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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jul 16 8.29pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Hmm, OK young dad. I guess there was something different between the Scottish and UK referenda. Can you please enlighten me. Also please explain your point about the young of today not knuckling down and getting an education in the light of the statistics for the past 10 years. I am sure you know participation in Higher Education has been rising steadily. Edited by Mapletree (03 Jul 2016 8.25pm) I guess if you do not know then you need to start keeping up with world wide news instead of harping on all the time about losing the vote and giving us all excuses and reasons why your side of the vote did not win! The other point you make...All the higher education has not given the young ones any reason to go out and look for a job with the number there is out of work....AND there are jobs out there but they do not want to do them. Edited by susmik (03 Jul 2016 8.32pm) Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jul 16 8.29pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Hmm, OK young dad. I guess there was something different between the Scottish and UK referenda. Can you please enlighten me.

Also please explain your point about the young of today not knuckling down and getting an education in the light of the statistics for the past 10 years. I am sure you know participation in Higher Education has been rising steadily.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Jul 2016 8.25pm)

I guess if you do not know then you need to start keeping up with world wide news instead of harping on all the time about losing the vote and giving us all excuses and reasons why your side of the vote did not win!

The other point you make...All the higher education has not given the young ones any reason to go out and look for a job with the number there is out of work....AND there are jobs out there but they do not want to do them.

Edited by susmik (03 Jul 2016 8.32pm)

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jul 16 8.35pm
ON A POSTER NEAR YOU SOON BREXIT A POEM ‘Won’t you join our Common Market?’ said the spider to the fly, ‘It really is a winner and the cost is not too high’ ‘I know De Gaulle said ’’ Non’’, but he hadn’t got a clue, ‘We want you in, my friends for we have plans for you. ‘You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now, ‘As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new milch cow, ‘It’s just a continental term, believe me , mon ami, ‘Like ‘’Vive la France’’ or ‘’Mad Anglais’’ or even ‘’E.E.C.’’. ‘As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few ‘You'll find that we ignore them - but they all apply to you. ‘Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about, ‘You do all the giving, and we all share it out. ‘It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need? ‘You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede, ‘So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side, ‘Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride’ Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 03 Jul 16 8.35pm

ON A POSTER NEAR YOU SOON

BREXIT A POEM

‘Won’t you join our Common Market?’ said the spider to the fly,
‘It really is a winner and the cost is not too high’
‘I know De Gaulle said ’’ Non’’, but he hadn’t got a clue,
‘We want you in, my friends for we have plans for you.

‘You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now,
‘As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new milch cow,
‘It’s just a continental term, believe me , mon ami,

‘Like ‘’Vive la France’’ or ‘’Mad Anglais’’ or even ‘’E.E.C.’’.

‘As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few
‘You'll find that we ignore them - but they all apply to you.
‘Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about,
‘You do all the giving, and we all share it out.

‘It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need?
‘You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede,
‘So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side,
‘Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride’

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

chris123 hove actually 03 Jul 16 8.37pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Hmm, OK young dad. I guess there was something different between the Scottish and UK referenda. Can you please enlighten me. Also please explain your point about the young of today not knuckling down and getting an education in the light of the statistics for the past 10 years. I am sure you know participation in Higher Education has been rising steadily. Edited by Mapletree (03 Jul 2016 8.25pm) Scotland passed a bill that allows 16 and 17's vote in Scottish elections. So not in general elections or UK referenda.

chris123

hove actually 03 Jul 16 8.37pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Hmm, OK young dad. I guess there was something different between the Scottish and UK referenda. Can you please enlighten me.

Edited by Mapletree (03 Jul 2016 8.25pm)

Scotland passed a bill that allows 16 and 17's vote in Scottish elections. So not in general elections or UK referenda.

Mapletree Croydon 03 Jul 16 8.50pm
Originally posted by susmik I guess if you do not know then you need to start keeping up with world wide news instead of harping on all the time about losing the vote and giving us all excuses and reasons why your side of the vote did not win! The other point you make...All the higher education has not given the young ones any reason to go out and look for a job with the number there is out of work....AND there are jobs out there but they do not want to do them. Edited by susmik (03 Jul 2016 8.32pm) Let's try again shall we. 16 and 17 year olds are bitter at being disenfranchised. On such an important issue for the longer term they wanted a say. As that was given to 16 and 17 year olds in the Scottish referendum there is precedent. Did you really think that I believed they had a legal right to vote but were prevented? I think it is you that needs to keep up.

