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Originally posted by nickgusset
MPs who have been trying to push Corbyn off a cliff for two years accuse him of driving them....off a cliff. Now this is gobsmackingly hypocritical. Before he was elected the first time round, they said he will be useless. Have to agree with you on that one Nick as they ARE useless back stabbing treacherous bar stewards. Quite contemptible in my book to be sure. Angela Eagle had as much chance of taking over as I have. Mind you we have a few turncoats in our party as well. So you are not alone mate. Politics has got really dirty of late and I can see why people are turned off by it all I really can.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
MPs who have been trying to push Corbyn off a cliff for two years accuse him of driving them....off a cliff. Now this is gobsmackingly hypocritical. Before he was elected the first time round, they said he will be useless. Yeah. Stay in opposition for ever. That will teach those wicked Tories.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
MPs who have been trying to push Corbyn off a cliff for two years accuse him of driving them....off a cliff. Now this is gobsmackingly hypocritical. Before he was elected the first time round, they said he will be useless. You like him don't you?
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Originally posted by Part Time James
You like him don't you? Id like the party to get behind him, they haven't as yet.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Id like the party to get behind him, they haven't as yet. You really do live in Cloud Cuckoo land don't you.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You really do live in Cloud Cuckoo land don't you.
Edited by nickgusset (21 Mar 2017 6.48pm)
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Edited by nickgusset (21 Mar 2017 6.48pm) That is the crux of the argument.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is the crux of the argument. I agree with the assessment on his electability. He will lose the next general election. Probably very badly. But I do also think Nick is right. They've constantly tried to stick the knife in his back, brief against him in the press, encourage unsuitable candidates to stand against him, force him to stand down, etc. Given he has now won two leadership elections they should just keep quiet and concentrate on trying to win as many seats as possible under his leadership at the next election. Because he obviously isn't going anywhere before hand. I know his voting and speaking history means he can't expect any loyalty. But enough is enough. Just let the man try and do his job. It's not like he's not doing enough himself and with his team to fcuk up. The rest of the PLP don't need to keep sticking their boot in.
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Originally posted by OknotOK
I agree with the assessment on his electability. He will lose the next general election. Probably very badly. But I do also think Nick is right. They've constantly tried to stick the knife in his back, brief against him in the press, encourage unsuitable candidates to stand against him, force him to stand down, etc. Given he has now won two leadership elections they should just keep quiet and concentrate on trying to win as many seats as possible under his leadership at the next election. Because he obviously isn't going anywhere before hand. I know his voting and speaking history means he can't expect any loyalty. But enough is enough. Just let the man try and do his job. It's not like he's not doing enough himself and with his team to fcuk up. The rest of the PLP don't need to keep sticking their boot in. Fine if you have given up on the business of winning election. Labour have become a 70's tribute act.
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Boohoo.... The other nasty Labour MP's said Corbyn was useless....:'( Hahahaha..... He is..... fcuking useless.
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Originally posted by dannyh
The bearded tramp had a dig at the PM at questions for the amount of funding being made available for grammar schools, Much to the delight of the shadow home secretary Diane (pig in knickers) Abbott, calling it a divisive policy, and that " he wanted a staircase for all, not a ladder for a few". Him and truffle pig were of course put immediately back in their box when the PM pointed out HE himself went to one, as did one of the snouted ones offspring. "Typical labour, taking up the advantage, then pulling up the ladder behind them." If you can't win a war of words over an education system that is in total melt down then please just fcuk off you useless article. Far be it from me to point out but the grammar system (in boroughs which have it) IS accessible for all . Costs nothing to enter your child for the exam. The resources can all be found online free of charge , yes paying a tutor obviously helps however the children who have been coached heavily often struggle once at grammar school and much of it comes down to a natural ability or aptitude. Quite why the Labour party needs to object at every turn (in my eyes for the sake of disagreeing) is beyond me.
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
Far be it from me to point out but the grammar system (in boroughs which have it) IS accessible for all . Costs nothing to enter your child for the exam. The resources can all be found online free of charge , yes paying a tutor obviously helps however the children who have been coached heavily often struggle once at grammar school and much of it comes down to a natural ability or aptitude. Quite why the Labour party needs to object at every turn (in my eyes for the sake of disagreeing) is beyond me. Why? Because grammar schools have been proven rather than increasing social mobility to prevent it. Because they have been shown to contribute to an overall decline in standards. Because all the evidence says that grammar schools result in the poor being worse off. Grammar schools are good for the select few that get in. For everyone else they are $hit. Should also be said that Corbyn effectively ended his marriage because of a dispute over sending their kid to a grammar school. He wanted his kid to go to the local comp and his missus said no. Look at every piece of educational research out there and it confirms that grammar schools are a bad idea.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Why? Because grammar schools have been proven rather than increasing social mobility to prevent it. Because they have been shown to contribute to an overall decline in standards. Because all the evidence says that grammar schools result in the poor being worse off. Grammar schools are good for the select few that get in. For everyone else they are $hit. Should also be said that Corbyn effectively ended his marriage because of a dispute over sending their kid to a grammar school. He wanted his kid to go to the local comp and his missus said no. Look at every piece of educational research out there and it confirms that grammar schools are a bad idea.
