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Part Time James Flag 05 Jul 16 4.18pm

Originally posted by susmik

That's boys service Nick and they cannot fight and die for their country until they are 18 as it is with voting rules!

Looking at the kids down my road, I'd have a lot more faith in sending them off to kill a person than making an informed political decision.

 




susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jul 16 4.20pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Do you know, I used to wonder why we got so few new posters and so few from our younger supporters. Of course, the reason must be they are lazy, feckless and have no interest in Palace, local affairs or current affairs. Or, just maybe, they don't feel especially welcomed or valued.

They are too tied up on their facebook pages and mobile phones. Have you noticed that when they do come on the fan sites they post a lot of cr@p and expect far too much from their teams. Just look at the BBS for a start.

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Part Time James Flag 05 Jul 16 4.22pm

I think people ought to be 25 before they can vote.

 




susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jul 16 4.24pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Absobloominglutely.

Put my daughter in a room with my mother and see who wins the debates. And my mother is a denizen of a certain national political party, attending conferences n everything.

Does not say much for your mother which I think is quite a nasty thing to say about her just to bull up your daughter. Bad example in my honest opinion mate!
Very poor example.

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Stuk Flag Top half 05 Jul 16 4.25pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

I think people ought to be 25 before they can vote.

They keep raising the retirement age so it's only fair something gives at the other end.

I'd set the same age for driving.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jul 16 4.25pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Problem is, now we've left the EU, obtaining that data from other countries is going to be a lot more difficult.

Still, way that Brexit is going, give it a year, and we could all be looking for work washing cars in Lithuania. Or be up for leader of a major UK political party.

Ha.

Surely Interpol and the usual cooperation will still apply. It would not benefit anyone to disrupt it, other than terrorists.
This is surly similar scaremongering to the Right in France saying they would return the border to Dover.

If we don't leave Europe in an orderly fashion and cut immigration, your last sentence obviously wont apply to Labour or the Tories.

My new party would be campaigning for;

Reducing immigration to skilled professionals who have a job offer only.

Improving education standards and training for school leavers.
Hugely improved border controls.

The removal of Scottish MPs from English Parliament.

The banning of all overt religious symbols and clothing in public.

Bigger caps on rail prices with the threat of renationalisation.

The removal of inheritance tax.

A levy on anyone owning more than two homes.

That's just for starters.

 

Part Time James Flag 05 Jul 16 4.27pm

Originally posted by Stuk

They keep raising the retirement age so it's only fair something gives at the other end.

I'd set the same age for driving.

Yep. And class A drugs.

 




Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Jul 16 4.31pm

Originally posted by susmik

Does not say much for your mother which I think is quite a nasty thing to say about her just to bull up your daughter. Bad example in my honest opinion mate!
Very poor example.

To the contrary. My mother is a very practiced and accomplished debater, including at national conference and at the Sunday lunch table. It isn't nasty to say I believe my daughter generally wins their debates. It simply shows that age does not automatically indicate you are more thought through. The idea that 17 year olds shouldn't vote as they don't know what they are talking about does not hold any water with me.

Why on Earth would you think I am being nasty about my own mother? Did you not notice I wrote that she is a political activist of some standing?

Edited by Mapletree (05 Jul 2016 4.35pm)

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jul 16 4.39pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ok. But if they pass the points system they will be allowed to bring their families over too. So if say 40,000 are allowed to settle per annum and they are qualified and experienced and needed then it's fair to say they won't be many 21 year olds amongst them.

Wives and children? That's gonna get that to over 100,000 straightaway. Australia allows the olds too to join their kids. So add another few thousand.

Then there's the fruit and veg pickers. They are needed.

Blimey. We are going to need loads.

We have loads of school leavers out of work so use them !!

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Stuk Flag Top half 05 Jul 16 4.40pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Yep. And class A drugs.

But free when you receive a state pension, it might pop a few off and save a few quid.

 


Optimistic as ever

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Jul 16 4.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

My new party would be campaigning for;

The removal of Scottish from Devon and Cornwall.

That's just for starters.

Sounds a soft policy.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Jul 16 4.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ha.

Surely Interpol and the usual cooperation will still apply. It would not benefit anyone to disrupt it, other than terrorists.
This is surly similar scaremongering to the Right in France saying they would return the border to Dover.

Interpol doesn't do it, the obligation to provide data comes from a shared EU initiative I believe. Outside of the EU, its down the UK embassies to negotiate the information.

Thing is, if you've got a load of s**ty petty criminals kicking around in your country, and they might all f**k of to another country, its kind of in your national interest to let them become 'someone else problem'.

With the larger, nations such as Germany, France, Belgium etc its a lot easier. The problem becomes the quality of the records in countries like Lithuania, or Romania and of course whether the offence committed is an offence in the UK (It would be a bit harsh to ban people from the UK on the basis of a criminal conviction for something that's not illegal in the UK).

