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 Stirlingsays  18 Nov 20 1.41pm |
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Talking about skin colour only seems to come from reductionists. We are animals and just as genes tell us about their inherited behaviour, they tell us about ours. They work both on the individual and group level. Of course culture is important but I find that culture is used to explain away everything which to be frank is a cope used by those who want it to. Culture or environmental influence can only affect genes to an extent. In truth there is a balance but at some point anyone with even basic sense understands that you can't 'culture' your way into Mensa....only your genes can. However, some are happy to travel along the erroneous path that genes have minimal impact......despite all the evidence to the contrary of inherited traits. Even this is a deflection away from the point that European elites have betrayed native populations. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Nov 2020 1.44pm)
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| W12 18 Nov 20 1.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have so far stayed out of this thread's little diversion onto one of this section of the Hol's favourite subjects, "whiteness", whilst we wait for Trump to implode, as my views have been expressed before. Despite all of the articles written and the commonly held beliefs both in the media and public perceptions, I think using skin colour to describe people is a big mistake when what is really meant are cultural differences. Which set me thinking. How "white" or "black" are we anyway? I have French and Spanish not too far back in my bloodline. The Spanish have quite a lot of Moorish blood in theirs. Most of us will have similar links. Take a look at this:- [Link] Just one extract might be enough:- "The average African-American genome, for example, is 73.2% African, 24% European, and 0.8% Native American, the team reports online today in The American Journal of Human Genetics. Latinos, meanwhile, carry an average of 18% Native American ancestry, 65.1% European ancestry (mostly from the Iberian Peninsula), and 6.2% African ancestry." You have laid out an explanation as to why Blacks and Hispanics are fundamentally different (yet similar to each other) from a genetic point of view and then used it as an argument as to why race or ethnicity doesn't matter.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 20 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by W12
You have laid out an explanation as to why Blacks and Hispanics are fundamentally different (yet similar to each other) from a genetic point of view and then used it as an argument as to why race or ethnicity doesn't matter. No I haven't. The argument is about using "black" or "white" as a description of a person.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Nov 20 2.17pm |
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The English/British/Irish are obviously northern Europeans and are recognized as a ethnic group. Our genes are predominantly on average a mix of both Germanic and Scandinavian with other minor influences, Celtic for example....surprising on average we have low Italian or even Norman genes remaining....probably because they mated less with the lower classes and more with the higher. We are European by collective group but just as 'African' is a term used to generalize groups as genetically different as Egyptians are to the Congo....Europeans, while not being as genetically different also have average group differences. We are all genetically related as we are all human just as if you continue to go back we are all also related to the first cell. However, truth via averages, isn't division it is simply truth however uncomfortable or inconvenient......just as comfortable lies are still lies. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Nov 2020 5.51pm)
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| Stirlingsays 18 Nov 20 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No I haven't. The argument is about using "black" or "white" as a description of a person. Well, it wasn't actually, you moved it onto that.
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| W12 18 Nov 20 2.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No I haven't. The argument is about using "black" or "white" as a description of a person. Yes you have with knobs on. By the way, "Black" (upper case obviously) is generally only used to assign properties of oppression, disadvantage and nobility where as "white" (lower case obviously) is used to malign white Europeans.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Nov 20 3.06pm |
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It's quite simple really. White people are in a small minority on the planet and yet have to pander to all others. We cannot show pride in our colour, our nations or our history because it offends others who stood still while we invented the modern world. We are denied the pride that others are encouraged to exhibit while at the same time the global percentage of Whites reduces decade by decade. Who are the oppressed? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Nov 2020 3.06pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 20 3.30pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Yes you have with knobs on. By the way, "Black" (upper case obviously) is generally only used to assign properties of oppression, disadvantage and nobility where as "white" (lower case obviously) is used to malign white Europeans. You, as with some many others posting here, are completely missing the point. I don't know whether that is deliberate or whether you genuinely don't understand it. You aren't alone though. Most of the media don't get it either and no doubt there will be many here that think I am talking through my backside. My hope is that one day there with be a lightbulb moment of realisation that allows light to flood into these dark corners.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Nov 20 3.45pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You, as with some many others posting here, are completely missing the point. I don't know whether that is deliberate or whether you genuinely don't understand it. You aren't alone though. Most of the media don't get it either and no doubt there will be many here that think I am talking through my backside. My hope is that one day there with be a lightbulb moment of realisation that allows light to flood into these dark corners. To paraphrase you on this site, you are someone who views lies as acceptable if it serves a practical purpose. Some will agree with you on that and others won't. If we are talking telling kids about Santa Claus I'm not bothered....but scaling it up causes the very strife they purport to want to avoid. The further you move away from a commitment to truth, the more negative the actual outcomes are for everybody.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 20 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
To paraphrase you on this site, you are someone who views lies as acceptable if it serves a practical purpose. Some will agree with you on that and others won't. If we are talking telling kids about Santa Claus I'm not bothered....but scaling it up causes the very strife they purport to want to avoid. The further you move away from a commitment to truth, the more negative the actual outcomes are for everybody. That is total garbage. I detest lies and liars. It's one of the biggest reasons I believe Trump to be a disaster. Whilst I recognise that many believe their opinions to represent the truth, whilst they are merely their opinions of what might be true, there are other things that are verifiable facts. I have no idea at all why you have come to that view. It is though a lie. Those who withhold the truth to avoid causing harm aren't liars.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Nov 20 4.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That is total garbage. I detest lies and liars. It's one of the biggest reasons I believe Trump to be a disaster. Whilst I recognise that many believe their opinions to represent the truth, whilst they are merely their opinions of what might be true, there are other things that are verifiable facts. I have no idea at all why you have come to that view. It is though a lie.
'The most powerful form of lie is the omission' (George Orwell)
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Teddy Eagle  18 Nov 20 5.46pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You, as with some many others posting here, are completely missing the point. I don't know whether that is deliberate or whether you genuinely don't understand it. You aren't alone though. Most of the media don't get it either and no doubt there will be many here that think I am talking through my backside. My hope is that one day there with be a lightbulb moment of realisation that allows light to flood into these dark corners. Many posters in here and most of the media? Not buying into the wisdom of crowds theory then?
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