I look forward to empirical evidence the young no longer cut the lawn.

I have noticed they seem quite keen on cooking and buying decent food. The BBC are very good at sneaking in public information films about stuff like cookery whilst disguising it as entertainment and it appears to be having an effect. Young people are even learning how to sew it seems.

Whatever you think of social media it is the future and fluency is actually rather important. As indeed you as a silver surfer seem to have adopted given you are on this site quite a bit.

I have said this many times, I have faith in the youth of South London, albeit mostly those South of Selhurst. And I find them better informed than many of the older generation with whom I meet. In any case it's going to be their world soon enough. It always amazes me how few people understood the point Knut tried to make so cleverly.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Jul 2016 11.21am)

My observations are based solely on the behaviour of the students who lived opposite me for 3 years compared to the Nigerian family that now rent the same property.

It was like watching groundhog day every Monday morning as the students got up a good 2 hours after the bin men had gone and realised their pizza cartons, beer tines etc would have to be taken to the recycling centre or lazily put in the shed for another week.

Their front lawn became a jungle of weeds and long grass, but good cover for a p1ss when they were having a late night BBQ/Party and couldn't be arsed to go indoors.

Oh yes Maple.... I've seen it all.

I now have a delightful Nigerian family of 8 who are polite, responsible and friendly cheerful people living opposite and my blood pressure is much lower observing them going about life than the arseholes that lived there before tbh.

My observations are based solely on the behaviour of the students who lived opposite me for 3 years compared to the Nigerian family that now rent the same property.

It was like watching groundhog day every Monday morning as the students got up a good 2 hours after the bin men had gone and realised their pizza cartons, beer tines etc would have to be taken to the recycling centre or lazily put in the shed for another week.

Their front lawn became a jungle of weeds and long grass, but good cover for a p1ss when they were having a late night BBQ/Party and couldn't be arsed to go indoors.

Oh yes Maple.... I've seen it all.

I now have a delightful Nigerian family of 8 who are polite, responsible and friendly cheerful people living opposite and my blood pressure is much lower observing them going about life than the arseholes that lived there before tbh.

Let me hazard a guess. 16 and 17 year olds. Still, at least the 13m under 18 year olds can rely on the 11.6m over 65s to understand and represent their needs and wishes for the long term.

ICM poll the other day said 7% of Leavers have changed their mind. Would need at least another 7%-9% to put real pressure on for a second referendum unless they just ignore the result of the first one.

Something I read on Friday. It will be in either that day's The Daily Mail or Guardian. Can't remember which. Think it was ICM.

Edited by Kermit8 (03 Jul 2016 6.44pm)

Have you been living in a cupboard all your life???
You have to be 18 years old to vote as that is the law. Next you will be saying ANYONE should be able to vote...Get a grip and accept that the we the older generation have more knowledge of life than the young ones. IF the 18 year old members of the public had bothered to register instead as Rudi has said prior to this, spent their time on social media and at Glastonbury then they would have some sort of gripe, but as always they were too tied up in their own little facebook and mobile world they missed the boat and we oldies went out in the rain and put our crosses on the voting sheet and we won the vote ... I suggest you just get on with it and support any measures that assist in us leaving the European state and making our country GREAT again!

Yes, it keeps me safe from evil wizards

Turns out the young people did in fact bother to register and vote, see the Guardian which says:

“After correcting for over-reporting [people always say they vote more than they do], we found that the likely turnout of 18- to 24-year-olds was 70% – just 2.5% below the national average – and 67% for 25- to 29-year-olds.''

Of course, more would have done so had any politician actually communicated with them in the ways they communicate with each other. Or just bothered putting themselves into the shoes of younger people.

You do know that 16 and 17 year olds voted in the last major poll don't you?

Its not the same as a vote old son, most students have polls all the time and it does not mean a damn thing....Most polls these days are wrong as with the last general election. Your under 18's will just have to wait to get their chance as we all have had to do, mind you that's if they can get off their mobile phones and pads as that's all we see nowadays wherever we go. Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me. And before you say it YES my children and grandchildren are just the same now but thank god they did knuckle down and get an education and a job at the end of it unlike quite a few who are quite happy to sit at home playing on their X boxes and play stations....