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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Jun 17 11.46am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You talk some old s***e. Changing government won't make any difference to that policy. We sell arms because if we didn't our enemies would. It makes no strategic sense for them to profit or have better relations with key states. And for you to peruse too [Link] Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 06 Jun 17 11.46am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You talk some old s***e.

Changing government won't make any difference to that policy. We sell arms because if we didn't our enemies would. It makes no strategic sense for them to profit or have better relations with key states.

And for you to peruse too

[Link]

Big chest and massive boobs

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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Jun 17 11.47am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Can you tell His Majesty that there is no apostrophe in "wants". His Majesty thanks you again and would like you to know the writing hand of his English teacher has now been cut off. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 06 Jun 17 11.47am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Can you tell His Majesty that there is no apostrophe in "wants".

His Majesty thanks you again and would like you to know the writing hand of his English teacher has now been cut off.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 11.51am
Originally posted by legaleagle Two immediate ideas to counter the spread of islamist jihadism: 1. Review the activities of the World Muslim League...its the world wide body Saudis have used to spread Salafism globally. UK HQ is in Tottenham Court Road. 2. Downgrade ties with Saudi Arabia,including selling arms. That would be attacking a key causal factor rather than posturing. Who would be more likely to actually implement them? Not TM and the Tories. So,when people stop frothing and knee jerking, Corbyn has said some v sensible things. Internment would be about as successful as it was in N Ireland...ie not very.The thing is to isolate the jihadists within the wider muslim community (in which they are a small minority) and cut off the funding of the spread of salafist ideology on a mass scale at source. I agree that Saudi Arabia are problematical in their funding for Wahhabism. However I think it's simplistic and a nonsense to think that isolating Saudi Arabia is going to do any good at all. In fact on the balance of probabilities it is going to be counter productive. Firstly the house of Saud are the most effective counter to Iranian influence in the region. A long way down the line ultimately avoiding possibly even nuclear war between Israel and...probably an emboldened Iran.... which could pull everyone else in....that is the first concern and a rather good idea. Secondly giving the message to Saudi Arabia that we won't trade with you and view you as the enemy is only going to reduce our influence with it. The house of Saud has considerable economic power that it isn't wise to pick a fight with. However the house of Saud push their ultra conservative version of Islam with a propaganda budget similar in size to the old soviet union's. It has a powerful effect in the middle eastern region and it is a problem. This problem is far more an issue from within that region though than it is here. We should always encourage western ideas with them. But ultimately it is about compromise. Pushing the idea thought that Wahhabism has a hold in the UK mosques is not really looking into what problems that UK mosques actually have. You are looking in the wrong direction. Here is an informative article on the issue. [Link] The main problem of non integrationist social divide in the UK that feeds illiberal ideas into potential extremists doesn't come from from Saud it comes from pakistan. The Deobandis Sunni form of Islam dominates British mosques.....Now if we only have Sufi Islam here I very much doubt we would have any problem at all. Islam in the UK needs reform....Integration solves a lot of the problems..look at Sikns for example....Reformers have been saying it for a long time and the so called 'progressives' have been ignoring them for just as long. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 11.59am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Jun 17 11.51am

Originally posted by legaleagle

Two immediate ideas to counter the spread of islamist jihadism:

1. Review the activities of the World Muslim League...its the world wide body Saudis have used to spread Salafism globally. UK HQ is in Tottenham Court Road.

2. Downgrade ties with Saudi Arabia,including selling arms.

That would be attacking a key causal factor rather than posturing.

Who would be more likely to actually implement them? Not TM and the Tories.

So,when people stop frothing and knee jerking, Corbyn has said some v sensible things.

Internment would be about as successful as it was in N Ireland...ie not very.The thing is to isolate the jihadists within the wider muslim community (in which they are a small minority) and cut off the funding of the spread of salafist ideology on a mass scale at source.

I agree that Saudi Arabia are problematical in their funding for Wahhabism. However I think it's simplistic and a nonsense to think that isolating Saudi Arabia is going to do any good at all. In fact on the balance of probabilities it is going to be counter productive.

Firstly the house of Saud are the most effective counter to Iranian influence in the region. A long way down the line ultimately avoiding possibly even nuclear war between Israel and...probably an emboldened Iran.... which could pull everyone else in....that is the first concern and a rather good idea.

Secondly giving the message to Saudi Arabia that we won't trade with you and view you as the enemy is only going to reduce our influence with it. The house of Saud has considerable economic power that it isn't wise to pick a fight with.

