After refusing police requests to move from outside the court, Corbyn and the other protesters were arrested for obstruction and held for five hours before being released on bail, but were not charged. In the early 1990s, MI5 opened a file on Corbyn over fears his IRA links meant he could have been a threat to national security.The Metropolitan Police's Special Branch was also monitoring Corbyn at the time. According to Andrew Gilligan in The Sunday Times, following research in Irish and Republican archives, Corbyn was involved in over 72 events connected with Sinn Fein, or other pro-republican groups, during the period of the IRA's paramilitary campaign. The public need to know what sort of man is running for PM. It's a disgrace.
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Originally posted by serial thriller
129 economists endorse Labour's manifesto. This is literally what I mean by smoke and mirrors in political discussion. Fearmongering with absolutely no interest in the facts of the matter. It is, basically, the lying which the poster I quoted expressed irritation about, and I really really hope ordinary people see through it. Why let facts or expert opinion cloud our judgement? Down with facts and down with experts I say. Bloody know-it-alls.
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Why let facts or expert opinion cloud our judgement? Down with facts and down with experts I say. Bloody know-it-alls. Yet the IFS has said the tax hikes won't raise nearly enough to cover the manifesto. 'Lets rip the Tories on their increased debt, whilst we are willing to increase the debt and deficit ourselves' Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 9.33am)
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The public need to know what sort of man is running for PM. It's a disgrace. Agreed. I mean the man has met very unpleasant individuals here and abroad in his time and not once has he sold them arms. No way should he be in office.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Agreed. I mean the man has met very unpleasant individuals here and abroad in his time and not once has he sold them arms. No way should he be in office. Because he's not been able to. Not like Labour was selling arms to Libya and Saudi Arabia, in their last government... Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 9.39am)
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Originally posted by Hansy
Because he's not been able to. Not like Labour was selling arms to Libya and Saudi Arabia, in their last government... Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 9.39am) Exactly. What's more obnoxious? Being arrested at a protest 30 years ago outside the Old Bailey for supporting an independent Ireland and 'Troops Out' or our government selling billions of pound worth of arms last year to an overseas regime that actively finances a religious movement that propagates the terrorism that occurs here and seeks the downfall of the British state? Vote Tory and you are 100% enabling them to sell arms to them again and for Saudi to set up more Wahhabist inspired mosques here. Vote Tory and help extreme Islam at the same time. That's the nub of it. They will never ever do anything to offend Saudi Arabia. They will put them ahead of their own citizens. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 9.58am)
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Originally posted by Hansy
Yet the IFS has said the tax hikes won't raise nearly enough to cover the manifesto. 'Lets rip the Tories on their increased debt, whilst we are willing to increase the debt and deficit ourselves' Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 9.33am)
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Car crash TV of the most buttock-clenching kind. Vote Labour and get this f*cking oaf as Home Secretary. [Tweet Link]
Edited by Cucking Funt (05 Jun 2017 9.41pm) His final question should have been "What have you been taking?". And if Labour get in, no she won't be Home Secretary. No way. She's finished after this election.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Exactly. What's more obnoxious? Being arrested at a protest 30 years ago outside the Old Bailey for supporting an independent Ireland and 'Troops Out' or our government selling billions of pound worth of arms last year to an overseas regime that actively finances a religious movement that propagates the terrorism that occurs here and seeks the downfall of the British state? Vote Tory and you are 100% enabling them to sell arms to them again and for Saudi to set up more Wahhabist inspired mosques here. Vote Tory and help extreme Islam at the same time. That's the nub of it. They will never ever do anything to offend Saudi Arabia. They will put them ahead of their own citizens. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 9.58am) Being a supporter of terrorists that bomb Britain.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Exactly. What's more obnoxious? Being arrested at a protest 30 years ago outside the Old Bailey for supporting an independent Ireland and 'Troops Out' or our government selling billions of pound worth of arms last year to an overseas regime that actively finances a religious movement that propagates the terrorism that occurs here and seeks the downfall of the British state? Vote Tory and you are 100% enabling them to sell arms to them again and for Saudi to set up more Wahhabist inspired mosques here. Vote Tory and help extreme Islam at the same time. That's the nub of it. They will never ever do anything to offend Saudi Arabia. They will put them ahead of their own citizens. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 9.58am) And he wouldn't want to sell arms to his friends in Hamas and Hezbollah? I agree that we shouldn't be selling arms there, but to say this is a Tory problem, when Labour did the exact same is silly. Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 10.52am)
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Being a supporter of terrorists that bomb Britain. King Salman thanks you for your tacit support and understanding and want's to name the next wahhabist mosque built near you in your honour.
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Originally posted by Hansy
And he wouldn't want to sell arms to his friends in Hamas and Hezbollah? I agree that we shouldn't be selling arms there, but to say this is a Tory problem, when Labour did the exact same is silly. Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 10.52am) I don't think he would [sell arms to them] and the present danger is not them anyway. Hezbollah are shias, the enemies of the current terrorists, so aren't involved or interested in overseas plans attacking us, France, the US and other western countries and neither are Hamas. They have other fish to fry. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 11.28am)
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Exactly. What's more obnoxious? Being arrested at a protest 30 years ago outside the Old Bailey for supporting an independent Ireland and 'Troops Out' or our government selling billions of pound worth of arms last year to an overseas regime that actively finances a religious movement that propagates the terrorism that occurs here and seeks the downfall of the British state? Vote Tory and you are 100% enabling them to sell arms to them again and for Saudi to set up more Wahhabist inspired mosques here. Vote Tory and help extreme Islam at the same time. That's the nub of it. They will never ever do anything to offend Saudi Arabia. They will put them ahead of their own citizens. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 9.58am) You talk some old s***e. Changing government won't make any difference to that policy. We sell arms because if we didn't our enemies would. It makes no strategic sense for them to profit or have better relations with key states.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
King Salman thanks you for your tacit support and understanding and want's to name the next wahhabist mosque built near you in your honour. Can you tell His Majesty that there is no apostrophe in "wants".
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Originally posted by Hansy
But they still believe in the destruction of Jews and/or Israel. So what you're saying is our arms that we sell to Saudi Arabia are then shifted to ISIS? I probably need to understand the link between the two more, but it is because SA and ISIS have the same religion? Or because SA called a Religious Jihad against the Russians in Afghanistan that started it all? - Any links to description regarding the link will be helpful. This will help. A good read it is too if not a tad disturbing.
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