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Was Jules at fault for first goal?
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 PJH  Colchester 28 Apr 14 2.10pm |
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Quote cpj at 28 Apr 2014 2.01pm
Not allowed to criticise Speroni on here! The guy is a legend and has a restaurant named after him!
Seriously though, I thought he was poor at the start of the season and let in several goals that he should perhaps have saved. Recently though he's been outstanding and back to his best form of a few years ago. On Saturday I feel he made the wrong decisions for both goals - he should have come off his line for the first (staying on his line meant that any touch would result in a goal) and should have stayed where he was for the second when he ended up in no-man's land.
Bleedin right too...on pain of death..not allowed to dis St Jules of Selhurst ! 
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| slubglurge welling 28 Apr 14 2.12pm |
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Definitely not. No goalkeeper would have a chance with a close range downward header. The defenders were correctly positioned as well. The delivery was sublime from a fantastic player.
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| DaveTheGnome 28 Apr 14 2.31pm |
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Quote PJH at 28 Apr 2014 1.56pm
Quote DaveTheGnome at 28 Apr 2014 12.48pm
Dunno about the first but I thought he ended up a bit stranded for the second
Stranded ? Great curling effort, surely Jules had no chance unless I've been seeing things ? As for the first, great curling cross and a good downward header. Again Jules had no chance IMO.In fact, bollocks. Jules had no chance.Period !!
Jules ends up in a poor position, maybe if he's not there Toure doesn't shoot.
Think I'm gonna let him off though...he's saved our bacon enough times
Cheers
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| alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 28 Apr 14 2.42pm |
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No not at fault.
Toure played a blinder.
Thats what these 'stars' are meant to do.
A pin point cross for the first, and he started and finished the second.
You just have to applaud that.
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| MKCPFC Spain/MK 28 Apr 14 2.43pm |
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Quote alaneagle1 at 28 Apr 2014 2.42pm
No not at fault.
Toure played a blinder.
Thats what these 'stars' are meant to do.
A pin point cross for the first, and he started and finished the second.
You just have to applaud that.
Totally agree
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 St Patrick Wimbledon 28 Apr 14 2.44pm |
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Quote Sg Bilko at 28 Apr 2014 1.49pm
No, Dzeko was always going to win that ball, he's 15 to 17 cms taller than both Mariappa, and Dann.
Scott Dann is taller than Dzeko.
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| Johnny Byrne Pinner 28 Apr 14 2.45pm |
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Quote Mangopablo at 28 Apr 2014 12.55pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Apr 2014 12.45pm
I was in goal playing with my nine year old lad down the park at the weekend so feel qualified to answer:
1)Yaya played a millimetre perfect pass/cross and no goalkeeper in the world could have done anything about it nor the ball ending up in the back of the net.
2)Hennessy is not as good as Jules so shouldn't be given the No.1 spot until he is or if Jules loses form.
Agree 100%. The mistake was giving Toure so much time on the ball on the edge of the box.
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| skj Bedale, North Yorkshire (Ex-Carsha... 28 Apr 14 2.46pm |
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Sorry to say, but I think he knows he was at fault for the first goal. If his weak kick out which lead to the first goal had been executed better it wouldn't have resulted in the pass and header.
Apart from that he didn't put a foot wrong!!!!
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| paperhat croydon 28 Apr 14 2.50pm |
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Quote skj at 28 Apr 2014 2.46pm
Sorry to say, but I think he knows he was at fault for the first goal. If his weak kick out which lead to the first goal had been executed better it wouldn't have resulted in the pass and header.
Apart from that he didn't put a foot wrong!!!!
and if he'd worn blue boots, he'd have been faster out of the changing room. What codswallop.
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| coachmatt 28 Apr 14 2.57pm |
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In my humble opinion as a Goal Keeping coach to Juniors:
a) Not at fault in my opinion. He was standing in the correct place to react to either a shot or cross. Scorer jumped up between two defenders (who could have intercepted ball or blocked his path to the ball)from an awesome pinpoint cross.
b) Striker headed the ball down and hard (like they're taught to) GK had no chance.
How do we stop these type of goals?
a) Mark the player attempting to pass the ball tighter (close his space to reduce his options).
b) The defenders on the striker need to get up in the air at the right time to deflect the ball or at least prevent the ball from reaching their striker.
