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 Mapletree  Croydon 04 Jul 16 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
A lot of young people don't really care either way and didn't vote. A lot of young people voted leave. One side of the debate shouldn't characterise a whole group as thinking one way....just as not all older people voted leave. Did you read the earlier post? They voted as much as anyone else did.
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| Part Time James 04 Jul 16 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Yes, very true. Was just going to post something similar but you beat me to it ! Agreed. I voted Leave, both my parents voted Remain. And they never usually even get off their arse to vote for anything.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jul 16 5.04pm |
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Old enough to see through you.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jul 16 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Protests in London and York and over four million signed a petition. But it's a good job you know better than they what is right for the young people of our country. By the way, there really is no need to shout Edited by Mapletree (04 Jul 2016 4.36pm) Are you really still peddling this guff. I mean really? You clearly have little respect for peoples opinion that differs from yours and a lot of age prejudice. Do you want the world run by 16 year olds? Deluded.com
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| Mapletree Croydon 04 Jul 16 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Are you really still peddling this guff. I mean really? You clearly have little respect for peoples opinion that differs from yours and a lot of age prejudice. Do you want the world run by 16 year olds? Deluded.com Nope I also don't want the country run by the retired. Yet it is their votes that tipped the balance. And indeed their opinions that appear loudest on this thread.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jul 16 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
16-17 years olds should be able to vote - 'Old enough to f**k, old enough to vote'. But it would be a bit weird to make an issue of this now, rather than say before the general election, or the one before that. Where were these 'legal challenges' then. Basically, its a political gambit based on exploitation of issues to achieve an undemocratic result. Really, the only way a second referendum should be proposed is via a general election, or evidence of fraud or tampering significant to influence the result (such as postal ballot frauds, dead people voting, ballot box stuffing etc). All animals f***.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jul 16 5.18pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Nope I also don't want the country run by the retired. Yet it is their votes that tipped the balance. And indeed their opinions that appear loudest on this thread. You make them sound like another species. This is all about your inability to accept a democratic vote and the conceit that you know better.
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| Mapletree Croydon 04 Jul 16 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
All animals f***. There you go again, implying younger people are some kind of subhuman simean. With luck and considerable numbers of years they may evolve. Let's hope so, it will be they who decide which retirement home you go into.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jul 16 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Protests in London and York and over four million signed a petition. But it's a good job you know better than they what is right for the young people of our country. By the way, there really is no need to shout 4 million clicked on a website they were directed to and 40,000 London voters had a fabulous day out in the sunshine, faces painted, waving baguettes about and carrying placards with cringe messages of love for the EU that negatively affects the lives of millions of Brits. So what? It's hardly a revolution and 17 million voted out with resources and officials heavily stacked in favour of remain. In time you'll accept the decision. Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Jul 2016 6.10pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jul 16 6.07pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
16-17 years olds should be able to vote - 'Old enough to f**k, old enough to vote'. But it would be a bit weird to make an issue of this now, rather than say before the general election, or the one before that. Where were these 'legal challenges' then. Basically, its a political gambit based on exploitation of issues to achieve an undemocratic result. Really, the only way a second referendum should be proposed is via a general election, or evidence of fraud or tampering significant to influence the result (such as postal ballot frauds, dead people voting, ballot box stuffing etc). Not really old enough to work or support a family though are they? Or pay a bill, or know which bills need paying, etc etc etc. Old enough to tell parents what they're doing wrong no doubt, before crumbling in the big wide world. Old enough to ride a 50cc and f*** and smoke. Hardly a test to prove their responsibility.
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| Mapletree Croydon 04 Jul 16 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Not really old enough to work or support a family though are they? Or pay a bill, or know which bills need paying, etc etc etc. Old enough to tell parents what they're doing wrong no doubt, before crumbling in the big wide world. Old enough to ride a 50cc and f*** and smoke. Hardly a test to prove their responsibility. Yet there is no upper age on voting. Old enough to ride a mobility scooter, moan and drink tea. Hardly a test to prove their current mental abilities.
