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PatrickA Flag London 06 Dec 23 4.19pm

We are facing 3 games in 6 days,
West Ham last Sunday
Bournemouth tonight
Liverpool early Saturday.

Roy will have to use the subs with that schedule.

Hughes, Schlupp and Edouard rarely complete 90 mins when there is one game a week let alone three games.
I do suspect we’ll see Riedewald , Richards, Mateta and possibly Clyne at some point in the next two games.
I’m less convinced that we’ll see Ahamada and Franca other than for brief cameos.

 
PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 16 Dec 23 6.10pm

Franca...wow

 

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
AERO Flag 16 Dec 23 6.17pm

Didn't watch but comments please on Franca brief appearance ?TIA

 
CpfcWeTrust1 Flag 16 Dec 23 6.33pm

Originally posted by AERO

Didn't watch but comments please on Franca brief appearance ?TIA

He played well. Quick and some good vision and passing. Thr lad looks like he could be another brilliant signing if given the minutes.

 
Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 16 Dec 23 7.47pm

Originally posted by CpfcWeTrust1

He played well. Quick and some good vision and passing. Thr lad looks like he could be another brilliant signing if given the minutes.

You could see Ozoh and Franca were quality, both on a different planet to jairo and Schlupp, Surely Roy can see they are ready for starting-

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 16 Dec 23 8.07pm

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

You could see Ozoh and Franca were quality, both on a different planet to jairo and Schlupp, Surely Roy can see they are ready for starting-

Doubt it, in his post match interviews he stated he had to get our best senior players on the pitch & find a way of getting Ward & Clyne on together, that's why he went 5 at the back. That's his mindset.

 

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
DANGERCLOSE Flag London 16 Dec 23 8.09pm

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

You could see Ozoh and Franca were quality, both on a different planet to jairo and Schlupp, Surely Roy can see they are ready for starting-

I hope so

 
PatrickA Flag London 17 Dec 23 8.39am

Roy will not be starting the young players.
I watched his post match press conference and his whole thought process pre game was to get his senior players on the field (in consequence at the expense of the younger players).
He explains it why he included both Ward and Clyne and changed the system to accommodate both of them.
It's why when Hughes went down sick overnight, he went for Jairo rather than Ozoh or Ahamada.
It's why he played down Franca's cameo saying 'it was easier at 2-1 down than it would have been if he started.'

Roy prefers to use senior players even if they are out of form.
No doubt this is based on a long career of solid experience, but
dare I say it is there even the slightest possibility that he could be wrong on this if the young players are good enough?

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

I hope so

 
cROYdonrogers Flag Leamington Spa 17 Dec 23 9.02am

Yes the press conference told it all. Fair play he was completely honest.
Some managers come in with a set style of play and set about getting the squad to play that way, others (Roy) adapts the system to what's available.
Pep is of the former mindset - but look at his squad. FDB tried it at Palace and the outcome is history.
I think Roy's problem is the lack of use of the youngsters - even from the bench. He could blend one at a time but he's only looking to the end of the season and probably takes the view there's enough in the tank of the Seniors to get him over the line.

 
silvertop Flag Portishead 17 Dec 23 9.40am

Originally posted by PatrickA

Roy will not be starting the young players.
I watched his post match press conference and his whole thought process pre game was to get his senior players on the field (in consequence at the expense of the younger players).
He explains it why he included both Ward and Clyne and changed the system to accommodate both of them.
It's why when Hughes went down sick overnight, he went for Jairo rather than Ozoh or Ahamada.
It's why he played down Franca's cameo saying 'it was easier at 2-1 down than it would have been if he started.'

Roy prefers to use senior players even if they are out of form.
No doubt this is based on a long career of solid experience, but
dare I say it is there even the slightest possibility that he could be wrong on this if the young players are good enough?

Olise Eze and Mitchell are all kids and all starters.

If they are up to it and fit with the game plan they play.

 
Putitout Flag Oxford 17 Dec 23 10.31am

Originally posted by silvertop

Olise Eze and Mitchell are all kids and all starters.

If they are up to it and fit with the game plan they play.

Add Guehi, to that . This is all rubbish about Hodgson approach to younger players.
As you say if good enough no problem. But a lot of young players can go really well for 10 minutes, but take ages to do 90 in particular at this so demanding level.
Hodgson will blend some in over the season, but it seems never enough for some.
Maybe they actually think he is a bitter old man, that hates the idea of youth making progress in the industry.?

 
Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 17 Dec 23 10.43am

Let's hope Roy has seen the quality of our young players can make an impact. In his last tenure, most on here were grumbling about his apparent reluctance to use subs at all. Yesterday his decision to play Franca and Ahamada was inspired, who, coupled with Ozoh gave us 18,19 and 21 yr olds in our team. OK, so they were subs not starters, but they nearly earned us 3 points.

Also good to see Eze come on briefly and make a couple of his trademark, quality passes.