However the house of Saud push their ultra conservative version of Islam with a propaganda budget similar in size to the old soviet union's. It has a powerful effect in the middle eastern region and it is a problem. This problem is far more an issue from within that region though than it is here. We should always encourage western ideas with them. But ultimately it is about compromise.

Pushing the idea thought that Wahhabism has a hold in the UK mosques is not really looking into what problems that UK mosques actually have. You are looking in the wrong direction.

Here is an informative article on the issue.

[Link]

The main problem of non integrationist social divide in the UK that feeds illiberal ideas into potential extremists doesn't come from from Saud it comes from pakistan. The Deobandis Sunni form of Islam dominates British mosques.....Now if we only have Sufi Islam here I very much doubt we would have any problem at all.

Islam in the UK needs reform....Integration solves a lot of the problems..look at Sikns for example....Reformers have been saying it for a long time and the so called 'progressives' have been ignoring them for just as long.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 11.59am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 06 Jun 17 11.54am
The link i posted is very long so here is a fragment but a very important one in understanding exactly what has been going on: "The soaring oil price created by the 1973 embargo – when Arab petroleum producers cut off supplies to the US to protest against the Americans’ military support for Israel – gave the kingdom all the petrodollars it needed to export its idiosyncratic form of Islam. The old military jihad to spread the faith was now replaced by a cultural offensive. The Saudi-based Muslim World League opened offices in every region inhabited by Muslims, and the Saudi ministry of religion printed and distributed Wahhabi translations of the Quran, Wahhabi doctrinal texts and the writings of modern thinkers whom the Saudis found congenial, such as Sayyids Abul-A’la Maududi and Qutb, to Muslim communities throughout the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, the United States and Europe. In all these places, they funded the building of Saudi-style mosques with Wahhabi preachers and established madrasas that provided free education for the poor, with, of course, a Wahhabi curriculum. At the same time, young men from the poorer Muslim countries, such as Egypt and pakistan, who had felt compelled to find work in the Gulf to support their families, associated their relative affluence with Wahhabism and brought this faith back home with them, living in new neighbourhoods with Saudi mosques and shopping malls that segregated the sexes. The Saudis demanded religious conformity in return for their munificence, so Wahhabi rejection of all other forms of Islam as well as other faiths would reach as deeply into Bradford, England, and Buffalo, New York, as into pakistan, Jordan or Syria: everywhere gravely undermining Islam’s traditional pluralism. A whole generation of Muslims, therefore, has grown up with a maverick form of Islam that has given them a negative view of other faiths and an intolerantly sectarian understanding of their own. While not extremist per se, this is an outlook in which radicalism can develop. In the past, the learned exegesis of the ulema, which Wahhabis rejected, had held extremist interpretations of scripture in check; but now unqualified freelancers such as Osama Bin Laden were free to develop highly unorthodox readings of the Quran. " Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 06 Jun 17 11.54am

The link i posted is very long so here is a fragment but a very important one in understanding exactly what has been going on:

"The soaring oil price created by the 1973 embargo – when Arab petroleum producers cut off supplies to the US to protest against the Americans’ military support for Israel – gave the kingdom all the petrodollars it needed to export its idiosyncratic form of Islam. The old military jihad to spread the faith was now replaced by a cultural offensive. The Saudi-based Muslim World League opened offices in every region inhabited by Muslims, and the Saudi ministry of religion printed and distributed Wahhabi translations of the Quran, Wahhabi doctrinal texts and the writings of modern thinkers whom the Saudis found congenial, such as Sayyids Abul-A’la Maududi and Qutb, to Muslim communities throughout the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, the United States and Europe. In all these places, they funded the building of Saudi-style mosques with Wahhabi preachers and established madrasas that provided free education for the poor, with, of course, a Wahhabi curriculum. At the same time, young men from the poorer Muslim countries, such as Egypt and pakistan, who had felt compelled to find work in the Gulf to support their families, associated their relative affluence with Wahhabism and brought this faith back home with them, living in new neighbourhoods with Saudi mosques and shopping malls that segregated the sexes. The Saudis demanded religious conformity in return for their munificence, so Wahhabi rejection of all other forms of Islam as well as other faiths would reach as deeply into Bradford, England, and Buffalo, New York, as into pakistan, Jordan or Syria: everywhere gravely undermining Islam’s traditional pluralism.

