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Norbury Old Git London 20 May 24 7.42pm
Elphis is correct. If we got no more points when Hodgson left we would be two points behind Luton with 24 and be relegated. That’s why Roy had to go. Glasner was appointed for the Everton match but sat in the Directors Box with Parish and Bright. Paddy took the team and whether under Glasner’s direction or his own volition, played a back three with two wingbacks.The match was drawn.

Norbury Old Git

London 20 May 24 7.42pm

Elphis is correct. If we got no more points when Hodgson left we would be two points behind Luton with 24 and be relegated. That’s why Roy had to go. Glasner was appointed for the Everton match but sat in the Directors Box with Parish and Bright. Paddy took the team and whether under Glasner’s direction or his own volition, played a back three with two wingbacks.The match was drawn.

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 20 May 24 7.52pm
Originally posted by Norbury Old Git Elphis is correct. If we got no more points when Hodgson left we would be two points behind Luton with 24 and be relegated. That’s why Roy had to go. Glasner was appointed for the Everton match but sat in the Directors Box with Parish and Bright. Paddy took the team and whether under Glasner’s direction or his own volition, played a back three with two wingbacks.The match was drawn. If you mean Elpis, then he was wrong for the reason you have stated (24 pts). Furthermore. had Hodgson stayed and not got another point it would have meant both Luton and Burnley would have beaten us, resulting in us finishing 19th on 24 points behind Burnley on 27 and Luton on 28.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 20 May 24 7.52pm

Originally posted by Norbury Old Git

Elphis is correct. If we got no more points when Hodgson left we would be two points behind Luton with 24 and be relegated. That’s why Roy had to go. Glasner was appointed for the Everton match but sat in the Directors Box with Parish and Bright. Paddy took the team and whether under Glasner’s direction or his own volition, played a back three with two wingbacks.The match was drawn.

If you mean Elpis, then he was wrong for the reason you have stated (24 pts). Furthermore. had Hodgson stayed and not got another point it would have meant both Luton and Burnley would have beaten us, resulting in us finishing 19th on 24 points behind Burnley on 27 and Luton on 28.

Elpis In a pub 20 May 24 9.28pm
Originally posted by doombear If you mean Elpis, then he was wrong for the reason you have stated (24 pts). Furthermore. had Hodgson stayed and not got another point it would have meant both Luton and Burnley would have beaten us, resulting in us finishing 19th on 24 points behind Burnley on 27 and Luton on 28. I stand corrected though its unreasonable to suggest we wouldn't have got to at least 30 points with Olise ,Eze and the two January buys in the side . RH wasn't useless he was just generally boring with the players he had at his disposal as he tried to eek out a point here and there . I was never thinking we would be relegated regardless of the manager

Elpis

In a pub 20 May 24 9.28pm

Originally posted by doombear

I stand corrected though its unreasonable to suggest we wouldn't have got to at least 30 points with Olise ,Eze and the two January buys in the side . RH wasn't useless he was just generally boring with the players he had at his disposal as he tried to eek out a point here and there .
I was never thinking we would be relegated regardless of the manager

Fatherken 20 May 24 11.16pm
and this thread is about who ? time to get ack on track .

Fatherken

20 May 24 11.16pm

and this thread is about who ?
time to get ack on track .

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 May 24 12.02am
Originally posted by Wilbraham413 Sorloth reminds me a lot of JPM. There were some signs that he might be decent, but Roy never played either of them, except for 5 minutes here or there. It's hard to tell unless the striker gets a long run of starts with decent service, and I feel like Sorloth and JPM never really got that until JPM recently. Benteke had 66 goals in 132 Prem games before Roy…

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 21 May 24 12.02am

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

Sorloth reminds me a lot of JPM. There were some signs that he might be decent, but Roy never played either of them, except for 5 minutes here or there.

It's hard to tell unless the striker gets a long run of starts with decent service, and I feel like Sorloth and JPM never really got that until JPM recently.

Benteke had 66 goals in 132 Prem games before Roy…

Vaibow vancouver/croydon 21 May 24 12.25am
Originally posted by Elpis LOL Im a fun kind of guy Im just being realistic though . Roy was employed for one thing only and I just see it as unfair when people dig him out for not being more entertaining as a manager . That was down to Parish for playing it safe which was probably the right call as we established ourselves in the PL under Roy Im delighted as anyone that we are now on the path of enlightenment under Glasner Imagine if the OG had taken over from Roy last summer, telling me the results would have been the same? This was once a quality forum....

