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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 16 Jul 24 11.56am
Southgate is an honourable man so I'm not surprised he's done the decent thing and stepped back to let someone else have a go. I hope the FA take their time to choose his successor. Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Henry of Peckham

Eton Mess 16 Jul 24 11.56am

Southgate is an honourable man so I'm not surprised he's done the decent thing and stepped back to let someone else have a go. I hope the FA take their time to choose his successor.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 16 Jul 24 11.59am
Step Forward Roy No Kane to worry about the corners “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Lanzo-Ad

Lanzarote 16 Jul 24 11.59am

Step Forward Roy No Kane to worry about the corners

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

Eaglehamster Storrington 16 Jul 24 12.08pm
It’ll be very interesting to see how many Premiership clubs rush in to sign him. I somehow don’t think the queue will be that long. I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

Eaglehamster

Storrington 16 Jul 24 12.08pm

It’ll be very interesting to see how many Premiership clubs rush in to sign him. I somehow don’t think the queue will be that long.

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jul 24 12.09pm
Originally posted by Eaglehamster It’ll be very interesting to see how many Premiership clubs rush in to sign him. I somehow don’t think the queue will be that long. There is next to no correlation between successful club managers and successful international ones - I'd hope we have figured that out by now.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 16 Jul 24 12.09pm

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

It’ll be very interesting to see how many Premiership clubs rush in to sign him. I somehow don’t think the queue will be that long.

There is next to no correlation between successful club managers and successful international ones - I'd hope we have figured that out by now.

Crystal_Clear Belfast 16 Jul 24 12.16pm
Relived that he has now gone. He should have gone after the last World Cup, and I worried that he would stay on again. The FA (and I have little confidence in them) need to get it absolutely right in the next appointment and sadly it looks like it could well be Graham Potter (I don't think Eddie Howe will leave Newcastle). He has left us with legacy of missed opportunities. A winnable World Cup semi final A winnable Euro final against Italy A less winnable Euro final against Spain (but didn't give it a proper go in the final bar a short spell in the 2nd half) All 3 of those games is where we have the least possession in an international game. We still can't beat top teams when it really matters. Not forgetting we were relegated from the Nations League and now won't be seeded for World Cup qualification. He has had opportunities that no England manager (bar Alf Ramsey) has had, but failed to take any of them. The one thing he has done though is being through young players quickly, though still picked a misfiring Harry Kane when again it really mattered. He will be admired by some for taking us to 2 finals, but for me he is still a very average manager.

Crystal_Clear

Belfast 16 Jul 24 12.16pm

Relived that he has now gone. He should have gone after the last World Cup, and I worried that he would stay on again.

The FA (and I have little confidence in them) need to get it absolutely right in the next appointment and sadly it looks like it could well be Graham Potter (I don't think Eddie Howe will leave Newcastle).

He has left us with legacy of missed opportunities.

A winnable World Cup semi final
A winnable Euro final against Italy
A less winnable Euro final against Spain (but didn't give it a proper go in the final bar a short spell in the 2nd half)

All 3 of those games is where we have the least possession in an international game.

We still can't beat top teams when it really matters.

Not forgetting we were relegated from the Nations League and now won't be seeded for World Cup qualification.

He has had opportunities that no England manager (bar Alf Ramsey) has had, but failed to take any of them.

The one thing he has done though is being through young players quickly, though still picked a misfiring Harry Kane when again it really mattered.

He will be admired by some for taking us to 2 finals, but for me he is still a very average manager.

monkey Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 16 Jul 24 12.39pm
Originally posted by Eaglehamster It’ll be very interesting to see how many Premiership clubs rush in to sign him. I somehow don’t think the queue will be that long. Maybe clubs that just want to survive and stay out of trouble at the bottom.

monkey

Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 16 Jul 24 12.39pm

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

It’ll be very interesting to see how many Premiership clubs rush in to sign him. I somehow don’t think the queue will be that long.

Maybe clubs that just want to survive and stay out of trouble at the bottom.

YT Oxford 16 Jul 24 12.55pm
It's sad in that he seems like a nice bloke. He was described in the build-up on Sunday as "intellectual and intelligent". With respect he's definitely the latter but definitely not the former (although I suspect it comes down to the reporter not actually understanding the meaning of the word). The big sadness for GS is that he will be remembered by most fans as someone who wasn't quite good enough. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 16 Jul 24 12.55pm

It's sad in that he seems like a nice bloke. He was described in the build-up on Sunday as "intellectual and intelligent". With respect he's definitely the latter but definitely not the former (although I suspect it comes down to the reporter not actually understanding the meaning of the word).

