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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 06 Jun 17 7.54pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yuk...what a choice! How about Palace win the Premiership and I get to shag all the Crystals? Yeah, that one sounds a lot better. ha ha,yeah, sounds good!
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 06 Jun 17 7.57pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
If May does get an increased majority, I actually think she will be more centrist than some people think. I think she is trying to readdress some imbalances eg triple lock,but is making a right horlicks of it. If she does win, hopefully the likes of Hunt will disappear
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 Mr_Gristle  In the land of Whelk Eaters 06 Jun 17 9.43pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
May is going to walk it. Clear majority that will be called a Landslide, but won't resemble the landslide of 1998. They'll more or less do as well as the last time Cameron stood. UKIP will be slaughtered, but claim victory with the Brexit result. Cue infighting and a return to being a side line show. Greens - 2 MPs. Lib Dems modest improvement. Labour will surprise many by not being humiliated, but they will call it a humiliation none the less. They'll have a leadership election, and Corbyn will still win it. I think Jamie is pretty close with this. I also think May won't survive for long if she wins, as she's shown the Tory sponsors what a total liability she is. The whistle has been well and truly blown on the blag as far as large swathes of the public are concerned. Neither TM nor Diane Abbott look well. That's an observation, not a criticism. Edited by Mr_Gristle (06 Jun 2017 9.45pm)
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| Stirlingsays 06 Jun 17 9.55pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
I think Jamie is pretty close with this. I also think May won't survive for long if she wins, as she's shown the Tory sponsors what a total liability she is. The whistle has been well and truly blown on the blag as far as large swathes of the public are concerned. Neither TM nor Diane Abbott look well. That's an observation, not a criticism. Edited by Mr_Gristle (06 Jun 2017 9.45pm) May is set while Brexit is negotiated, so that's for years. Whether she wants another election after that no one knows.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 06 Jun 17 10.06pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
May is set while Brexit is negotiated, so that's for years. Whether she wants another election after that no one knows. If she can't debate with her political opponents in the UK, she's not equipped to deal with EU heavyweights. Her plus Boris, Liam Fox and David Davis vs the EU? If they win on Thursday, I hope for the country's sake that the Tories get some Long Knives out one night and install some competent people. Edited by Mr_Gristle (06 Jun 2017 10.06pm)
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 17 9.30am |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
If she can't debate with her political opponents in the UK, she's not equipped to deal with EU heavyweights. Her plus Boris, Liam Fox and David Davis vs the EU? If they win on Thursday, I hope for the country's sake that the Tories get some Long Knives out one night and install some competent people. Edited by Mr_Gristle (06 Jun 2017 10.06pm) Yes May is proving to be pretty useless and weak as a leader. Another U-Turn yesterday. I make that 10. She can't stand up to our closest ally on critical points of national and global interest, but merely panders. She's got no friends in Europe, who we still need to be good friends with post Brexit. She doesn't answer questions, just comes out with hollow soundbites and generalisations. Her manifesto is just a string of generalisations with a few nuggets of ill thought out, un-consulted on detail which, following the merest scrutiny falls apart and leads to embarrassing u-turns and so the detail falls away. She can't debate Jeremy Corbyn or stand up to anyone so I really fear for Brexit negotiations with her in charge. Plus her record on policing and security is rightly coming under sharp scrutiny and her cuts being shown for what they are - dangerous and unfair. If the Tories do win as expected then I also hope they oust her ASAP and get someone competent and actually "strong and stable" in who will marginalise the likes of Boris, Fox and Davis. Plus someone who will get rid of Hunt, who is a disgusting worm.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Jun 17 9.34am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Yes May is proving to be pretty useless and weak as a leader. Another U-Turn yesterday. I make that 10. She can't stand up to our closest ally on critical points of national and global interest, but merely panders. She's got no friends in Europe, who we still need to be good friends with post Brexit. She doesn't answer questions, just comes out with hollow soundbites and generalisations. Her manifesto is just a string of generalisations with a few nuggets of ill thought out, un-consulted on detail which, following the merest scrutiny falls apart and leads to embarrassing u-turns and so the detail falls away. She can't debate Jeremy Corbyn or stand up to anyone so I really fear for Brexit negotiations with her in charge. Plus her record on policing and security is rightly coming under sharp scrutiny and her cuts being shown for what they are - dangerous and unfair. If the Tories do win as expected then I also hope they oust her ASAP and get someone competent and actually "strong and stable" in who will marginalise the likes of Boris, Fox and Davis. Plus someone who will get rid of Hunt, who is a disgusting worm. If she is so "weak and useless" why do you think "the Tories will win as expected"?