Plus of course you have to translate them on top of that. In many cases of course, the offences will not be recorded in computer records either.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Reducing immigration to skilled professionals who have a job offer only.

Quite agree, and the process should include a charge levied on the company, that can be redirected in to skills training in the UK.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Improving education standards and training for school leavers.

Definitely, but the fact that needs to be stated is a damning inditement of UK society and governments.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Hugely improved border controls.

They're generally quite good. What they need more is probably the staff, data and equipment to do the job more effectively.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The removal of Scottish MPs from English Parliament.

Won't happen without independence for Scotland, as its the UK parliament. I guess you could have an English Parliament, but then that would probably result in a reduction of influence England over the UK Parliament.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The banning of all overt religious symbols and clothing in public.

Can't see that getting through parliament, plus it would violate the Equality acts currently in place.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Bigger caps on rail prices with the threat of renationalisation.

Good stuff, and now a realistic threat with the EU exit.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The removal of inheritance tax.

I'm torn on this one - I'd probably agree but maybe see it set at a lower percentage, and scrap exemptions.

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A levy on anyone owning more than two homes.

Individuals, families or companies?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jul 16 4.42pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

To the contrary. My mother is a very practiced and accomplished debater, including at national conference and at the Sunday lunch table. It isn't nasty to say I believe my daughter generally wins their debates. It simply shows that age does not automatically indicate you are more thought through. The idea that 17 year olds shouldn't vote as they don't know what they are talking about does not hold any water with me.

Why on Earth would you think I am being nasty about my own mother?

Your daughter might be the reincarnation of Nietzsche but being intelligent, well educated or opinionated does not mean you are wise or have the benefit of experience.
Most teenagers, especially University educated ones are full of their own self importance and perceived intellect. The splurge out trite, cliched observations that they usually got from their parents or from some lecturer or a book they once read.

I'd raise the voting age to 25.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 05 Jul 16 4.44pm

Originally posted by susmik

We have loads of school leavers out of work so use them !!

As long as they're paid a fair wage, and have their travel and accommodation provided.

 


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Part Time James Flag 05 Jul 16 4.48pm

Originally posted by Stuk

But free when you receive a state pension, it might pop a few off and save a few quid.

Also, they probably won't need any other medication when they are as high as a kite so it'll ultimately save the NHS a fortune.

And it'll be less distressing for the grandkids.

"Mum, Nan can't remember my name any more"
"That's because she is off her box on cheap skag"
"Oh good, I thought she had lost her marbles"

 




susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jul 16 4.48pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

To the contrary. My mother is a very practiced and accomplished debater, including at national conference and at the Sunday lunch table. It isn't nasty to say I believe my daughter generally wins their debates. It simply shows that age does not automatically indicate you are more thought through. The idea that 17 year olds shouldn't vote as they don't know what they are talking about does not hold any water with me.

Why on Earth would you think I am being nasty about my own mother? Did you not notice I wrote that she is a political activist of some standing?

Edited by Mapletree (05 Jul 2016 4.35pm)

Because you are making out that your 16 year old daughter is brain of Britain and your mother came second. I do not think for one minute that your daughter is as clever as you make out and I tend to think that the young ones have no common dog fat or to put it in their terms "common sense" as their minds have not matured enough as we all know ourselves by our children and grand children. I still think you did your mother a wrong!

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Jul 16 4.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Individuals, families or companies?

Individuals.

Of course the make up of Parliament would be different in my future Britain. Religious clap trap would be on my radar.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 05 Jul 16 4.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

As long as they're paid a fair wage, and have their travel and accommodation provided.

Its not the wages and accommodation Jamie its the getting them off their fat behinds that will be the biggest problem LOL

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Part Time James Flag 05 Jul 16 4.53pm

I voted for a specific party until the age of about 25 purely because my parents voted that way and I was naive enough to take their word as Gospel. Now, I am prepared to admit that I have always been a bit behind my peers in terms of maturity so 25 is an extreme case. However, when I actually started to look at politics in more depth for myself, my stance changed a lot and I tend to find I associate very little with the party I used to feel so strongly in favour of.

I appreciate that over the course of anyone's lifetime their opinions shift and people often say folks tend to slide towards the right as they get older. However, I can categorically say that until the age of 25 for me (as I say, I do appreciate it could be a bit younger for others) I wasn't attempting to make an informed decision on how I would vote because I trusted my parents to be right without questioning it.

Edited by Part Time James (05 Jul 2016 4.57pm)

 




EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 05 Jul 16 4.53pm

Originally posted by susmik

They are too tied up on their facebook pages and mobile phones. Have you noticed that when they do come on the fan sites they post a lot of cr@p and expect far too much from their teams. Just look at the BBS for a start.

How would you know who's a young poster on here (or BBS) and who isn't?

 

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