The big sadness for GS is that he will be remembered by most fans as someone who wasn't quite good enough.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Teddy Eagle 16 Jul 24 1.06pm
Originally posted by YT It's sad in that he seems like a nice bloke. He was described in the build-up on Sunday as "intellectual and intelligent". With respect he's definitely the latter but definitely not the former (although I suspect it comes down to the reporter not actually understanding the meaning of the word). The big sadness for GS is that he will be remembered by most fans as someone who wasn't quite good enough. The fate of many managers. It still amuses that his nickname among his contemporaries is "Nord" because they thought he sounded posh and the poshest person they knew was Denis Norden.

Teddy Eagle

16 Jul 24 1.06pm

Originally posted by YT

The big sadness for GS is that he will be remembered by most fans as someone who wasn't quite good enough.

The fate of many managers.
It still amuses that his nickname among his contemporaries is "Nord" because they thought he sounded posh and the poshest person they knew was Denis Norden.

Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jul 24 1.47pm
Originally posted by Crystal_Clear Relived that he has now gone. He should have gone after the last World Cup, and I worried that he would stay on again. The FA (and I have little confidence in them) need to get it absolutely right in the next appointment and sadly it looks like it could well be Graham Potter (I don't think Eddie Howe will leave Newcastle). He has left us with legacy of missed opportunities. A winnable World Cup semi final A winnable Euro final against Italy A less winnable Euro final against Spain (but didn't give it a proper go in the final bar a short spell in the 2nd half) All 3 of those games is where we have the least possession in an international game. We still can't beat top teams when it really matters. Not forgetting we were relegated from the Nations League and now won't be seeded for World Cup qualification. He has had opportunities that no England manager (bar Alf Ramsey) has had, but failed to take any of them. The one thing he has done though is being through young players quickly, though still picked a misfiring Harry Kane when again it really mattered. He will be admired by some for taking us to 2 finals, but for me he is still a very average manager. It's harsh and whilst I do agree with this, I'd just consider it a bit one-dimensional. I think Southgate will actually be remembered fondly by many, especially if we return to the dark ages that preceded his appointment. The days of semis and finals will be recalled like fairy-tales if that happens. I'd suggest it is what it is. There's a lot of truth in what you've stated but I'd argue equally as I have stated above. He has failed to deliver the end goal, to cross the proverbial finish line, so there will be some regret and of course critique of that, but he must also take credit for getting us there in the first instance, especially where so many have failed so abjectly. He has taken or at least overseen England stepping up a level but the yearning is now for the ultimate prize which he has not delivered. Southgate must either be hailed as part of the process when this is achieved or vindicated when we go backwards. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jul 24 1.47pm

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

Relived that he has now gone. He should have gone after the last World Cup, and I worried that he would stay on again.

He has left us with legacy of missed opportunities.

A winnable World Cup semi final
A winnable Euro final against Italy
A less winnable Euro final against Spain (but didn't give it a proper go in the final bar a short spell in the 2nd half)

All 3 of those games is where we have the least possession in an international game.

We still can't beat top teams when it really matters.

Not forgetting we were relegated from the Nations League and now won't be seeded for World Cup qualification.

He has had opportunities that no England manager (bar Alf Ramsey) has had, but failed to take any of them.

The one thing he has done though is being through young players quickly, though still picked a misfiring Harry Kane when again it really mattered.

He will be admired by some for taking us to 2 finals, but for me he is still a very average manager.

It's harsh and whilst I do agree with this, I'd just consider it a bit one-dimensional.

I think Southgate will actually be remembered fondly by many, especially if we return to the dark ages that preceded his appointment. The days of semis and finals will be recalled like fairy-tales if that happens.

I'd suggest it is what it is. There's a lot of truth in what you've stated but I'd argue equally as I have stated above. He has failed to deliver the end goal, to cross the proverbial finish line, so there will be some regret and of course critique of that, but he must also take credit for getting us there in the first instance, especially where so many have failed so abjectly.