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Part Time James 07 Jun 17 9.40am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Yes May is proving to be pretty useless and weak as a leader. Another U-Turn yesterday. I make that 10. She can't stand up to our closest ally on critical points of national and global interest, but merely panders. She's got no friends in Europe, who we still need to be good friends with post Brexit. She doesn't answer questions, just comes out with hollow soundbites and generalisations. Her manifesto is just a string of generalisations with a few nuggets of ill thought out, un-consulted on detail which, following the merest scrutiny falls apart and leads to embarrassing u-turns and so the detail falls away. She can't debate Jeremy Corbyn or stand up to anyone so I really fear for Brexit negotiations with her in charge. Plus her record on policing and security is rightly coming under sharp scrutiny and her cuts being shown for what they are - dangerous and unfair. If the Tories do win as expected then I also hope they oust her ASAP and get someone competent and actually "strong and stable" in who will marginalise the likes of Boris, Fox and Davis. Plus someone who will get rid of Hunt, who is a disgusting worm. Did you know if you make 10 u-turns you end up going in the same direction you started in? Little known factoid for you all.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 17 9.55am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
If she is so "weak and useless" why do you think "the Tories will win as expected"? People will vote on soundbites rather than policies. Why do you think May has run a campaign based purely on soundbites? Can anyone recall a single detailed, costed, May policy?
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| DanH SW2 07 Jun 17 9.57am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
People will vote on soundbites rather than policies. Why do you think May has run a campaign based purely on soundbites? Can anyone recall a single detailed, costed, May policy? If you look at the front pages of the right wing press today as well that explains why a lot of people will vote Tory.
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| Hansy 07 Jun 17 10.06am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Yes May is proving to be pretty useless and weak as a leader. Another U-Turn yesterday. I make that 10. Yet Abbott resigns as Shadow Home Secretary on the grounds of being Ill (She is still running for re-election as an MP though mind), and Corbyn hires someone that called his leadership 'untenable'.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jun 17 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
If she can't debate with her political opponents in the UK, she's not equipped to deal with EU heavyweights. Her plus Boris, Liam Fox and David Davis vs the EU? If they win on Thursday, I hope for the country's sake that the Tories get some Long Knives out one night and install some competent people. Edited by Mr_Gristle (06 Jun 2017 10.06pm) Or is it when the debate is televised with a live studio audience she doesn't want to? It definitely looks weak but it's also smart, even if her handling of this election with full cost of old age care needing paying for, then £100k, then they'll ask consultants was very poor.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 17 10.07am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
People will vote on soundbites rather than policies. Why do you think May has run a campaign based purely on soundbites? Can anyone recall a single detailed, costed, May policy? No, but I can remember Labour's economically illiterate ones. A blueprint for capital flight.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Jun 17 10.10am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
People will vote on soundbites rather than policies. Why do you think May has run a campaign based purely on soundbites? Can anyone recall a single detailed, costed, May policy? I thought so - the electorate are so stupid, they are unable to make up their own minds and make a considered decision - just like the referendum.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jun 17 10.17am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No, but I can remember Labour's economically illiterate ones. A blueprint for capital flight. This is what alarms me. He thinks because people aren't wearing 25 year old light brown or beige shirts it's champagne everyday.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 10.23am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Doesn't feel like an election. There'll be no sense of hope or relief or anything. Just 'oh ok.' The Labour Party behind the front bench are a disgrace, David Cameron and everyone else unprepared for leave should feel guilty and the likes of Michael Gove should be permanently ostracised. People like the spineless Chukka Umunna are no better. This election has shown more than ever how insincere and lacking in political talent all of them are. At least Corbyn is sincere and consistent. I just see it going in a tailspin into near bankruptcy. My ballot paper will be spoiled, not that it matters with 60% - 70% Tory anyway. Why just not go to vote in the first place then!
Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky. |
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 07 Jun 17 10.26am |
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Originally posted by susmik
Why just not go to vote in the first place then! In Australia, even in local elections, one has to vote else one is fined.Think it is 20 AUD for the first offence and 50 AUD thereafter.Believe the current exchange rate is about 1.6 AUD to £1.
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| DanH SW2 07 Jun 17 10.27am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No, but I can remember Labour's economically illiterate ones. A blueprint for capital flight. The ones that were fully costed, acknowledged to result in higher GDP growth than the Tories by Oxford Economics (albeit keeping debt higher for longer) and would actually result in some much needed investment in infrastructure? What economics qualifications do you have out of interest?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jun 17 10.28am |
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Originally posted by DanH
The ones that were fully costed, acknowledged to result in higher GDP growth than the Tories by Oxford Economics (albeit keeping debt higher for longer) and would actually result in some much needed investment in infrastructure? What economics qualifications do you have out of interest? How many businesses have economists run?
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