Mapletree

Croydon 03 Jul 16 8.50pm

Originally posted by susmik

Edited by susmik (03 Jul 2016 8.32pm)

Let's try again shall we. 16 and 17 year olds are bitter at being disenfranchised. On such an important issue for the longer term they wanted a say. As that was given to 16 and 17 year olds in the Scottish referendum there is precedent.

Did you really think that I believed they had a legal right to vote but were prevented? I think it is you that needs to keep up.

Mapletree Croydon 03 Jul 16 9.00pm
Originally posted by Willo The 'Independent' reports differently. [Link] So which do you trust. 'It has been estimated' in the Independent with no further data in an 'opinion piece'. Or analysis specifically performed for the LSE by Opinium? You are usually so good at reading around the topic, why not in this case?

Mapletree

Croydon 03 Jul 16 9.00pm

Originally posted by Willo

The 'Independent' reports differently.

[Link]

So which do you trust. 'It has been estimated' in the Independent with no further data in an 'opinion piece'. Or analysis specifically performed for the LSE by Opinium?

You are usually so good at reading around the topic, why not in this case?

SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 03 Jul 16 9.10pm
As the days go by, I am getting a bit more optimistic that we will be able to salvage the situation, re-negotiate a better deal and remain. Even most of the Tories are starting to panic, quite rightly, about the implications of triggering Clause 50. Hopefully they wont be daft enough to have another referendum this time though. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

SloveniaDave

Tirana, Albania 03 Jul 16 9.10pm

As the days go by, I am getting a bit more optimistic that we will be able to salvage the situation, re-negotiate a better deal and remain. Even most of the Tories are starting to panic, quite rightly, about the implications of triggering Clause 50.

Hopefully they wont be daft enough to have another referendum this time though.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

turkish eagle 03 Jul 16 9.52pm
Jeremy Hunt suggested a second referendum when the terms of exit are thrashed out, just in case anyone thinks it might be better remaining. [Link] Although he didn't run for leader in the end, it might be an idea that gains support if the terms seem unfavourable.

turkish eagle

03 Jul 16 9.52pm

Jeremy Hunt suggested a second referendum when the terms of exit are thrashed out, just in case anyone thinks it might be better remaining.

[Link]

Although he didn't run for leader in the end, it might be an idea that gains support if the terms seem unfavourable.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 16 10.43pm
Originally posted by Mapletree So which do you trust. 'It has been estimated' in the Independent with no further data in an 'opinion piece'. Or analysis specifically performed for the LSE by Opinium? You are usually so good at reading around the topic, why not in this case? All I am doing is reporting the information in the 'Independent' which is at variance with the data reported elsewhere in this thread. In actual fact, the other day on TV I heard someone say that only 40% of 18-24 voted in the referendum.Certainly differences ! Reported in the 'New Statesman': What was voter turnout across age groups? Update: 26/6: Social media is passing round a stat that only 36 per cent of 18-24 year olds voted. Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2016 10.49pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jul 16 10.43pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

So which do you trust. 'It has been estimated' in the Independent with no further data in an 'opinion piece'. Or analysis specifically performed for the LSE by Opinium?

You are usually so good at reading around the topic, why not in this case?

All I am doing is reporting the information in the 'Independent' which is at variance with the data reported elsewhere in this thread.

In actual fact, the other day on TV I heard someone say that only 40% of 18-24 voted in the referendum.Certainly differences !

Reported in the 'New Statesman':

What was voter turnout across age groups?

Update: 26/6: Social media is passing round a stat that only 36 per cent of 18-24 year olds voted.

Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2016 10.49pm)

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 04 Jul 16 12.14am
Originally posted by Mapletree Let's try again shall we. 16 and 17 year olds are bitter at being disenfranchised. On such an important issue for the longer term they wanted a say. As that was given to 16 and 17 year olds in the Scottish referendum there is precedent. Did you really think that I believed they had a legal right to vote but were prevented? I think it is you that needs to keep up. In order to be disenfranchised, you have to have been enfranchised in the first place. The voting age is 18. 16 & 17 year olds have never been able to vote in a UK-wide poll. [Link] Edited by Cucking Funt (04 Jul 2016 12.19am) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 04 Jul 16 12.14am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Did you really think that I believed they had a legal right to vote but were prevented? I think it is you that needs to keep up.

In order to be disenfranchised, you have to have been enfranchised in the first place. The voting age is 18. 16 & 17 year olds have never been able to vote in a UK-wide poll.

