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 We are goin up!  Coulsdon 07 Jun 17 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by Hansy
He has done this most of the campaign. I remember seeing the Gateshead rally. And thinking, this was largely Labour last election why is he there? Damage limitation. Increase the popular vote, try to lose as few seats as possible.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Jun 17 3.04pm |
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This could go a long way in explaining Kermit's hatred of Boris Johnson. Edited by hedgehog50 (07 Jun 2017 3.08pm)
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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Attachment: | elgrande bedford 07 Jun 17 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
This could go a long way in explaining Kermit's hatred of Boris Johnson. Edited by hedgehog50 (07 Jun 2017 3.08pm) That's really quite funny,kerms that is good.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live. |
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
If you sign a lease which has a break penalty in it you have to pay the penalty if you break is a much better analogy. The amount payable will depend on the wording and terms of the clause. Much of the "bill" is in contingent liabilities on EU loans to which the UK is a guarantor (legally) so it will be lower than 100bn as not all of these loans will be bad. There may well be grounds for arguing that UK is due something back from the EU or that budgets aren't legal obligations (I don't know if they are or not). But the loan guarantees are definite legal obligations. Like the rest of the negotiations I imagine there will have to be some give and take and perhaps the "bill" will have elements of clawback or overage (which seems sensible). This is the point Theresa May has bought up with the other 27 countries as they have said they will make it hard for us, but you and I know once round the negotiating table things will even out. Juncker will be choking on his breakfast wine when the 27 countries star talking sense as they know THEY know they have a lot to lose if they come down hard on us. We must remember that Brexit is new territory for all concerned so it is best for all parties to be reasonable and sensible in the talks.
Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky. |
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 17 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
errr...you that's not Corbyn you rabble-rousing tits. Looks a lot like him to me. How do you know it isn't. Here's another image of the man who wants to be in charge of the British military. Having a nice cosy chat with a man partly responsible for putting its personnel in graves. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2017 3.12pm)
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Jun 17 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
London is definitely not all Labour. Start of the election it was polling mainly tory, and seats like battersea, tooting, croydon central are important marginals. But i'm more interested in what you say about May. When you say shes 'campaigning' in marginals, what part of her campaigning is actually aimed at winning over voters? She does a speech to tory party members, takes handpicked questions from the media and locks out people trying to get in to hear her. That isnt campaigning, its preaching to the choir and shielding yourself from the public.
If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4 |
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| Hansy 07 Jun 17 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
She does a speech to tory party members, takes handpicked questions from the media and locks out people trying to get in to hear her. That isnt campaigning, its preaching to the choir and shielding yourself from the public. And Corbyn declines interviews with the Media, Papers and podcasts. And when he or his shadow cabinet do, they slip up. That's not me defending the Tories. This is me showing it works both ways. Tories have had a bad campaign and May should of debated.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 07 Jun 17 3.20pm |
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Nowcast has Tories gaining 23 and Labour losing 13 seats for what it is worth
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Jun 17 3.23pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Here's another image of the man who wants to be in charge of the British military. Having a nice cosy chat with a man partly responsible for putting its personnel in graves. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jun 2017 3.12pm) Is he saying "it's Jeremy Thorpe you need to talk to if you want Paisley's dog shot".
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 17 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hansy
And Corbyn declines interviews with the Media, Papers and podcasts. And when he or his shadow cabinet do, they slip up. That's not me defending the Tories. This is me showing it works both ways. Tories have had a bad campaign and May should of debated. I agree......Neither of them are good speakers or campaigners. Corbyn represents real 'progressive/regressive' politics so he does motivate his base but as an actual speaker he's a dirge. May just doesn't cut it either.....Still should have debated though....Not a good look. Not though it makes any difference.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Hansy 07 Jun 17 3.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree......Neither of them are good speakers or campaigners. Corbyn represents real 'progressive/regressive' politics so he does motivate his base but as an actual speaker he's a dirge. May just doesn't cut it either.....Still should have debated though....Not a good look. Not though it makes any difference. Strange thing is they both debate each other every week in the PMQs. She should of been in the debate to focus more on SNP, and keep Labour at bay. imo SNP are at their weakest, as they try to appeal with a broader policy rather than the one policy they already lost.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jun 17 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
This election... One side: let's try and sort this country out, tackle inequality, homelessness, tax avoidance, losing the nhs. Other side: let's look at grainy pictures from the 80s and use them to smear the opposition. Anyone fancy digging up some pics of May at Tory conference in the 80s where they were singing hang mandela? Yep, this is Corbyn's Labour party.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 17 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by susmik
This is the point Theresa May has bought up with the other 27 countries as they have said they will make it hard for us, but you and I know once round the negotiating table things will even out. Juncker will be choking on his breakfast wine when the 27 countries star talking sense as they know THEY know they have a lot to lose if they come down hard on us. We must remember that Brexit is new territory for all concerned so it is best for all parties to be reasonable and sensible in the talks. Can you show me anything demonstrates this? All I've seen is statements to the effect that their priority is the interests of the EU-27, they want a good and positive relationship going forward and before any negotiations on a deal can commence there first needs to be agreement on the divorce bill, irish border and rights on EU nationals. The 100bn figure hasn't actually been endorsed by the EU-27. I agree that it is in the interests of all to be sensible and try and reach a mutually beneficial solution. Shame that May, Davis, Boris etc are doing their best to start us off on the wrong foot and making threats.
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| Hansy 07 Jun 17 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
This election... One side: let's try and sort this country out, tackle inequality, homelessness, tax avoidance, losing the nhs. Other side: let's look at grainy pictures from the 80s and use them to smear the opposition. Anyone fancy digging up some pics of May at Tory conference in the 80s where they were singing hang mandela? I'd like you to tell my ex-girlfriend who I cheated on 10 years ago, I will never do it again...
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 17 3.35pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree......Neither of them are good speakers or campaigners. Corbyn represents real 'progressive/regressive' politics so he does motivate his base but as an actual speaker he's a dirge. May just doesn't cut it either.....Still should have debated though....Not a good look. Not though it makes any difference. Given the general expectation I think Corbyn has had quite a good campaign and has spoken quite well. He's no Barrack Obama, but he's no Theresa May either.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 17 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hansy
Strange thing is they both debate each other every week in the PMQs. She should of been in the debate to focus more on SNP, and keep Labour at bay. imo SNP are at their weakest, as they try to appeal with a broader policy rather than the one policy they already lost. The general public pay a lot more attention to an election campaign than PMQs. She shouldn't have hidden behind that as an excuse.
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| Hansy 07 Jun 17 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Given the general expectation I think Corbyn has had quite a good campaign and has spoken quite well. He's no Barrack Obama, but he's no Theresa May either. I agree. Much better campaign than May. Though he may of been overshadowed if there was a more Centrist candidate. She shouldn't use the PMQs as an excuse. I was using that as to why she didn't debate on TV if she does it frequently. Doesn't really make sense. Edited by Hansy (07 Jun 2017 3.42pm)
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| DanH SW2 07 Jun 17 3.45pm |
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May's campaign has genuinely been one of the most arrogant and complacent that I can remember of any party's in any election in my voting life.
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