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 Stirlingsays  06 Jun 17 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You can lead a horse to water.... Read the article I posted a link to. Your information isn't accurate. You are just leading me to untreated water.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 17 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The Russians,the Chinese. Anyone who has the means. The Chinese? I'm fairly sure they are not our enemies. The Tories certainly don't think so seeing as we're selling most of our assets to them. The Russians are also not our enemies. We're not bosom buddies but we're certainly not enemies.
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Kermit8  Hevon 06 Jun 17 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This makes no sense. How does allowing our competitors supply them arms 'cut off the snakes head'. What we need to do is block propaganda on line and prevent it being preached in the UK. Anyone involved directly or indirectly in encouraging terrorism should be detained indefinitely or deported.
It's not just about 'the arms' more about the relationship we have with Saudi and their influence here. The sale of arms is purely the financial side of that relationship but the follow-on from it is the negative societal effects it has had on us because we are so beholden to them because of the dosh.
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| Hansy 06 Jun 17 12.27pm |
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Why did Corbyn vote against labelling Al Qaeda as a terrorist organisation?
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's not just about 'the arms' more about the relationship we have with Saudi and their influence here. The sale of arms is purely the financial side of that relationship but the follow-on from it is the negative societal effects it has had on us because we are so beholden to them because of the dosh. Wahhabism isn't in the vast majority of our mosques. It mainly comes via the Internet. UK's Islamic extremists are already half way there because they are raised in a very socially conservative form of Islam mostly Deobandi.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 12.38pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
The Chinese? I'm fairly sure they are not our enemies. The Tories certainly don't think so seeing as we're selling most of our assets to them. The Russians are also not our enemies. We're not bosom buddies but we're certainly not enemies. There are no allies or enemies when it comes to selling weapons or business in general.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 12.40pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's not just about 'the arms' more about the relationship we have with Saudi and their influence here. The sale of arms is purely the financial side of that relationship but the follow-on from it is the negative societal effects it has had on us because we are so beholden to them because of the dosh. How will breaking off relations with the Saudis stop the spread of propaganda? You need to be more specific.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 12.49pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How will breaking off relations with the Saudis stop the spread of propaganda? You need to be more specific. It won't. Disengagement with them and wagging fingers will harden attitudes towards us and ultimately strengthen Iran. We need to work towards moderation within both sides.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It won't. Disengagement with them and wagging fingers will harden attitudes towards us and ultimately strengthen Iran. We need to work towards moderation within both sides. For some reason, Kermit thinks he has a better handle on diplomacy and foreign policy that those who do it for a living.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 06 Jun 17 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Two immediate ideas to counter the spread of islamist jihadism: 1. Review the activities of the World Muslim League...its the world wide body Saudis have used to spread Salafism globally. UK HQ is in Tottenham Court Road. 2. Downgrade ties with Saudi Arabia,including selling arms. That would be attacking a key causal factor rather than posturing. Who would be more likely to actually implement them? Not TM and the Tories. So,when people stop frothing and knee jerking, Corbyn has said some v sensible things. Internment would be about as successful as it was in N Ireland...ie not very.The thing is to isolate the jihadists within the wider muslim community (in which they are a small minority) and cut off the funding of the spread of salafist ideology on a mass scale at source.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 06 Jun 17 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There are no allies or enemies when it comes to selling weapons or business in general. You used the word enemies... I was just wondering who you meant... Just because someone else might do it, that's not a reason to carry on doing something, especially if you're supporting regimes like Saudi Arabia.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Jun 17 2.20pm |
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Best article i've read on the election so far.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Jun 17 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hansy
Need to be able to lead your Party before you can lead the country. If he doesn't win and then doesn't resign. I can see a Labour split, which would only work in the Tories' hands. He does lead his party though! He's won two leadership elections,nearly tripled membership numbers, and most PLP are totally on board with the manifesto. So there's a few blairites moaning, but who in this country wants blairites back now? Surely if there was desire for it, the lib dems would be smashing it? A breakaway party would crash and burn... And i suppose you think the same of May? She has completely alienated the tory base, her own chancellor won't talk to her, and she's led the most disastorous ge campaign in history. If she wins, it will be f*cking chaos from day 1.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 06 Jun 17 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
He does lead his party though! He's won two leadership elections,nearly tripled membership numbers, and most PLP are totally on board with the manifesto. So there's a few blairites moaning, but who in this country wants blairites back now? Surely if there was desire for it, the lib dems would be smashing it? A breakaway party would crash and burn... And i suppose you think the same of May? She has completely alienated the tory base, her own chancellor won't talk to her, and she's led the most disastorous ge campaign in history. If she wins, it will be f*cking chaos from day 1. These days we need a strong Protestant leader like Oliver Cromwell!
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
You used the word enemies... I was just wondering who you meant... Just because someone else might do it, that's not a reason to carry on doing something, especially if you're supporting regimes like Saudi Arabia. Goodness you are predictable. Yes, lets be clear. The word enemy seems old fashioned somehow in the new world order I admit. The relationship we have with Russia and China has many levels. No one trusts anyone and each party is working against the other while maintaining relations and even trade. We even share a space station with the Russians and heaven knows what else that we don't know about but that is not the whole picture. Militarily and covertly, there is still a big game of brinkmanship continuing, often involving proxy wars. I have already told you why we sell arms. Allowing others to do it instead has no advantage.
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| Hansy 06 Jun 17 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
He does lead his party though! He's won two leadership elections,nearly tripled membership numbers, and most PLP are totally on board with the manifesto. So there's a few blairites moaning, but who in this country wants blairites back now? Surely if there was desire for it, the lib dems would be smashing it? A breakaway party would crash and burn... And i suppose you think the same of May? She has completely alienated the tory base, her own chancellor won't talk to her, and she's led the most disastorous ge campaign in history. If she wins, it will be f*cking chaos from day 1. You need the support of your fellow MPs to do well in office. He hasn't got that. He might have the backing of the members, but he can't form a reasonable shadow cabinet. Tories have had a nightmare of a campaign, they have gone from destroying Corbyn, to just about winning. There is no shame in a Conservative voter in admitting that. The only reason why it'll be chaos is those that cannot accept a democratic result, very much like the day Brexit was announced. I fully expect to be voting Labour in the next election (Providing a more centrist candidate, and Labour haven't split), but I will never vote for someone like Corbyn that also has Abbott as a Shadow Home Secretary. Someone that should know what a Labour Lord recommended in his report regarding Terrorism in London. Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 3.08pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jun 17 3.07pm |
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But all business will leave the UK if jc gets in...
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Attachment: | Hansy 06 Jun 17 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
But all business will leave the UK if jc gets in... What happens if Corbyn can't get Single market access though... Also don't see Ireland, Luxembourg, Portugal, Switzerland on that list. Edited by Hansy (06 Jun 2017 3.11pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 17 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
But all business will leave the UK if jc gets in... But it will still make us less competitive. You want that with Brexit looming?
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