 

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PatrickA Flag London 17 Dec 23 10.47am

I don't think he's a bitter old man nor a bad football manager.

I listened to his complete press conference, and from the horse's mouth so to speak his whole approach to the game was dictated by who were the most senior players available.
This meant even including Riedewald who he's been reluctant to use in matchday squads recently.

Lewis Miley is 17 and once he got in the Newcastle team he's stayed in even when senior players are available.
I doubt he'd be retaining his place under Roy.
Doesn't make me anti Roy.
It's just an observation based on Roy's own words and actions.

 
eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Dec 23 10.51am

Originally posted by silvertop

Olise Eze and Mitchell are all kids and all starters.

If they are up to it and fit with the game plan they play.

22, 25, 24 & Guehi is 23.

 

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
Putitout Flag Oxford 17 Dec 23 11.01am

Originally posted by eagleman13

22, 25, 24 & Guehi is 23.

Not when they came here. Barely out of under twenty ones , Olize crippled playing under twenty one for France in the summer.

 
eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Dec 23 11.49am

Originally posted by Putitout

Not when they came here. Barely out of under twenty ones , Olize crippled playing under twenty one for France in the summer.

Yes, they were, but, i was replying to silvertop's post & added Guehi in as it was relevant.

 

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 17 Dec 23 12.22pm

Roy has been a top class manager throughout most of his career, coaching, team pattens, etc. but he is always a safety first manager and goes back to who, he thinks, are safe, that is why he needs to, in his last 5 months, go for a few gambles with the youngsters. Jairo, Hughes, Schlupp, Ward, Clyne and Tomkins all out of contract in June, i would only give a year to Schlupp. Ozoh, Amahada, Boteng and Phillips need to be the back up for Doucoure and Lerma next season.

 

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
Putitout Flag Oxford 17 Dec 23 12.29pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

I don't think he's a bitter old man nor a bad football manager.

I listened to his complete press conference, and from the horse's mouth so to speak his whole approach to the game was dictated by who were the most senior players available.
This meant even including Riedewald who he's been reluctant to use in matchday squads recently.

Lewis Miley is 17 and once he got in the Newcastle team he's stayed in even when senior players are available.
I doubt he'd be retaining his place under Roy.
Doesn't make me anti Roy.
It's just an observation based on Roy's own words and actions.


Hodgsons tactics yesterday were the only way to have got any sort of result yesterday,
It needed the rigid discipline of experience to get to 76minutes only two down. Even the very best come unstuck trying to mix it with City. 10/15 minutes with their fresh legs the younger players didn’t let anyone down including themselves. But if anyone thinks they could have played a roll earlier and turned City over , it has to rank as wishful thinking.
Every now and again a player appears early somewhere and takes all before them. Why not mentionJude Bellingham, It’s no.good saying ,because a young player appears exceptional at Newcastle, all our youngsters need is someone to think they’re exceptional .
And their is a chance Roy would bring Miley on at a slower pace, but only because he is not managing Newcastle , and able to surround the boy with a team already one of the best in the league.
Hodgsons job is to keep us in the Premier, Parish, is never shy to view the Championship as a disaster , unless our young players were in fact really exceptional, only experience gives him the chance to do that. Outside of Franca, when Palace have bought in young players they have been young players with loads of top performances behind them in the Championship.. The man has nothing against young players, but Palaces situation demands experience to deal with it, Shlupp, , made experience pay yesterday, breaking their line like that was magic, didn’t need younger legs.

Edited by Putitout (17 Dec 2023 12.31pm)

 
PatrickA Flag London 17 Dec 23 2.02pm

Pep preferred 19 year old Rico Lewis in midfield to the experience of internationals Phillips and Kovacic.

It's what the player will contribute rather than how experienced or senior he is that will determine the selection.

Riedewald has never been anything other than a bit part player under Roy and he was actively trying to sell him under his last tenure.
He's in his mid twenties, but does that alone mean he will contribute more than the younger player?
I'm not picking on Riedewald, who I think has attributes, but it's clear he's not really in Roy's plans.

The point that some are meking is that Roy will always prefer the senior player and as manager he's obviously entitled to do that.
However, other managers are more encouraging of youth and work under the adage 'if you're good enough you're old enough.'

 
Plaistow Eagle Flag 17 Dec 23 2.13pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Pep preferred 19 year old Rico Lewis in midfield to the experience of internationals Phillips and Kovacic.

It's what the player will contribute rather than how experienced or senior he is that will determine the selection.

Riedewald has never been anything other than a bit part player under Roy and he was actively trying to sell him under his last tenure.
He's in his mid twenties, but does that alone mean he will contribute more than the younger player?
I'm not picking on Riedewald, who I think has attributes, but it's clear he's not really in Roy's plans.

The point that some are meking is that Roy will always prefer the senior player and as manager he's obviously entitled to do that.
However, other managers are more encouraging of youth and work under the adage 'if you're good enough you're old enough.'

100% agree..!!

COYP

 
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