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| Mapletree Croydon 04 Jul 16 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
4 million clicked on a website they were directed to and 40,000 London voters had a fabulous day out in the sunshine, faces painted, waving baguettes about and carrying placards with cringe messages of love for the EU that negatively affects the lives of millions of Brits. So what? It's hardly a revolution and 17 million voted out with resources and officials heavily stacked in favour of remain. In time you'll accept the decision. Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Jul 2016 6.10pm) The so what is that I was answering the question raised by Willo. Where is the protest? Well, it's quite gentile but it is there. Would you rather it was riots?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jul 16 6.15pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Yet there is no upper age on voting. Old enough to ride a mobility scooter, moan and drink tea. Hardly a test to prove their current mental abilities. Lived through many govts, economic life cycles and see beyond the self interested and limp wristed excuses around today though I'd say.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jul 16 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
The so what is that I was answering the question raised by Willo. Where is the protest? Well, it's quite gentile but it is there. Would you rather it was riots? It was a family day out for many. Lots of primary and junior kids there who didn't know why they were there, other than to have a day out. Pretty much like a royal family event. And the kids who were there are very people who will benefit the most, oh and the kids of the privileged whingers. The limp wristed cannot riot properly. Just paint their faces, rant and insult on facebook and not face to face so there's no concerns about rioting. I'd be more concerned if parliament overrules the referendum and remainers and leavers clash in London.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 04 Jul 16 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Not really old enough to work or support a family though are they? Or pay a bill, or know which bills need paying, etc etc etc. Old enough to tell parents what they're doing wrong no doubt, before crumbling in the big wide world. Old enough to ride a 50cc and f*** and smoke. Hardly a test to prove their responsibility. Some of your 'ideas' about young people are utterly moronic.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jul 16 6.48pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Some of your 'ideas' about young people are utterly moronic. I have recently heard headlines from the remain camp regurgitated by young people who are supposed to be 'the educated young' compared to the bigoted idiots who voted leave. 3 million will lose their jobs If you really think enough of the 600,000 or so 16/17 year olds have enough knowledge or experience to analyse and make a decision that they haven't been brain washed into then fair enough. Only 36% of the 18-25 voted and then act like keyboard warriors who'd run a mile or clam once confronted. The best thing they can do is pull together and make the best of everything when a likely compromise or middle ground is reached with the EU members.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 04 Jul 16 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I have recently heard headlines from the remain camp regurgitated by young people who are supposed to be 'the educated young' compared to the bigoted idiots who voted leave. 3 million will lose their jobs If you really think enough of the 600,000 or so 16/17 year olds have enough knowledge or experience to analyse and make a decision that they haven't been brain washed into then fair enough. Only 36% of the 18-25 voted and then act like keyboard warriors who'd run a mile or clam once confronted. The best thing they can do is pull together and make the best of everything when a likely compromise or middle ground is reached with the EU members. I don't disagree with your argument at all, I just think the way you stereotype young people is lazy and weak. Judging by the bit in bold, you clearly disagree with the stereotyping of all leavers as bigots, and rightly so, but how do you then justify proceeding to stereotype another massive portion of society in a similar manner, as you have done across numerous posts on here recently?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jul 16 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't disagree with your argument at all, I just think the way you stereotype young people is lazy and weak. I could say the same when you post one liners. I'm stereotyping them because enough of them are showing themselves to be an embarrassment and forgetting some of the core values of our society, and all because they can do it from a keyboard. Before last week I felt sorry for all the young and how much harder it is to be able to live away from home. Not so much now but they can still redeem themselves, not that I think anything much when seeing young people out and about, apart from buying a belt and skinny jeans look shyte, or if they're anti social in daylight and in sight of people.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 04 Jul 16 7.03pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I could say the same when you post one liners. I'm stereotyping them because enough of them are showing themselves to be an embarrassment and forgetting some of the core values of our society, and all because they can do it from a keyboard. Before last week I felt sorry for all the young and how much harder it is to be able to live away from home. Not so much now but they can still redeem themselves, not that I think anything much when seeing young people out and about, apart from buying a belt and skinny jeans look shyte, or if they're anti social in daylight and in sight of people. Sorry - I did expand on my post above just as you replied. Regarding this post, and the bit in bold - the same rationale could so easily be applied to leavers - enough of them showed themselves to be an embarrassment, and forgot core values of our society, yet stereotyping them is rightly condemned. As I said above, I agree with a lot of your argument, I just find the lazy stereotyping to be in ill-taste, and more than a touch hypocritical.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Jul 16 7.08pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Sorry - I did expand on my post above just as you replied. Regarding this post, and the bit in bold - the same rationale could so easily be applied to leavers - enough of them showed themselves to be an embarrassment, and forgot core values of our society, yet stereotyping them is rightly condemned. As I said above, I agree with a lot of your argument, I just find the lazy stereotyping to be in ill-taste, and more than a touch hypocritical. There is a minority of racist incidents. These are low life scum and shouldn't be confused with us. The remainers who demand we undermine democracy are creating the poor behaviour, which is mainly online. If they cut it out then we can all move forward. More than likely the UK won't get everything the leavers want and then we'll all eventually move forward. The reverend on QT just after the ref had it right. I can't remember what he said but he was angry at the way the country was arguing with each other. Until they accept it, we cannot move forward. It is up to them. Until then, they are prolonging this divide. Nation divided is on Sky News tonight. The young can help to reverse the divide, or think about their own lives only. Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Jul 2016 7.11pm)
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