[Link]

Edited by Cucking Funt (04 Jul 2016 12.19am)

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

NickinOX Sailing country. 04 Jul 16 1.55am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt In order to be disenfranchised, you have to have been enfranchised in the first place. The voting age is 18. 16 & 17 year olds have never been able to vote in a UK-wide poll. [Link] Edited by Cucking Funt (04 Jul 2016 12.19am) How dare you let facts get in the way of a good rant. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

NickinOX

Sailing country. 04 Jul 16 1.55am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

In order to be disenfranchised, you have to have been enfranchised in the first place. The voting age is 18. 16 & 17 year olds have never been able to vote in a UK-wide poll.

[Link]

Edited by Cucking Funt (04 Jul 2016 12.19am)

How dare you let facts get in the way of a good rant.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 04 Jul 16 8.55am
Originally posted by turkish eagle Jeremy Hunt suggested a second referendum when the terms of exit are thrashed out, just in case anyone thinks it might be better remaining. [Link] Although he didn't run for leader in the end, it might be an idea that gains support if the terms seem unfavourable. A very very sad loser! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 04 Jul 16 8.55am

Originally posted by turkish eagle

Jeremy Hunt suggested a second referendum when the terms of exit are thrashed out, just in case anyone thinks it might be better remaining.

[Link]

Although he didn't run for leader in the end, it might be an idea that gains support if the terms seem unfavourable.

A very very sad loser!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Kermit8 Hevon 04 Jul 16 8.56am
One of the banners on the protest march: "This is like when Geri Halliwell over-estimated her viabilty as a solo artist and left The Spice Girls" Edited by Kermit8 (04 Jul 2016 8.57am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 04 Jul 16 8.56am

One of the banners on the protest march:

"This is like when Geri Halliwell over-estimated

her viabilty as a solo artist and left The Spice

Girls"

Edited by Kermit8 (04 Jul 2016 8.57am)

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Mapletree Croydon 04 Jul 16 9.04am
Originally posted by Willo All I am doing is reporting the information in the 'Independent' which is at variance with the data reported elsewhere in this thread. In actual fact, the other day on TV I heard someone say that only 40% of 18-24 voted in the referendum.Certainly differences ! Reported in the 'New Statesman': What was voter turnout across age groups? Update: 26/6: Social media is passing round a stat that only 36 per cent of 18-24 year olds voted. Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2016 10.49pm) Fascinating. So an unattributed comment gets credence throughout the Press a week ago and nobody checks the facts. Then a factual piece comes out and, because it wasn't the first comment on the issue, it is written off. Despite being the only proper investigation of the issue. You have to ask why the original 'estimate' was ever given the status of 'fact'. In whose interests was that? Then you have to ask why actual analysis continues to be ignored because of an earlier opinion. This is not aimed at you Willo, it is an observation about the media. As AshTree keeps telling me, the media hates young people. I would love to see some analysis that either proves or disproves that hypothesis. But I would like to know why you even bother repeating a stat that is 'passing around social media'. As ever on this site I want to see the original source and comments before I believe anything.

Mapletree

Croydon 04 Jul 16 9.04am

Originally posted by Willo

All I am doing is reporting the information in the 'Independent' which is at variance with the data reported elsewhere in this thread.

In actual fact, the other day on TV I heard someone say that only 40% of 18-24 voted in the referendum.Certainly differences !

Reported in the 'New Statesman':

What was voter turnout across age groups?

Update: 26/6: Social media is passing round a stat that only 36 per cent of 18-24 year olds voted.

Edited by Willo (03 Jul 2016 10.49pm)

Fascinating. So an unattributed comment gets credence throughout the Press a week ago and nobody checks the facts. Then a factual piece comes out and, because it wasn't the first comment on the issue, it is written off. Despite being the only proper investigation of the issue.

You have to ask why the original 'estimate' was ever given the status of 'fact'. In whose interests was that? Then you have to ask why actual analysis continues to be ignored because of an earlier opinion.

This is not aimed at you Willo, it is an observation about the media. As AshTree keeps telling me, the media hates young people. I would love to see some analysis that either proves or disproves that hypothesis.

But I would like to know why you even bother repeating a stat that is 'passing around social media'. As ever on this site I want to see the original source and comments before I believe anything.

jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Jul 16 9.36am
Originally posted by shaun57 One was to stay part of the United Kingdom (knowing we had a referendum about the EU) the other was to leave a corrupt federal state. No bias with you then "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 04 Jul 16 9.36am

Originally posted by shaun57

One was to stay part of the United Kingdom (knowing we had a referendum about the EU) the other was to leave a corrupt federal state.