Vaibow

vancouver/croydon 21 May 24 12.25am

Originally posted by Elpis

LOL Im a fun kind of guy Im just being realistic though . Roy was employed for one thing only and I just see it as unfair when people dig him out for not being more entertaining as a manager . That was down to Parish for playing it safe which was probably the right call as we established ourselves in the PL under Roy

Im delighted as anyone that we are now on the path of enlightenment under Glasner

Imagine if the OG had taken over from Roy last summer, telling me the results would have been the same?

This was once a quality forum....

Elpis In a pub 21 May 24 7.34am
Originally posted by Vaibow Imagine if the OG had taken over from Roy last summer, telling me the results would have been the same? Imagine if Kevin Phillips had missed that penalty and getting back on topic imagine if Sorloth had been given a run in the side . The end result would probably have been the same But it was what it was , you can't turn the clock back .Its not Championship manager where you can rewind and buy an 18 year old Harry Kane

Elpis

In a pub 21 May 24 7.34am

Originally posted by Vaibow

Imagine if the OG had taken over from Roy last summer, telling me the results would have been the same?

Imagine if Kevin Phillips had missed that penalty and getting back on topic imagine if Sorloth had been given a run in the side .

The end result would probably have been the same

But it was what it was , you can't turn the clock back .Its not Championship manager where you can rewind and buy an 18 year old Harry Kane

Badger11 Beckenham 21 May 24 7.52am
I think Sorloth is the exception to my rule "Palace don't let good players go". Over the years there have been complaints when we have let youngsters or even first team players go (not to a big club for a fee) but rarely have any of them gone onto to better things. I can only really think of Collymore and now Sorloth. And in Sorloth's case it has taken him about 3/4 years to come good. Overall I think our managers and talent scouts tend to get it right. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 May 24 7.52am

I think Sorloth is the exception to my rule "Palace don't let good players go".

Over the years there have been complaints when we have let youngsters or even first team players go (not to a big club for a fee) but rarely have any of them gone onto to better things.

I can only really think of Collymore and now Sorloth. And in Sorloth's case it has taken him about 3/4 years to come good.

Overall I think our managers and talent scouts tend to get it right.

One more point

dreamwaverider London 21 May 24 7.59am
It's plain and obvious now that Roy was well past his sell by date. His football was dire (had been for years). Ask Liverpool fans what they thought of it. He came in and did ua a good job keeping us up after Vieira had lost it. Our error was inviting him back to do another term. Glasner is a completely different personality. Very positive. Likes attacking football and definitely brings the best out of the players. He has a fresh approach to the game, believes attacking football and scoring goals is what football is all about. He clearly understands about fitness, player rotation and game management. We are very lucky to have got him. He has turned our club around in a very short time and at last, those of us who are season ticket holders are getting value for money. But most importantly we are all getting a team to be proud of which has improved the atmosphere at Selhurst massively.

dreamwaverider

London 21 May 24 7.59am

It's plain and obvious now that Roy was well past his sell by date. His football was dire (had been for years). Ask Liverpool fans what they thought of it.
He came in and did ua a good job keeping us up after Vieira had lost it. Our error was inviting him back to do another term.
Glasner is a completely different personality. Very positive. Likes attacking football and definitely brings the best out of the players.
He has a fresh approach to the game, believes attacking football and scoring goals is what football is all about. He clearly understands about fitness, player rotation and game management.
We are very lucky to have got him. He has turned our club around in a very short time and at last, those of us who are season ticket holders are getting value for money. But most importantly we are all getting a team to be proud of which has improved the atmosphere at Selhurst massively.

Dubai Eagle 21 May 24 8.03am
Just to put this into some kind of context - Obviously anyone who scores 4 goals against Real Madrid is going to be the headline, however, Real Madrid have won the league quite comfortably (12 points ahead with one game remaining) RM were 4:1 up at half time fielding a much changed team, Villareal are this season a mid table side, where RM only real consistent competitors are a financially strained Barcelona (12 points below) so whilst its a good headline I dont honestly think its too much more than that.