He has taken or at least overseen England stepping up a level but the yearning is now for the ultimate prize which he has not delivered. Southgate must either be hailed as part of the process when this is achieved or vindicated when we go backwards.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

YT Oxford 16 Jul 24 1.48pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The fate of many managers. It still amuses that his nickname among his contemporaries is "Nord" because they thought he sounded posh and the poshest person they knew was Denis Norden. That sums up footballers, doesn't it? Graeme Le Saux's Chelsea teammates nicknamed him "the professor". Why? Because he collected antiques (insert head-in-hands emoji here). Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 16 Jul 24 1.48pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The fate of many managers.
It still amuses that his nickname among his contemporaries is "Nord" because they thought he sounded posh and the poshest person they knew was Denis Norden.

That sums up footballers, doesn't it? Graeme Le Saux's Chelsea teammates nicknamed him "the professor". Why? Because he collected antiques (insert head-in-hands emoji here).

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Painter Croydon 16 Jul 24 1.51pm
Originally posted by Eaglehamster It’ll be very interesting to see how many Premiership clubs rush in to sign him. I somehow don’t think the queue will be that long. He doesn’t need a job, he earned over £40m during his period as England manager. My guess he will join the pundit circuit.

Painter

Croydon 16 Jul 24 1.51pm

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

It’ll be very interesting to see how many Premiership clubs rush in to sign him. I somehow don’t think the queue will be that long.

He doesn’t need a job, he earned over £40m during his period as England manager. My guess he will join the pundit circuit.

Teddy Eagle 16 Jul 24 1.57pm
Originally posted by YT That sums up footballers, doesn't it? Graeme Le Saux's Chelsea teammates nicknamed him "the professor". Why? Because he collected antiques (insert head-in-hands emoji here). When Chelsea signed the seldom seen Winston Bogarde the players called him Humphrey. Presumably because they'd never heard of Dirk.

Teddy Eagle

16 Jul 24 1.57pm

Originally posted by YT

That sums up footballers, doesn't it? Graeme Le Saux's Chelsea teammates nicknamed him "the professor". Why? Because he collected antiques (insert head-in-hands emoji here).

When Chelsea signed the seldom seen Winston Bogarde the players called him Humphrey. Presumably because they'd never heard of Dirk.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jul 24 1.59pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The fate of many managers. It still amuses that his nickname among his contemporaries is "Nord" because they thought he sounded posh and the poshest person they knew was Denis Norden. It was actually Wally Downes who nicknamed him 'Nord' as in his opinion he sounded like Denis Norden.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jul 24 1.59pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The fate of many managers.
It still amuses that his nickname among his contemporaries is "Nord" because they thought he sounded posh and the poshest person they knew was Denis Norden.

It was actually Wally Downes who nicknamed him 'Nord' as in his opinion he sounded like Denis Norden.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 16 Jul 24 1.59pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle When Chelsea signed the seldom seen Winston Bogarde the players called him Humphrey. Presumably because they'd never heard of Dirk. Or just maybe Humphrey Bogart? This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 16 Jul 24 1.59pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

When Chelsea signed the seldom seen Winston Bogarde the players called him Humphrey. Presumably because they'd never heard of Dirk.

Or just maybe Humphrey Bogart?

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jul 24 2.02pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle When Chelsea signed the seldom seen Winston Bogarde the players called him Humphrey. Presumably because they'd never heard of Dirk. There was a striker at Sheff Utd by the name of Christian Nade whom Neil Warnock signed from Troyes. Warnock used to call him "Lemon" ! Edited by Willo (16 Jul 2024 2.13pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jul 24 2.02pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

When Chelsea signed the seldom seen Winston Bogarde the players called him Humphrey. Presumably because they'd never heard of Dirk.

There was a striker at Sheff Utd by the name of Christian Nade whom Neil Warnock signed from Troyes.
Warnock used to call him "Lemon" !

Edited by Willo (16 Jul 2024 2.13pm)

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Jul 24 2.11pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 It's harsh and whilst I do agree with this, I'd just consider it a bit one-dimensional. I think Southgate will actually be remembered fondly by many, especially if we return to the dark ages that preceded his appointment. The days of semis and finals will be recalled like fairy-tales if that happens. I'd suggest it is what it is. There's a lot of truth in what you've stated but I'd argue equally as I have stated above. He has failed to deliver the end goal, to cross the proverbial finish line, so there will be some regret and of course critique of that, but he must also take credit for getting us there in the first instance, especially where so many have failed so abjectly. He has taken or at least overseen England stepping up a level but the yearning is now for the ultimate prize which he has not delivered. Southgate must either be hailed as part of the process when this is achieved or vindicated when we go backwards. A good and fair post.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 16 Jul 24 2.11pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

It's harsh and whilst I do agree with this, I'd just consider it a bit one-dimensional.

