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Fatherken 14 Dec 21 11.03pm
The US want Assange so why don't we make a straight swap for the cowardly murder Sacoolas ?
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14 Dec 21 11.03pm

The US want Assange so why don't we make a straight swap for the cowardly murder Sacoolas ?

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Dec 21 3.06am
Originally posted by Fatherken The US want Assange so why don't we make a straight swap for the cowardly murder Sacoolas ? Do you think she pre planned it then?
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Originally posted by Fatherken

The US want Assange so why don't we make a straight swap for the cowardly murder Sacoolas ?

Do you think she pre planned it then?

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 15 Dec 21 3.03pm
Originally posted by Fatherken The US want Assange so why don't we make a straight swap for the cowardly murder Sacoolas ? It's difficult to negotiate with vastly more powerful nation. The US had an agenda she was going to swerve justice, by instigating Diplomatic Immunity after the event. Something the UK seemed complicit with, in assisting her leave the UK. She'll probably get a 12 month driving ban (back-dated), which would then free her to continue working in the UK again, with no pending prosecutions, just points on her licence. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Fatherken

The US want Assange so why don't we make a straight swap for the cowardly murder Sacoolas ?

It's difficult to negotiate with vastly more powerful nation. The US had an agenda she was going to swerve justice, by instigating Diplomatic Immunity after the event. Something the UK seemed complicit with, in assisting her leave the UK.

She'll probably get a 12 month driving ban (back-dated), which would then free her to continue working in the UK again, with no pending prosecutions, just points on her licence.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 21 Oct 22 10.25am
Sacoolas has admitted causing death by careless driving via videolink at The Old Bailey [Link] She will be sentenced at the end of November. This should give some comfort to relatives and friends that justice is seen to be done. However, this has the potential to give rise to allegations of politics and the judicial system collaborating. Firstly, it was 'unprecedented' that the accused was allowed to appear in court via video-link. She must, however, appear in person for sentencing. I am just speculating from my own perspective, that if i were the presiding judge (with no political influence),.. I would want the USA charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice by giving her Diplomatic Immunity after the event. The fact she ran away, and left the country after the event would add to any potential sentencing. Perverting the course of Justice, again. In summary, Sacoolas should be doing a term of jail time, plus victim impact costs. However, methinks that the Justice system has been politically knobbled, and she will pay a huge fine to the Dunn family (paid by the US Government) and trot off into the distance. Any other thoughts ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2022 10.27am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Sacoolas has admitted causing death by careless driving via videolink at The Old Bailey
[Link]

She will be sentenced at the end of November.
This should give some comfort to relatives and friends that justice is seen to be done.

However, this has the potential to give rise to allegations of politics and the judicial system collaborating.
Firstly, it was 'unprecedented' that the accused was allowed to appear in court via video-link. She must, however, appear in person for sentencing.

I am just speculating from my own perspective, that if i were the presiding judge (with no political influence),..
I would want the USA charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice by giving her Diplomatic Immunity after the event.
The fact she ran away, and left the country after the event would add to any potential sentencing. Perverting the course of Justice, again.
In summary, Sacoolas should be doing a term of jail time, plus victim impact costs.

However, methinks that the Justice system has been politically knobbled, and she will pay a huge fine to the Dunn family (paid by the US Government) and trot off into the distance.

Any other thoughts ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2022 10.27am)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Oct 22 10.31am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Sacoolas has admitted causing death by careless driving via videolink at The Old Bailey [Link] She will be sentenced at the end of November. This should give some comfort to relatives and friends that justice is seen to be done. However, this has the potential to give rise to allegations of politics and the judicial system collaborating. Firstly, it was 'unprecedented' that the accused was allowed to appear in court via video-link. She must, however, appear in person for sentencing. I am just speculating from my own perspective, that if i were the presiding judge (with no political influence),.. I would want the USA charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice by giving her Diplomatic Immunity after the event. The fact she ran away, and left the country after the event would add to any potential sentencing. Perverting the course of Justice, again. In summary, Sacoolas should be doing a term of jail time, plus victim impact costs. However, methinks that the Justice system has been politically knobbled, and she will pay a huge fine to the Dunn family (paid by the US Government) and trot off into the distance. Any other thoughts ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2022 10.27am) I think you have summed it up nicely. It's clear to me a deal has been done and the sentencing has been made part of that deal. The judge is there just to rubber stamp what the politicians have already agreed. My guess no jail time or maybe a few weeks in a soft US jail "Club Fed". It stinks. One more point
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Beckenham 21 Oct 22 10.31am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Sacoolas has admitted causing death by careless driving via videolink at The Old Bailey
[Link]

She will be sentenced at the end of November.
This should give some comfort to relatives and friends that justice is seen to be done.