A whole generation of Muslims, therefore, has grown up with a maverick form of Islam that has given them a negative view of other faiths and an intolerantly sectarian understanding of their own. While not extremist per se, this is an outlook in which radicalism can develop. In the past, the learned exegesis of the ulema, which Wahhabis rejected, had held extremist interpretations of scripture in check; but now unqualified freelancers such as Osama Bin Laden were free to develop highly unorthodox readings of the Quran. "

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 11.54am
Originally posted by Kermit8 And for you to peruse too [Link] Yes I get it, but how would someone else doing business with them change anything to our advantage?

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Jun 17 11.54am

Originally posted by Kermit8

And for you to peruse too

[Link]

Yes I get it, but how would someone else doing business with them change anything to our advantage?

hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Jun 17 11.56am
All this Saudi arms stuff is just squid-ink to cloud the issue of Corbyn's links to terrorists. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 06 Jun 17 11.56am

All this Saudi arms stuff is just squid-ink to cloud the issue of Corbyn's links to terrorists.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

legaleagle 06 Jun 17 11.57am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I agree that Saudi Arabia are problematical in their funding for Wahhabism. However I think it's simplistic and a nonsense to think that isolating Saudi Arabia is going to do any good at all. In fact on the balance of probabilities it is going to be counter productive. Firstly the house of Saud are the most effective counter to Iranian influence in the region. A long way down the line ultimately avoiding possibly even nuclear war between Israel and...probably an emboldened Iran.... which could pull everyone else in....that is the first concern and a rather good idea. Secondly giving the message to Saudi Arabia that we won't trade with you and view you as the enemy is only going to reduce our influence with it. The house of Saud has considerable economic power that it isn't wise to pick a fight with. However the house of Saud push their ultra conservative version of Islam through a propaganda budget similar in size to the old soviet union's. It has a powerful effect in the middle eastern region. Pushing the idea thought that Wahhabism has a hold in the UK mosques is not really looking into what problems that UK mosques actually have. You are looking in the wrong direction. Here is an informative article on the issue. [Link] The main problem of non integrationist social divide in the UK that feeds illiberal ideas into potential extremists doesn't come from from Saud it comes from pakistan. Islam in the UK needs reform....Integration solves a lot of the problems..look at Sikns for example....Reformers have been saying it for a long time and the so called 'progressives' have been ignoring them for just as long. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 11.54am) The Iran "threat" is vastly overstated by the Netanyahu regime and by Saudi,each for their own political agendas. Saudi has caused far more "damage" to "The west" in the past 20 years than Iran. Out of interest Stirling,how many British muslims do you mix with on a regular basis?

legaleagle

06 Jun 17 11.57am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

However the house of Saud push their ultra conservative version of Islam through a propaganda budget similar in size to the old soviet union's. It has a powerful effect in the middle eastern region.

Pushing the idea thought that Wahhabism has a hold in the UK mosques is not really looking into what problems that UK mosques actually have. You are looking in the wrong direction.

Here is an informative article on the issue.

[Link]

The main problem of non integrationist social divide in the UK that feeds illiberal ideas into potential extremists doesn't come from from Saud it comes from pakistan.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2017 11.54am)

The Iran "threat" is vastly overstated by the Netanyahu regime and by Saudi,each for their own political agendas.

Saudi has caused far more "damage" to "The west" in the past 20 years than Iran.

Out of interest Stirling,how many British muslims do you mix with on a regular basis?

Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.01pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 The link i posted is very long so here is a fragment but a very important one in understanding exactly what has been going on: None of this applies to the real problems we have in UK mosques. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Jun 17 12.01pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The link i posted is very long so here is a fragment but a very important one in understanding exactly what has been going on:

None of this applies to the real problems we have in UK mosques.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 17 12.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You talk some old s*e. Changing government won't make any difference to that policy. We sell arms because if we didn't our enemies would**. It makes no strategic sense for them to profit or have better relations with key states. Who are our enemies that have the means of doing this?

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 06 Jun 17 12.02pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You talk some old s***e.

Changing government won't make any difference to that policy. We sell arms because if we didn't our enemies would. It makes no strategic sense for them to profit or have better relations with key states.

Who are our enemies that have the means of doing this?