No bias with you then

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Mapletree Croydon 04 Jul 16 9.52am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt In order to be disenfranchised, you have to have been enfranchised in the first place. The voting age is 18. 16 & 17 year olds have never been able to vote in a UK-wide poll. [Link] Edited by Cucking Funt (04 Jul 2016 12.19am) I don't think you read your own link properly Cucking Just to be clear here is another definition that I took from a randomly selected site (Cambridge Online Dictionaries) ''not having the right to vote, or a similar right, or having had that right taken away:''

Mapletree

Croydon 04 Jul 16 9.52am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

In order to be disenfranchised, you have to have been enfranchised in the first place. The voting age is 18. 16 & 17 year olds have never been able to vote in a UK-wide poll.

[Link]

Edited by Cucking Funt (04 Jul 2016 12.19am)

I don't think you read your own link properly Cucking

Just to be clear here is another definition that I took from a randomly selected site (Cambridge Online Dictionaries)

''not having the right to vote, or a similar right, or having had that right taken away:''

Mapletree Croydon 04 Jul 16 9.54am
Originally posted by NickinOX How dare you let facts get in the way of a good rant. As usual, the 'facts' are subject to interpretation. And if I want to rant I shall DAMN WELL RANT. 'Tis a free site and I claim my right to have a hissy fit on it.

Mapletree

Croydon 04 Jul 16 9.54am

Originally posted by NickinOX

How dare you let facts get in the way of a good rant.

As usual, the 'facts' are subject to interpretation.

And if I want to rant I shall DAMN WELL RANT. 'Tis a free site and I claim my right to have a hissy fit on it.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jul 16 10.12am
Originally posted by Mapletree Fascinating. So an unattributed comment gets credence throughout the Press a week ago and nobody checks the facts. Then a factual piece comes out and, because it wasn't the first comment on the issue, it is written off. Despite being the only proper investigation of the issue. You have to ask why the original 'estimate' was ever given the status of 'fact'. In whose interests was that? Then you have to ask why actual analysis continues to be ignored because of an earlier opinion. This is not aimed at you Willo, it is an observation about the media. As AshTree keeps telling me, the media hates young people. I would love to see some analysis that either proves or disproves that hypothesis. But I would like to know why you even bother repeating a stat that is 'passing around social media'. As ever on this site I want to see the original source and comments before I believe anything. Just pointing out the discrepancies ! I've not gone into any great investigation as to the validity of the figures from various sources as it really doesn't concern me, accordingly I am not giving creedance to any one source.As such I'm not going to bother asking you about your "Factual source" - you have probably mentioned this earlier but this whole matter doesn't really interest me to be honest. At the end of the day the Referendum is 'Done and dusted' and BREXIT prevailed. Edited by Willo (04 Jul 2016 10.16am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jul 16 10.12am

Originally posted by Mapletree

But I would like to know why you even bother repeating a stat that is 'passing around social media'. As ever on this site I want to see the original source and comments before I believe anything.

Just pointing out the discrepancies !

I've not gone into any great investigation as to the validity of the figures from various sources as it really doesn't concern me, accordingly I am not giving creedance to any one source.As such I'm not going to bother asking you about your "Factual source" - you have probably mentioned this earlier but this whole matter doesn't really interest me to be honest.

At the end of the day the Referendum is 'Done and dusted' and BREXIT prevailed.

Edited by Willo (04 Jul 2016 10.16am)

Hoof Hearted 04 Jul 16 10.14am
Originally posted by SloveniaDave As the days go by, I am getting a bit more optimistic that we will be able to salvage the situation, re-negotiate a better deal and remain. Even most of the Tories are starting to panic, quite rightly, about the implications of triggering Clause 50. Hopefully they wont be daft enough to have another referendum this time though. False optimism Dave.... No one has any doubts about triggering clause 50, in fact today I heard a report that we don't even need to... we can withdraw by passing our own legislation if we want to.. The story was on R4's Today Programme. They also had Phillip Hammond on who although a Remaniac was consigned to moving onwards and follow the wishes of the people. He also confirmed he supported Theresa May's leadership bid and there would be no General Election till 2020. So... face the facts.... there will be no "best of 3", "a legal challenge to the result" "calling it unfair, because someone had their fingers crossed behind their back", "not any 16-17 year olds' voted so was undemocratic" OR any daft reason you want to dream up. The Referendum was one sided I agree, but blame David Cameron for that by not playing fair by spending tax payers money on pathetic biased leaflets and getting people like Obama in to try and con us. Luckily those of us in the know stood resolute and firm and voted Out/Leave. Let's face it, even George Osborne has come round to the idea and is actively trying to make a go of it - announcing a reduction in Corporation Tax to try and make the UK attractive to foreign investors.

Hoof Hearted 04 Jul 16 10.14am

Originally posted by SloveniaDave

Hopefully they wont be daft enough to have another referendum this time though.