However, methinks that the Justice system has been politically knobbled, and she will pay a huge fine to the Dunn family (paid by the US Government) and trot off into the distance.

Any other thoughts ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2022 10.27am)

I think you have summed it up nicely. It's clear to me a deal has been done and the sentencing has been made part of that deal. The judge is there just to rubber stamp what the politicians have already agreed.

My guess no jail time or maybe a few weeks in a soft US jail "Club Fed".

It stinks.

One more point

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Oct 22 10.34am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Sacoolas has admitted causing death by careless driving via videolink at The Old Bailey [Link] She will be sentenced at the end of November. This should give some comfort to relatives and friends that justice is seen to be done. However, this has the potential to give rise to allegations of politics and the judicial system collaborating. Firstly, it was 'unprecedented' that the accused was allowed to appear in court via video-link. She must, however, appear in person for sentencing. I am just speculating from my own perspective, that if i were the presiding judge (with no political influence),.. I would want the USA charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice by giving her Diplomatic Immunity after the event. The fact she ran away, and left the country after the event would add to any potential sentencing. Perverting the course of Justice, again. In summary, Sacoolas should be doing a term of jail time, plus victim impact costs. However, methinks that the Justice system has been politically knobbled, and she will pay a huge fine to the Dunn family (paid by the US Government) and trot off into the distance. Any other thoughts ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2022 10.27am) Not from me, good summary and I share that which has been suggested. 'She drove on the wrong side of the road for 20 seconds' - That's not dangerous driving really it's just fking idiocy. Expect nothing less from the yanks however should not exempt you from legal proceedings. Imagine if she were Iranian for instance and fled there. All fits in to a lot of negative US stereotypes for me which perhaps do not** disprove my prejudices. Thick, arrogant and unerringly self-obsessed. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 21 Oct 22 10.34am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Sacoolas has admitted causing death by careless driving via videolink at The Old Bailey
[Link]

She will be sentenced at the end of November.
This should give some comfort to relatives and friends that justice is seen to be done.

However, methinks that the Justice system has been politically knobbled, and she will pay a huge fine to the Dunn family (paid by the US Government) and trot off into the distance.

Any other thoughts ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2022 10.27am)

Not from me, good summary and I share that which has been suggested.

'She drove on the wrong side of the road for 20 seconds' - That's not dangerous driving really it's just f**king idiocy. Expect nothing less from the yanks however should not exempt you from legal proceedings. Imagine if she were Iranian for instance and fled there.

All fits in to a lot of negative US stereotypes for me which perhaps do not disprove my prejudices.

Thick, arrogant and unerringly self-obsessed.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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crystal-purley Purley 21 Oct 22 11.09am
I am not trying to justify this but when a lorry driver rams into stationary traffic killing people and get a slap on the wrist then the Sacoolas case goes way below that one and the many others I and presumably others have read. I think she should be punished and in the UK. Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).
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I am not trying to justify this but when a lorry driver rams into stationary traffic killing people and get a slap on the wrist then the Sacoolas case goes way below that one and the many others I and presumably others have read. I think she should be punished and in the UK.

Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

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Fatherken 21 Oct 22 12.57pm
she did not report it she fled out of the country throw the full force of the law at her
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21 Oct 22 12.57pm

she did not report it
she fled out of the country
throw the full force of the law at her

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cryrst The garden of England 21 Oct 22 5.13pm
Originally posted by Fatherken she did not report it she fled out of the country throw the full force of the law at her They have ,as much as they can from 8k miles away. My bet is she won’t be getting a chalet in leysdown for a week during any summertime soon.
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The garden of England 21 Oct 22 5.13pm

Originally posted by Fatherken

she did not report it
she fled out of the country
throw the full force of the law at her

They have ,as much as they can from 8k miles away. My bet is she won’t be getting a chalet in leysdown for a week during any summertime soon.

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YT Oxford 21 Oct 22 7.31pm
Originally posted by Fatherken she did not report it she fled out of the country throw the full force of the law at her Which law are you referring to, other than the one under which she's been convicted? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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