Kermit8 Hevon 06 Jun 17 12.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yes I get it, but how would someone else doing business with them change anything to our advantage? Well, if we lessen our ties with them then, in turn, their influence here should hopefully diminish too. If we can block the form of Islam they export which clearly leads to extremity and terrorist mentality in a minority then, obviously, that is a way forward. But, as it stands, being friendly with them just encourages it. This is why most of our attackers are home-grown. They have been radicalised into ultra and extreme Wahhabism because it is out there just down the road for them to be exposed to. Cut off the snakes head. But, alas, May will still suck up to the saudis. Planning permissions for more of their mosques will be granted. Their preachers will be left alone. Business as usual, innit. Rather it wasn't. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 12.05pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 06 Jun 17 12.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yes I get it, but how would someone else doing business with them change anything to our advantage?

Well, if we lessen our ties with them then, in turn, their influence here should hopefully diminish too. If we can block the form of Islam they export which clearly leads to extremity and terrorist mentality in a minority then, obviously, that is a way forward. But, as it stands, being friendly with them just encourages it. This is why most of our attackers are home-grown. They have been radicalised into ultra and extreme Wahhabism because it is out there just down the road for them to be exposed to.

Cut off the snakes head.

But, alas, May will still suck up to the saudis. Planning permissions for more of their mosques will be granted. Their preachers will be left alone. Business as usual, innit. Rather it wasn't.

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 12.05pm)

Big chest and massive boobs

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 17 12.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays None of this applies to the real problems we have in UK mosques. "The Saudis demanded religious conformity in return for their munificence, so Wahhabi rejection of all other forms of Islam as well as other faiths would reach as deeply into Bradford, England, and Buffalo, New York, as into pakistan, Jordan or Syria: everywhere gravely undermining Islam’s traditional pluralism. A whole generation of Muslims, therefore, has grown up with a maverick form of Islam that has given them a negative view of other faiths and an intolerantly sectarian understanding of their own. While not extremist per se, this is an outlook in which radicalism can develop."

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 06 Jun 17 12.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

None of this applies to the real problems we have in UK mosques.

"The Saudis demanded religious conformity in return for their munificence, so Wahhabi rejection of all other forms of Islam as well as other faiths would reach as deeply into Bradford, England, and Buffalo, New York, as into pakistan, Jordan or Syria: everywhere gravely undermining Islam’s traditional pluralism.

Lyons550 Shirley 06 Jun 17 12.04pm
For the first time in my life I am really struggling in knowing which way to vote! will it be to taper austerity? will it be to ensure Corporations pay more tax? will it be to ensure we have the most competent people negotiating Brexit? or will I simply vote Green? The latter is at the moment the most appealing prospect. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 06 Jun 17 12.04pm

For the first time in my life I am really struggling in knowing which way to vote!

will it be to taper austerity?
will it be to ensure Corporations pay more tax?
will it be to ensure we have the most competent people negotiating Brexit?
or will I simply vote Green?

The latter is at the moment the most appealing prospect.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.05pm
Originally posted by legaleagle The Iran "threat" is vastly overstated by the Netanyahu regime and by Saudi,each for their own political agendas. Saudi has caused far more "damage" to "The west" in the past 20 years than Iran. Out of interest Stirling,how many British muslims do you mix with on a regular basis? The house of Saud is a problem for the west certainly but I reject your implied notion that the west can't ascertain Iran's threat level correctly. Muslims and me? Through teaching in IT departments over quite a few years. I know several. Read the article. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Jun 17 12.05pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

The Iran "threat" is vastly overstated by the Netanyahu regime and by Saudi,each for their own political agendas.

Saudi has caused far more "damage" to "The west" in the past 20 years than Iran.

Out of interest Stirling,how many British muslims do you mix with on a regular basis?

The house of Saud is a problem for the west certainly but I reject your implied notion that the west can't ascertain Iran's threat level correctly.

Muslims and me? Through teaching in IT departments over quite a few years. I know several.

Read the article.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 06 Jun 17 12.07pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 All this Saudi arms stuff is just squid-ink to cloud the issue of Corbyn's links to terrorists. It's not just about 'the arms' more about the relationship we have with Saudi and their influence here. The sale of arms is purely the financial side of that relationship but the follow-on from it is the negative societal effects it has had on us because we are so beholden to them because of the dosh. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 06 Jun 17 12.07pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

All this Saudi arms stuff is just squid-ink to cloud the issue of Corbyn's links to terrorists.