False optimism Dave....

No one has any doubts about triggering clause 50, in fact today I heard a report that we don't even need to... we can withdraw by passing our own legislation if we want to.. The story was on R4's Today Programme.

They also had Phillip Hammond on who although a Remaniac was consigned to moving onwards and follow the wishes of the people. He also confirmed he supported Theresa May's leadership bid and there would be no General Election till 2020.

So... face the facts.... there will be no "best of 3", "a legal challenge to the result" "calling it unfair, because someone had their fingers crossed behind their back", "not any 16-17 year olds' voted so was undemocratic" OR any daft reason you want to dream up.

The Referendum was one sided I agree, but blame David Cameron for that by not playing fair by spending tax payers money on pathetic biased leaflets and getting people like Obama in to try and con us.

Luckily those of us in the know stood resolute and firm and voted Out/Leave.

Let's face it, even George Osborne has come round to the idea and is actively trying to make a go of it - announcing a reduction in Corporation Tax to try and make the UK attractive to foreign investors.

Mapletree Croydon 04 Jul 16 10.30am
Originally posted by Willo Just pointing out the discrepancies ! I've not gone into any great investigation as to the validity of the figures from various sources as it really doesn't concern me, accordingly I am not giving creedance to any one source.As such I'm not going to bother asking you about your "Factual source" - you have probably mentioned this earlier but this whole matter doesn't really interest me to be honest. At the end of the day the Referendum is 'Done and dusted' and BREXIT prevailed. Edited by Willo (04 Jul 2016 10.16am) Well I think it should concern you. Your generation has created a rift with the youngest generation of voters. Then it says 'well it's their own fault anyway for not voting' when in fact that was untrue. Then it perpetuates the myth. If I were a nipper again that may rather annoy me and drive me away from mainstream politics. And that is not a good place to be, the alternatives tend to involve pain. I am guessing you don't know how strong the feeling runs amongst the 17 to 24 age group which is a group that knows it will end up carrying the can.

Mapletree

Croydon 04 Jul 16 10.30am

Originally posted by Willo

Just pointing out the discrepancies !

At the end of the day the Referendum is 'Done and dusted' and BREXIT prevailed.

Edited by Willo (04 Jul 2016 10.16am)

Well I think it should concern you. Your generation has created a rift with the youngest generation of voters. Then it says 'well it's their own fault anyway for not voting' when in fact that was untrue. Then it perpetuates the myth.

If I were a nipper again that may rather annoy me and drive me away from mainstream politics. And that is not a good place to be, the alternatives tend to involve pain.

I am guessing you don't know how strong the feeling runs amongst the 17 to 24 age group which is a group that knows it will end up carrying the can.

Mapletree Croydon 04 Jul 16 10.33am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted False optimism Dave.... No one has any doubts about triggering clause 50, in fact today I heard a report that we don't even need to... we can withdraw by passing our own legislation if we want to.. The story was on R4's Today Programme. They also had Phillip Hammond on who although a Remaniac was consigned to moving onwards and follow the wishes of the people. He also confirmed he supported Theresa May's leadership bid and there would be no General Election till 2020. So... face the facts.... there will be no "best of 3", "a legal challenge to the result" "calling it unfair, because someone had their fingers crossed behind their back", "not any 16-17 year olds' voted so was undemocratic" OR any daft reason you want to dream up. The Referendum was one sided I agree, but blame David Cameron for that by not playing fair by spending tax payers money on pathetic biased leaflets and getting people like Obama in to try and con us. Luckily those of us in the know stood resolute and firm and voted Out/Leave. Let's face it, even George Osborne has come round to the idea and is actively trying to make a go of it - announcing a reduction in Corporation Tax to try and make the UK attractive to foreign investors. Maybe But then, they would say that wouldn't they? Who knows what plans are or are not afoot. What you can be sure of is no current mainstream politician will come out and say we shouldn't leave the EU, that would be political suicide. Just maybe they are mobilising people with nothing to lose to say this for them...

Mapletree

Croydon 04 Jul 16 10.33am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

False optimism Dave....

The Referendum was one sided I agree, but blame David Cameron for that by not playing fair by spending tax payers money on pathetic biased leaflets and getting people like Obama in to try and con us.

Luckily those of us in the know stood resolute and firm and voted Out/Leave.

Maybe

But then, they would say that wouldn't they? Who knows what plans are or are not afoot. What you can be sure of is no current mainstream politician will come out and say we shouldn't leave the EU, that would be political suicide.

Just maybe they are mobilising people with nothing to lose to say this for them...

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