Why not improve all schools rather than just a gimmick of pandering to Grammar schools who do no better than comprehensives for adding value.
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Originally posted by OknotOK
Why? Because grammar schools have been proven rather than increasing social mobility to prevent it. Because they have been shown to contribute to an overall decline in standards. Because all the evidence says that grammar schools result in the poor being worse off. Grammar schools are good for the select few that get in. For everyone else they are $hit. Should also be said that Corbyn effectively ended his marriage because of a dispute over sending their kid to a grammar school. He wanted his kid to go to the local comp and his missus said no. Look at every piece of educational research out there and it confirms that grammar schools are a bad idea.
I agree to the point that it's feels as though your child is being thrown on the educational scrap heap to a degree by being deemed non selective. We have just been through this whole process a few months ago and my son didn't pass his 11+ . I do agree the non selective schools should be sorted out and brought up to a better standard. I agree 100% BUT I have never made any secret of the fact that had my son passed he would have gone to grammar school in a heart beat. The results of those schools speak for themselves where I live. They are head and shoulders above the state sector. My other children will all be put through the selection system and should any of the others pass they will be educated at such a school . I did well at school in the state sector myself 1 A*, 3A , 6B, 2x c grade at gcse and 2 a and 1 b at A level. I wish I had the opportunity to have gone to grammar school. I believe I would have done even better (croydon obviously didn't and still doesn't have the 11 plus)
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Originally posted by Michaelawt85
I agree to the point that it's feels as though your child is being thrown on the educational scrap heap to a degree by being deemed non selective. We have just been through this whole process a few months ago and my son didn't pass his 11+ . I do agree the non selective schools should be sorted out and brought up to a better standard. I agree 100% BUT I have never made any secret of the fact that had my son passed he would have gone to grammar school in a heart beat. The results of those schools speak for themselves where I live. They are head and shoulders above the state sector. My other children will all be put through the selection system and should any of the others pass they will be educated at such a school . I did well at school in the state sector myself 1 A*, 3A , 6B, 2x c grade at gcse and 2 a and 1 b at A level. I wish I had the opportunity to have gone to grammar school. I believe I would have done even better (croydon obviously didn't and still doesn't have the 11 plus) And that's fine for you as an individual looking after your individual child. But for the leader of the opposition, he should rightly oppose the reintroduction of an institution which has been proven time and time again to be detrimental to the vast vast majority of the population. So that's why he he has to object at every turn. Well done him for doing so. As Sedlescombe said, focus should be on improving standards across the state sector rather than going contrary to every single piece of research for nothing other than to pander to a certain element of the electorate. Edited by OknotOK (22 Mar 2017 5.00pm)
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Originally posted by OknotOK
And that's fine for you as an individual looking after your individual child. I thought the basis of a democracy was freedom of choice ? typically as Grammar schools do not fit into Compo's "right on" policies all of a sudden they are bad and selective/divisive But for the leader of the opposition, he should rightly oppose the reintroduction of an institution which has been proven time and time again to be detrimental to the vast vast majority of the population. Going back to his comment about being selective, and yours about being them being detrimental to the "vast (so vast you said it twice) majority of the population" is simply untrue, any parent of any child can put there child forward, if they are intelligent they get in, if not they don't. What is so wrong with rewarding talent ? why are we so against promoting ourselves in this country. You don't in my book have a right to the best education unless you show your going to excel academically.
Hypocritical at best. How many of his party workers are taken from the local "academy" our local college, most if not all would have degrees and gone through one Uni or another, your not going to get a CV from someone who was in and out of borstal, and think holy fcuk this guy sounds awesome are you ? As Sedlescombe said, focus should be on improving standards across the state sector rather than going contrary to every single piece of research for nothing other than to pander to a certain element of the electorate. Again this comment is staggeringly loaded to suit your own agenda and factually incorrect, as previously stated Grammar schools set a high standard if you can reach that standard your in, if your a thick fcuk you don't. It is a fact of the human race that some people are more blessed in the brain cell department than others, and those people deserve a chance to use that talent. Us lesser mortals still have a very good education system that is there for the taking if you work hard. I went to an all boys state school and got 9 GCSE's 6 B's and 3 C's not bad for a piss poor state education system. Edited by OknotOK (22 Mar 2017 5.00pm)
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Originally posted by dannyh
If grammar schools were a tool that selected the brightest from all backgrounds and gave them the opportunity to succeed that would be great. Realistically that isn't even close to what happens. That's just a fact. It is what happened when they were universal and it is what happens now where they are still in use. And worse is that where they exist they suck resources and brighter children out of the non-selective system to the detriment of the rest. If grammar schools just took the brightest students regardless of socio-economic background then they would be a worthy tool. But they don't. That only happens in a fantasy la-la land.
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