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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jul 16 1.04pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


Move on? How exactly?

This Brexit is not just a thought process. There is no sudden new dawn. It is rather intricate and complicated. A helluvalot of things have to be sorted over the next five to ten years before we will be able to move on.

Leave was a protest vote. People have ranted. But I notice no one in the 'Out' camp is protesting on the streets that we invoke Article 50 now. It's like the EU is not so bad after all that we have to go sharp-ish, it appears.


Well some have not been able to let go of referendum defeat yet.
What bothers me is not the process going forward but the attempts by some to subvert it with spurious attempts to nullify the result with legal shenanigans.
The process was always going to take time and you will find the Leave camp getting militant if it appears that the Tories are trying to wriggle out of leaving the EU or brushing over immigration reduction.


 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jul 16 1.06pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Not that I want to rain on your Leave parade.....ok, i do....but nearly 200,000 non EU citizens, Africa, Asia, The Middle East and the Americas, etc, made up most of net migration.

52% ironically.

Leaving the EU will not put a stop to them.

There will be queues.

No, but the political trend is clear. People want a reduction in immigration and the government can cut non EU migration right now. Anyone failing to listen to the electorate will pay the price at the next election.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Jul 16 1.09pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Anyone want a pickled onion?

Just had a nice rice salad, with pickled onions and pickled cabbage mixed in. Delicious.

 


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Part Time James Flag 05 Jul 16 1.10pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Just had a nice rice salad, with pickled onions and pickled cabbage mixed in. Delicious.

Any cheddar? Crusty bread?

 




Hoof Hearted 05 Jul 16 1.13pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Not that I want to rain on your Leave parade.....ok, i do....but nearly 200,000 non EU citizens, Africa, Asia, The Middle East and the Americas, etc, made up most of net migration.

52% ironically.

Leaving the EU will not put a stop to them.

There will be queues.

The queues will be shorter by 133,000 then!

That's just the start though, once we instill the Aussie style points system, the only visitors here will be welcomed as part of a structured immigration strategy/programme and we will be expecting them rather than the unstructured "come on over join the party" attitude we currently have with muggers/rapists/pickpockets/drug peddlers/sex traffickers/terrorists etc amongst the genuine good guys looking to build a life for themselves and enrich our communities.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Jul 16 1.14pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Not that I want to rain on your Leave parade.....ok, i do....but nearly 200,000 non EU citizens, Africa, Asia, The Middle East and the Americas, etc, made up most of net migration.

52% ironically.

Leaving the EU will not put a stop to them.

There will be queues.

Technically though they are subject to UK immigration policy, laws and regulation in a way that EU migrants tend not to be.

Also, I think it will increase them, as corporate interests will switch towards non-EU labour as a means of keeping wages low, and will be looking for a friendly government that will be happy just putting up a 'EU Migration cut by 60%' battle cry, whilst carefully manipulating non-EU working migration statistics.

Its not immigration that's the issue, well except for the racists, but the scale of mass migration.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Jul 16 1.18pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The queues will be shorter by 133,000 then!

That's just the start though, once we instill the Aussie style points system, the only visitors here will be welcomed as part of a structured immigration strategy/programme and we will be expecting them rather than the unstructured "come on over join the party" attitude we currently have with muggers/rapists/pickpockets/drug peddlers/sex traffickers/terrorists etc amongst the genuine good guys looking to build a life for themselves and enrich our communities.

You do know the UK can and does turn them back at the border where they are aware of their offences, even if they're from the EU. The problem has more been the UK has been very poor with its border control systems, having completely failed to replace its 1992-1996 IT systems, until 2014

Pretty sure that you don't need a points system to prevent convicted felons from entering a country. How many points would you need to make up for prior convictions for rape or murder?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Jul 16 1.21pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Any cheddar? Crusty bread?

No, no options for either on the canteen menu, which I think is shockingly poor. Well they have something called Cheddar, but its a affront.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Jul 16 1.22pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Err, correction Hrolf. Read the thread. And it isn't just myself and Jamie who are uncomfortable with this attempt to subvert the outcome of the referendum. I suspect most Remain voters - while unhappy with the outcome and what appears to be the dismal level of education in this country - also accept the result.

Also, side note, I voted to leave.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 05 Jul 16 1.23pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The queues will be shorter by 133,000 then!

That's just the start though, once we instill the Aussie style points system, the only visitors here will be welcomed as part of a structured immigration strategy/programme and we will be expecting them rather than the unstructured "come on over join the party" attitude we currently have with muggers/rapists/pickpockets/drug peddlers/sex traffickers/terrorists etc amongst the genuine good guys looking to build a life for themselves and enrich our communities.

Ok. But if they pass the points system they will be allowed to bring their families over too. So if say 40,000 are allowed to settle per annum and they are qualified and experienced and needed then it's fair to say they won't be many 21 year olds amongst them.

Wives and children? That's gonna get that to over 100,000 straightaway. Australia allows the olds too to join their kids. So add another few thousand.

Then there's the fruit and veg pickers. They are needed.

