That's a fair point. She might well have fancied her chances given the numbers and been oblivious to the might of Rome.

Who knows.

And that's the point. All this virgins in heaven stuff is fed to the grunts by those who would not dream of strapping bombs to themselves. Iran is just an extended version of that...

And actually it isn't. Iran effectively has 2 regimes. The one Revolutionary Guard we all associate with that basket case nation who effectively administer repression, beard length etc.; and the other "normal" government responsible for health care and emptying the bins. From recent reports, the balance is shifting away from the former to the latter as is normal in post revolutionary worlds.

And as Stirling says, they are not going to nuke their Shiite Palestinian brothers. Nor is Israel going to nuke them. Israel have had that rabid, frothing nutter in charge for heaven knows how long. If they wanted to, they would have. It's M.A.D. insurance for both sides.

On which, I would be astonished if the Saudis didn't have the Bomb.

Hamas and Iran is not the same thing.

Hamas might well sacrifice Palestinians, but I bet even their leaders will clear off when it gets serious.
I expect they will get theirs via a drone when the US find out where they are hiding.

Sabre rattling is for the masses. Iran could have attacked Israel at any time.

yes. As proven by history. I would add David Koresh & the Waco disaster.

Religious nutters cannot be reasoned with. They are nuts.

and is the whole Middle East full of religious nutters ? nutters of all flavours ?

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When you talk about Iran, it is a country of millions, many of whom are not radical in any way. They no more want war than we would.
You have a hard line Islamic leadership that enforces strict Islamic law when it sees fit.
There might well be those inside Iran who would martyr themselves in the name of Islam, but I'm certain that most wouldn't. I'm also pretty sure that the leadership won't commit suicide for a religious cause. They bring out that stuff to control the Iranian people and stir up a bit of hatred toward Jews. I'm sure that goes down well with their great unwashed because a bit of Jew hating is easier than complaining about their own government.

Rather like the Iranian Islamic equivalent of Penny Mordaunt.

It might be worth really going for the FA Cup this season then, as we could be the eternal holders.

You still dont understand, all Muslims that are following the Quran, almost all Iranians, want to get to paradise, but suicide does not allow to get you to Paradise, unless it is to please the profit Muhammad, so thats their belief

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Many, Moroccans 99% Suni Muslim and Senegalese 95% Muslim and i class them as my friends, although they are not violent or anti western they dont fear death at all, i have spoken to some of them about their religion, they see it as a path they are on, and on you last part, correct

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Have you ever met a Muslim and had a conversation with them about Islam?

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Conversations are one thing.

As the bombs are dropping on Gaza, do you see people staying put or leaving in their thousands?

Very few people want to die, and they certainly don't invite death. Believe it.