A good and fair post.

Teddy Eagle 16 Jul 24 2.26pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Or just maybe Humphrey Bogart? Yes but his name wasn't Bogarde.

Teddy Eagle

16 Jul 24 2.26pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Or just maybe Humphrey Bogart?

Yes but his name wasn't Bogarde.

CrazyBadger Ware 16 Jul 24 2.26pm
The Stats will define his legacy, whilst time erodes the context. For me his tenure will be remembered as what might have been. Strong first tournament, albeit with a disappointing end, but continued to improve the team and environment without ever breaking the glass ceiling that England has imposed on itself, mainly through a litany of game management mistakes. Got it horribly wrong this time round. which gave him a near impossible task to win the thing. But like Moses and the Parting of the sea, the draw yet again opened up to show him to way to glory. He cautiously trod the seabed, his team just managing to drag him through before he succumbed to the closing waves behind him. The past Euro's has been a weird tournament, which has broken from 'the norm'. Previous tournaments under GS have seen better performances, utilising youth and energy, ended by bad game management. This one has seen bad performances, neglecting the youth (when he chose to select a young squad), but with (somewhat) improved game management. It Was like he had no faith in the squad he picked. What on paper looked like a squad so limited by defensive Injury that the best way was to attack, attack, attack. In reality what was served to us was protect the defence, protect the defence, protect the defence. That's where most of the criticism has been born from over this particular tournament. Everyone expected exciting, attacking intent - as we didn't have a defence so would HAVE to score more than the oppo. What GS went with was quite different. The Defensive partnership of Stones and Guehi was probably the best pairing in the tournament, but the message remained 'be patient and cautious'. Whatever happens now, the next manager is going to have one hell of a job on his hands. He has the weight of Southgates Stats as a yardstick to beat him with. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 16 Jul 24 2.26pm

The Stats will define his legacy, whilst time erodes the context.
For me his tenure will be remembered as what might have been. Strong first tournament, albeit with a disappointing end, but continued to improve the team and environment without ever breaking the glass ceiling that England has imposed on itself, mainly through a litany of game management mistakes.

Got it horribly wrong this time round. which gave him a near impossible task to win the thing. But like Moses and the Parting of the sea, the draw yet again opened up to show him to way to glory. He cautiously trod the seabed, his team just managing to drag him through before he succumbed to the closing waves behind him.

The past Euro's has been a weird tournament, which has broken from 'the norm'.
Previous tournaments under GS have seen better performances, utilising youth and energy, ended by bad game management.
This one has seen bad performances, neglecting the youth (when he chose to select a young squad), but with (somewhat) improved game management. It Was like he had no faith in the squad he picked.
What on paper looked like a squad so limited by defensive Injury that the best way was to attack, attack, attack. In reality what was served to us was protect the defence, protect the defence, protect the defence.
That's where most of the criticism has been born from over this particular tournament. Everyone expected exciting, attacking intent - as we didn't have a defence so would HAVE to score more than the oppo. What GS went with was quite different. The Defensive partnership of Stones and Guehi was probably the best pairing in the tournament, but the message remained 'be patient and cautious'.

Whatever happens now, the next manager is going to have one hell of a job on his hands. He has the weight of Southgates Stats as a yardstick to beat him with.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 16 Jul 24 2.36pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Yes but his name wasn't Bogarde. True, tho tbf, chelsea players aren't that bright, perhaps they got it from one of their Beano comics . . . This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 16 Jul 24 2.36pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yes but his name wasn't Bogarde.

True, tho tbf, chelsea players aren't that bright, perhaps they got it from one of their Beano comics . . .

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Teddy Eagle 16 Jul 24 2.55pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 True, tho tbf, chelsea players aren't that bright, perhaps they got it from one of their Beano comics . . . Indeed. It's a wonder they didn't sign Jason 'Trigger" McAteer.

Teddy Eagle

16 Jul 24 2.55pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

True, tho tbf, chelsea players aren't that bright, perhaps they got it from one of their Beano comics . . .

Indeed. It's a wonder they didn't sign Jason 'Trigger" McAteer.

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