Blimey. We are going to need loads.

 


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Part Time James Flag 05 Jul 16 1.23pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

No, no options for either on the canteen menu, which I think is shockingly poor. Well they have something called Cheddar, but its a affront.

Our office just has a microwave and a kettle. We're not even allowed a toaster any more. We have to do our washing up in the toilet. And we have to pay for t'privilege of working here 25 hours a day. Canteen, you don't know you're born.

 




Part Time James Flag 05 Jul 16 1.26pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ok. But if they pass the points system they will be allowed to bring their families over too. So if say 40,000 are allowed to settle per annum and they are qualified and experienced and needed then it's fair to say they won't be many 21 year olds amongst them.

Wives and children? That's gonna get that to over 100,000 straightaway. Australia allows the olds too to join their kids. So add another few thousand.

Then there's the fruit and veg pickers. They are needed.

Blimey. We are going to need loads.

I think they ought to be a bit more like Nectar points. So a fella could have 1,000 points for example (I don't know what the scale is) and if he behaves nicely he gets allocated more points which he can use to purchase white goods or to bring family members over who had previously been involved in a crime or only have two qualifications (one of which is a degree in the History of Art).

 




silvertop Flag Portishead 05 Jul 16 1.47pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Also, side note, I voted to leave.


 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jul 16 2.01pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

You do know the UK can and does turn them back at the border where they are aware of their offences, even if they're from the EU. The problem has more been the UK has been very poor with its border control systems, having completely failed to replace its 1992-1996 IT systems, until 2014

Pretty sure that you don't need a points system to prevent convicted felons from entering a country. How many points would you need to make up for prior convictions for rape or murder?


Yep. This is about shocking incompetence and a failure to bring systems up to a standard fit for the 21st century.

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Jul 16 2.29pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You sound so pompous and elitist dismissing every body that voted leave as intellectually inferior to you and your precious smartarse daughter that knows everything at age 16.

"...at best - ill advised"....... feck off!

-.-'

More personal insults. Clearly I am getting to you, which is nice.

I didn't say anyone voting Leave is intellectually inferior, I said they did it for their own purposes. Those don't match my aims in life, including my wishes for the future generations.

As for pant/bed wetting, you must be joking. I am sh*tting myself. We will have to make the best or a bad situation, I am just not sure how bad it is going to get and for how long.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Jul 16 3.43pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Our office just has a microwave and a kettle. We're not even allowed a toaster any more. We have to do our washing up in the toilet. And we have to pay for t'privilege of working here 25 hours a day. Canteen, you don't know you're born.

Its actually called Bistro. I feel like I've f**king arrived at the big time, compared to when I was working in Slough, opposite the rehab clinic, next to an illegal pub that acted largely as a crack and heroin retail outlet.

As a side note, due to recent posts on HoL I shall be having a Ploughman's for supper to make up for missing out on good cheddar and crusty bread a lunch.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Jul 16 3.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Yep. This is about shocking incompetence and a failure to bring systems up to a standard fit for the 21st century.

Problem is, now we've left the EU, obtaining that data from other countries is going to be a lot more difficult.

Still, way that Brexit is going, give it a year, and we could all be looking for work washing cars in Lithuania. Or be up for leader of a major UK political party.

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jul 16 4.11pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

You must hate me. If you didn't you would read my posts. To repeat, again. Young people voted in similar proportions to everyone else according to the London School of Economics survey undertaken by Opinium. Some quotes:

Bruter and Harrison said they found turnout among young people to be far higher than data has so far suggested. “Young people cared and voted in very large numbers. We found turnout was very close to the national average, and much higher than in general and local elections.

“After correcting for over-reporting [people always say they vote more than they do], we found that the likely turnout of 18- to 24-year-olds was 70% – just 2.5% below the national average – and 67% for 25- to 29-year-olds.

Opinium also found that, on average, British voters now believe that the typical UK household will be £264 worse off every year over the next five years.

More than 46.5 million people voted in the referendum on 23 June, which resulted in the UK voting by 51.9% to 49.1% to withdraw from the EU. More than 70% of people aged 18 to 24 voted to remain in the EU, while among those over 60 there was a large majority in favour of leaving.'

That's just one Iphone less in your household then each year so not a big problem then is it?

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jul 16 4.14pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You can join the army at 16 but not have a say in how the country is governed! Ridiculous.

That's boys service Nick and they cannot fight and die for their country until they are 18 as it is with voting rules!

 


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Part Time James Flag 05 Jul 16 4.16pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its actually called Bistro. I feel like I've f**king arrived at the big time, compared to when I was working in Slough, opposite the rehab clinic, next to an illegal pub that acted largely as a crack and heroin retail outlet.

As a side note, due to recent posts on HoL I shall be having a Ploughman's for supper to make up for missing out on good cheddar and crusty bread a lunch.

I'll be honest, I sometimes wish I was a ploughman. All the work is finished by about 2pm and then you can put your feet up with a nice bit of cheese, bread, onions and a token apple (for decoration) served by a buxom, rosy-cheeked wife. Bliss.

 




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