It was a superb cross and quality header - we've perhaps got to accept sometimes the quality that we are up against.
Edited by coachmatt (28 Apr 2014 11.03pm)
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| Icepick Tony Chester 28 Apr 14 3.05pm |
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Quote Willo at 28 Apr 2014 1.54pm
Quote Sg Bilko at 28 Apr 2014 1.49pm
No, Dzeko was always going to win that ball, he's 15 to 17 cms taller than both Mariappa, and Dann.
I really don't think that Dzeko is that much taller than Dann.
I thought Dann is 6'5? Dzeko is no Crouch! Either way, the quality of the ball is what made the goal. A ball over the top like that puts defender and keeper in no-man's land and generally results in a goal.
"They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway
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| Hoof Hearted 28 Apr 14 3.20pm |
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That head by Dzeco was hard to stop.
I've played in goal and flashing headers like that close to your feet are a bugger to keep out as you don't know whether to go with your hands or feet.
He had no chance with YaYa's goal either.
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| gerry theagle newbury 28 Apr 14 3.35pm |
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Absolutely no chance with either goal,had Toure not been playing the result could have been 0-0.
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Sg Bilko  Deurne Holland 28 Apr 14 3.59pm |
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Quote St Patrick at 28 Apr 2014 2.44pm
Quote Sg Bilko at 28 Apr 2014 1.49pm
No, Dzeko was always going to win that ball, he's 15 to 17 cms taller than both Mariappa, and Dann.
Scott Dann is taller than Dzeko.
He might have been 10 years ago, but no longer, he's quite a bit shorter.
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| maxipalace in a box 28 Apr 14 4.46pm |
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Quote Dixie Eagle at 28 Apr 2014 1.10pm
Agreed. Jedi gave YaYa far too much space and should've closed him down quicker.
He was awesome yesterday though.
somebody May have Started thinking about the world cup. standing off yaya is not a good idea
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| paperhat croydon 28 Apr 14 4.48pm |
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Quote maxipalace at 28 Apr 2014 4.46pm
Quote Dixie Eagle at 28 Apr 2014 1.10pm
Agreed. Jedi gave YaYa far too much space and should've closed him down quicker.
He was awesome yesterday though.
somebody May have Started thinking about the world cup. standing off yaya is not a good idea
nope, Jedi was his usual bulldozer self yesterday, just that Toure was bigger and more driven. An excellent perormance from Toure showing just how big the gulf between their team and ours is/was.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 28 Apr 14 4.50pm |
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Quote merganser at 28 Apr 2014 12.36pm
Can any goalkeeper advise if Jules was at fault with Man City's first goal?
Should he have:
A) Caught or punched the cross before it found the striker?
B) Been quicker with his dive?
IMO, he didn't seem to command his goal area with a great deal of authority during the match.
Hope his chances (admittedly slim) of a World Cup call-up have not been jeopardised.
Will Hennessy be given a run-out before the end of the season?
Yes he should have done better from a bullet downward header from 3 yards out, delivered by a literally inch perfect cross.
Jesus Christ.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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| merganser 28 Apr 14 4.51pm |
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Well in that sort of situation, should the goalkeeper try to make the save with his leg/ foot?
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| paperhat croydon 28 Apr 14 4.58pm |
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Quote merganser at 28 Apr 2014 4.51pm
Well in that sort of situation, should the goalkeeper try to make the save with his leg/ foot?
If he was told where the ball was going to go, he'd have been hard pushed to get to it with his hand/foot/leg/ar$e let alone it being flung at him as it was.
How ever many times you ask the question or re-phrase it, the consensus is that NO, Jules wasnt at fault for the goal and couldnt have done much to stop it.
Edited by paperhat (28 Apr 2014 5.38pm)
Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan
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| Petereagle Brockley 28 Apr 14 5.32pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 28 Apr 2014 1.25pm
No, it was a perfect ball in between the defence and the Keeper. If he comes for that, he doesn't get there in time. If he positions himself to be able to get there in time, he's more likely to conceed from a shot.
Toure had too much time on the ball, and were not fast enough to stop Dejko.
No ones fault, they were just better than us.
Toure was given a lot of space to cross. So if there was a fault, it was not closing him Dow before he crossed.
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