It's not just about 'the arms' more about the relationship we have with Saudi and their influence here. The sale of arms is purely the financial side of that relationship but the follow-on from it is the negative societal effects it has had on us because we are so beholden to them because of the dosh.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 12.08pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Who are our enemies that have the means of doing this? The Russians,the Chinese. Anyone who has the means.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Jun 17 12.08pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Who are our enemies that have the means of doing this?

The Russians,the Chinese. Anyone who has the means.

Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.08pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle "The Saudis demanded religious conformity in return for their munificence, so Wahhabi rejection of all other forms of Islam as well as other faiths would reach as deeply into Bradford, England, and Buffalo, New York, as into pakistan, Jordan or Syria: everywhere gravely undermining Islam’s traditional pluralism. A whole generation of Muslims, therefore, has grown up with a maverick form of Islam that has given them a negative view of other faiths and an intolerantly sectarian understanding of their own. While not extremist per se, this is an outlook in which radicalism can develop." Read the article I posted a link to. Deobandi Islam is the main influence within UK mosques. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Jun 17 12.08pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Read the article I posted a link to.

Deobandi Islam is the main influence within UK mosques.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 06 Jun 17 12.10pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays None of this applies to the real problems we have in UK mosques. You can lead a horse to water.... Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 06 Jun 17 12.10pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

None of this applies to the real problems we have in UK mosques.

You can lead a horse to water....

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Jun 17 12.11pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle "The Saudis demanded religious conformity in return for their munificence, so Wahhabi rejection of all other forms of Islam as well as other faiths would reach as deeply into Bradford, England, and Buffalo, New York, as into pakistan, Jordan or Syria: everywhere gravely undermining Islam’s traditional pluralism. A whole generation of Muslims, therefore, has grown up with a maverick form of Islam that has given them a negative view of other faiths and an intolerantly sectarian understanding of their own. While not extremist per se, this is an outlook in which radicalism can develop." You are just cut and pasting stuff from the New Statesman. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 06 Jun 17 12.11pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

You are just cut and pasting stuff from the New Statesman.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.15pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Off this subject for a moment. Regarding our interest in what drives the culture of the form of 'half socialism' from within Nordic countries I found this interesting discussion on the Rubin report with a Swedish comedian. He isn't a supporter but I'm not posting this as an anti socialist piece because....well I'm not against collectivism if it actually worked...I think the analysis is more complex than 'good/bad'...So I've been interested into looking into Nordic culture where it has actually been in place reasonably successfully in some ways. Unfortunately the discussion doesn't just focus upon this point so apologies if you have to wade through other Swedish stuff and find it boring. Here is the link. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

06 Jun 17 12.15pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Off this subject for a moment.

Regarding our interest in what drives the culture of the form of 'half socialism' from within Nordic countries I found this interesting discussion on the Rubin report with a Swedish comedian.

He isn't a supporter but I'm not posting this as an anti socialist piece because....well I'm not against collectivism if it actually worked...I think the analysis is more complex than 'good/bad'...So I've been interested into looking into Nordic culture where it has actually been in place reasonably successfully in some ways.

Unfortunately the discussion doesn't just focus upon this point so apologies if you have to wade through other Swedish stuff and find it boring.

Here is the link.

[Link]

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 12.17pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well, if we lessen our ties with them then, in turn, their influence here should hopefully diminish too. If we can block the form of Islam they export which clearly leads to extremity and terrorist mentality in a minority then, obviously, that is a way forward. But, as it stands, being friendly with them just encourages it. This is why most of our attackers are home-grown. They have been radicalised into ultra and extreme Wahhabism because it is out there just down the road for them to be exposed to. Cut off the snakes head. But, alas, May will still suck up to the saudis. Planning permissions for more of their mosques will be granted. Their preachers will be left alone. Business as usual, innit. Rather it wasn't. Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 12.05pm) This makes no sense. How does allowing our competitors supply them arms 'cut off the snakes head'. What we need to do is block propaganda on line and prevent it being preached in the UK. Anyone involved directly or indirectly in encouraging terrorism should be detained indefinitely or deported.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Jun 17 12.17pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Cut off the snakes head.

But, alas, May will still suck up to the saudis. Planning permissions for more of their mosques will be granted. Their preachers will be left alone. Business as usual, innit. Rather it wasn't.

Edited by Kermit8 (06 Jun 2017 12.05pm)

This makes no sense. How does allowing our competitors supply them arms 'cut off the snakes head'.

What we need to do is block propaganda on line and prevent it being preached in the UK. Anyone involved directly or indirectly in encouraging terrorism should be detained indefinitely or deported.

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