Dubai Eagle

21 May 24 8.03am

Just to put this into some kind of context - Obviously anyone who scores 4 goals against Real Madrid is going to be the headline, however, Real Madrid have won the league quite comfortably (12 points ahead with one game remaining) RM were 4:1 up at half time fielding a much changed team, Villareal are this season a mid table side, where RM only real consistent competitors are a financially strained Barcelona (12 points below) so whilst its a good headline I dont honestly think its too much more than that.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 May 24 8.27am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Just to put this into some kind of context - Obviously anyone who scores 4 goals against Real Madrid is going to be the headline, however, Real Madrid have won the league quite comfortably (12 points ahead with one game remaining) RM were 4:1 up at half time fielding a much changed team, Villareal are this season a mid table side, where RM only real consistent competitors are a financially strained Barcelona (12 points below) so whilst its a good headline I dont honestly think its too much more than that. Fair enough, however, doesn't Sorloth have a good record for the season? Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 May 24 8.27am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Fair enough, however, doesn't Sorloth have a good record for the season?

Red and Blue Army!

Norbury Old Git London 21 May 24 8.32am
Originally posted by Dubai Eagle Just to put this into some kind of context - Obviously anyone who scores 4 goals against Real Madrid is going to be the headline, however, Real Madrid have won the league quite comfortably (12 points ahead with one game remaining) RM were 4:1 up at half time fielding a much changed team, Villareal are this season a mid table side, where RM only real consistent competitors are a financially strained Barcelona (12 points below) so whilst its a good headline I dont honestly think its too much more than that. Sorloth deserves credit for scoring so many goals whilst playing for a mid-table side in a league not known for high scoring matches. Last year he led Real Sociedad into the Champions League having replaced Isak and scoring winners against both Real and Barca. On loan from Palace he went to Trabzonspor and scored 33 goals with 11 assists consigning ex Liverpool and England striker Sturridge to the bench. With one match to go he is likely to be the Spanish Golden Boot winner. He deserves it after his poor treatment by Palace.

Norbury Old Git

London 21 May 24 8.32am

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

Sorloth deserves credit for scoring so many goals whilst playing for a mid-table side in a league not known for high scoring matches. Last year he led Real Sociedad into the Champions League having replaced Isak and scoring winners against both Real and Barca. On loan from Palace he went to Trabzonspor and scored 33 goals with 11 assists consigning ex Liverpool and England striker Sturridge to the bench. With one match to go he is likely to be the Spanish Golden Boot winner. He deserves it after his poor treatment by Palace.

Dubai Eagle 21 May 24 8.34am
Indeed- Just googled it - 23 goals, league top scorer with one game to go - so he must have something to offer. I guess the big questions would revolve around the overall competitiveness of each league in comparison to say the PL.

Dubai Eagle

21 May 24 8.34am

Indeed- Just googled it - 23 goals, league top scorer with one game to go - so he must have something to offer.

I guess the big questions would revolve around the overall competitiveness of each league in comparison to say the PL.

ex hibitionist Hastings 21 May 24 9.11am
Originally posted by Oddball2021 When he played for us I remember so many on here saying how useless he was. I didn't. His problem as a CP striker was the same as all our strikers in that era (who were all called 'useless': he never got fed chances and lost confidence bit by bit after every match. People on here have said the same about Mateta and Eduaord. These are all good strikers who just need to be assisted. Now people on here are saying "OH gee! isn't it great to see Mateta's change of form!" Mateta's change of form is because of Glasner and a team assisting him. Unlike Roy, Glasner demands that they create chances and don't park the bus for 90 minutes in search of a pathetic, uninspiring, point. you have to give managers a bit of respect - they have an eye for the game we don't, but how can Pardew play Benteke with two wingers who play on the opposite wing to their 'foot' (Zaha and Townsend) who cut inside and don't deliver crosses when the guy lived for crosses - Big Sam gets them to cross and bingo he starts scoring. Got to get a system to fit the players not the other way round.

ex hibitionist

Hastings 21 May 24 9.11am

Originally posted by Oddball2021

When he played for us I remember so many on here saying how useless he was. I didn't. His problem as a CP striker was the same as all our strikers in that era (who were all called 'useless': he never got fed chances and lost confidence bit by bit after every match. People on here have said the same about Mateta and Eduaord. These are all good strikers who just need to be assisted. Now people on here are saying "OH gee! isn't it great to see Mateta's change of form!" Mateta's change of form is because of Glasner and a team assisting him. Unlike Roy, Glasner demands that they create chances and don't park the bus for 90 minutes in search of a pathetic, uninspiring, point.

you have to give managers a bit of respect - they have an eye for the game we don't, but how can Pardew play Benteke with two wingers who play on the opposite wing to their 'foot' (Zaha and Townsend) who cut inside and don't deliver crosses when the guy lived for crosses - Big Sam gets them to cross and bingo he starts scoring. Got to get a system to fit the players not the other way round.

Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 21 May 24 9.24am
Sorloth didn’t look fit when he was with us and certainly didn’t have the pace JPM has now. It's a shame we'll never know whether he would have achieved his impressive current form if we hadn't parted company? However, best of luck to the lad. Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Henry of Peckham

Eton Mess 21 May 24 9.24am

Sorloth didn’t look fit when he was with us and certainly didn’t have the pace JPM has now. It's a shame we'll never know whether he would have achieved his impressive current form if we hadn't parted company? However, best of luck to the lad.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

VinceHilaire London 21 May 24 9.44am
Some players just enjoy working for certain managers. They tend to be the ones who get the best out of a player (And team).

VinceHilaire

London 21 May 24 9.44am

Some players just enjoy working for certain managers. They tend to be the ones who get the best out of a player (And team).

silvertop Portishead 21 May 24 10.49am
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham Sorloth didn’t look fit when he was with us and certainly didn’t have the pace JPM has now. It's a shame we'll never know whether he would have achieved his impressive current form if we hadn't parted company? However, best of luck to the lad. One year ago JPM didn't have the pace he has now.

silvertop

Portishead 21 May 24 10.49am

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

One year ago JPM didn't have the pace he has now.

A1969Eagle Redhill 22 May 24 12.27pm
Never rated Roy, nice guy but boring rigid, yes on our day, we had some great wins, but really hated his time with us for example Sorloth and Mayer. Roy was never interested in young players, because he had no time for them, just old experienced Pro's... Plus Roy had hump with Dougie that he didn't buy "seasonal" pros with no real on going sale value. So Roy played Sorloth on the wing!! Sorloth, stood up and said I dont want to play for Roy... why because hes proved it now, he had ambitions and knew he had the ability to be a top player. so well done to him As for Roy, the stale air has left the club.. Phew. love this fresh air. Ps well done Sorloth, another under Roy that got away. O'Brien went to Lyon as he saw no future under Roy. James Mc didnt want to continue under Roy, he declined a year's extra contract.. Jame said soon after PV had replaced Roy.. "im enjoying my football again" (after 4 years under Roy!) Meyers confidence was shot, Benteke's too under Roy. Remember Mateta wanted to leave in January 24 because he had enough under Roy!!! Edited by A1969Eagle (22 May 2024 12.50pm) Edited by A1969Eagle (22 May 2024 12.51pm)

A1969Eagle

Redhill 22 May 24 12.27pm

Never rated Roy, nice guy but boring rigid, yes on our day, we had some great wins, but really hated his time with us for example Sorloth and Mayer.
Roy was never interested in young players, because he had no time for them, just old experienced Pro's...
Plus Roy had hump with Dougie that he didn't buy "seasonal" pros with no real on going sale value.
So Roy played Sorloth on the wing!!
Sorloth, stood up and said I dont want to play for Roy... why because hes proved it now, he had ambitions and knew he had the ability to be a top player. so well done to him

As for Roy, the stale air has left the club.. Phew. love this fresh air.

Ps well done Sorloth, another under Roy that got away.

O'Brien went to Lyon as he saw no future under Roy.
James Mc didnt want to continue under Roy, he declined a year's extra contract.. Jame said soon after PV had replaced Roy.. "im enjoying my football again" (after 4 years under Roy!)
Meyers confidence was shot, Benteke's too under Roy.
Remember Mateta wanted to leave in January 24 because he had enough under Roy!!!

Edited by A1969Eagle (22 May 2024 12.50pm)

Edited by A1969Eagle (22 May 2024 12.51pm)

doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 22 May 24 2.27pm
I await the Roy lovers' riposte with interest.

doombear

Too far from Selhurst Park 22 May 24 2.27pm

I await the Roy lovers' riposte with interest.

Eaglecoops CR3 22 May 24 3.32pm
Originally posted by doombear I await the Roy lovers' riposte with interest. I must admit, I don’t. He had his time, some good, but a lot bad. The new manager is so much better at assessing and utilising the tools at his disposal. I would imagine Sorloth would have ended up a similar type player to the Mateta of the last few months had he had the benefit of Glasner as his manager. Time to move this thread to where it belongs as he ain’t coming back to us.

Eaglecoops

CR3 22 May 24 3.32pm

Originally posted by doombear

I await the Roy lovers' riposte with interest.

I must admit, I don’t. He had his time, some good, but a lot bad. The new manager is so much better at assessing and utilising the tools at his disposal. I would imagine Sorloth would have ended up a similar type player to the Mateta of the last few months had he had the benefit of Glasner as his manager.

Time to move this thread to where it belongs as he ain’t coming back to us.

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