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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Jun 17 3.55pm

Originally posted by DanH

May's campaign has genuinely been one of the most arrogant and complacent that I can remember of any party's in any election in my voting life.

Even if that was true(which it isn't),when the influx of Commies voted Corbyn in as leader, everyone knew Labour would be condemned to the political wilderness.
They will never get into power until they have a leader and real policies (not empty promises) that are representative of the majority, not minorities, unions and loony idealists.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 07 Jun 17 3.56pm

Originally posted by DanH

May's campaign has genuinely been one of the most arrogant and complacent that I can remember of any party's in any election in my voting life.

I don't think it is necessarily arrogance, more is an awareness that she is poor in that type of scenario. So why risk it


 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 07 Jun 17 4.08pm

Originally posted by DanH

May's campaign has genuinely been one of the most arrogant and complacent that I can remember of any party's in any election in my voting life.

Labour's campaign in 1992 takes some beating although you were probably just a gleam in the milkman's eye at the time.

Cringeworthy.

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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Can you show me anything demonstrates this? All I've seen is statements to the effect that their priority is the interests of the EU-27, they want a good and positive relationship going forward and before any negotiations on a deal can commence there first needs to be agreement on the divorce bill, irish border and rights on EU nationals. The 100bn figure hasn't actually been endorsed by the EU-27.

I agree that it is in the interests of all to be sensible and try and reach a mutually beneficial solution. Shame that May, Davis, Boris etc are doing their best to start us off on the wrong foot and making threats.

You are really not paying attention to details are you?
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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 07 Jun 17 4.27pm

Originally posted by susmik

You are really not paying attention to details are you?
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So you can't show me anything then. Clearly you're not paying attention as it sounds like you've only read the headline of that article.

No official statement from anyone, merely a quote from a (frankly irrelevant) Marine Le Pen, a statement of fact from Merkel (note she says "full access", not simply free trade).

Then the quote from the Netherlands PM says nothing about wanting to punish the UK, simply, and accurately, that there is no plan, the UK is under-prepared and May doesn't have the team to negotiate and that we need to realise this quickly (which is true).

That article says nothing about the EU wanting a bad deal for the UK, just simply that their priorities are the EU-27 (duh).

The headline in fact makes no sense. The body of article itself implies that the EU want a hard Brexit far from Sabotaging it! Terrible journalism.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 4.36pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

So you can't show me anything then. Clearly you're not paying attention as it sounds like you've only read the headline of that article.

No official statement from anyone, merely a quote from a (frankly irrelevant) Marine Le Pen, a statement of fact from Merkel (note she says "full access", not simply free trade).

Then the quote from the Netherlands PM says nothing about wanting to punish the UK, simply, and accurately, that there is no plan, the UK is under-prepared and May doesn't have the team to negotiate and that we need to realise this quickly (which is true).

That article says nothing about the EU wanting a bad deal for the UK, just simply that their priorities are the EU-27 (duh).

The headline in fact makes no sense. The body of article itself implies that the EU want a hard Brexit far from Sabotaging it! Terrible journalism.

You really do look at things differently to the rest of us as it has been said so many many times on the news and in the press that we are going to get a hard ride in the negotiations and they are going to make us pay for leaving the EU. I would have thought that someone who professes to know all as you do you would have noticed it time and time again. That is why David Davis has told them to get stuffed. I am sure you read only what you what to read and see and spend all day on the web dreaming up and posting all manner of things to make you look smart...but you aint!

 


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davidpercival Flag Croydon 07 Jun 17 4.36pm

May was complaining that Corbyn was doing too much on the tele and she wanted to talk to ordinary voters (not that she has mind). He has being doing loads more interviews and meetings than her, plus he turned up to debate and she didn't. It is not him hiding, it is her.

Originally posted by Hansy

And Corbyn declines interviews with the Media, Papers and podcasts. And when he or his shadow cabinet do, they slip up.

That's not me defending the Tories. This is me showing it works both ways. Tories have had a bad campaign and May should of debated.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 17 4.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Even if that was true(which it isn't),when the influx of Commies voted Corbyn in as leader, everyone knew Labour would be condemned to the political wilderness.
They will never get into power until they have a leader and real policies (not empty promises) that are representative of the majority, not minorities, unions and loony idealists.

So out of the 150000+ who joined Labour in the Corbyn era, how many are commies, keeping in mind that in 2015 the CPB polled 1229 votes and that there were in 2015 , 772 members of the party [Link] ?

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 4.42pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

So you can't show me anything then. Clearly you're not paying attention as it sounds like you've only read the headline of that article.

No official statement from anyone, merely a quote from a (frankly irrelevant) Marine Le Pen, a statement of fact from Merkel (note she says "full access", not simply free trade).

Then the quote from the Netherlands PM says nothing about wanting to punish the UK, simply, and accurately, that there is no plan, the UK is under-prepared and May doesn't have the team to negotiate and that we need to realise this quickly (which is true).

That article says nothing about the EU wanting a bad deal for the UK, just simply that their priorities are the EU-27 (duh).

The headline in fact makes no sense. The body of article itself implies that the EU want a hard Brexit far from Sabotaging it! Terrible journalism.

Note the headlines on this one then and then digest the whole article.

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 07 Jun 17 4.45pm

Originally posted by susmik

You really do look at things differently to the rest of us as it has been said so many many times on the news and in the press that we are going to get a hard ride in the negotiations and they are going to make us pay for leaving the EU. I would have thought that someone who professes to know all as you do you would have noticed it time and time again. That is why David Davis has told them to get stuffed. I am sure you read only what you what to read and see and spend all day on the web dreaming up and posting all manner of things to make you look smart...but you aint!

Whereas you just constantly resort to name calling and trolling.

I'm simply saying that they've not been saying they are out to give the UK a hard time, but that they will be representing the best interests of their own members. Certain analysis have insinuated that the EU will want to make an example out of the UK but there has been little of the rhetoric from those actually on the EU-27 negotiating team. In fact their position is strong and stable and they have clearly set their stall out, but have expressed a desire to worth with the UK and not to conduct negotiations at loggerheads. We should be entering negotiations with the same attitude and not "telling them to get stuffed" before we've even sat down. If you would rather just tell them to piss off before we've started and think that makes you look smart... well it don't

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 07 Jun 17 4.46pm

Originally posted by susmik

Note the headlines on this one then and then digest the whole article.

The headline says they are trying to sabotage a hard brexit, but then the article says the EU won't allow single market access (aka soft brexit). I suggest you follow your own advice.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 4.47pm

Originally posted by davidpercival

May was complaining that Corbyn was doing too much on the tele and she wanted to talk to ordinary voters (not that she has mind). He has being doing loads more interviews and meetings than her, plus he turned up to debate and she didn't. It is not him hiding, it is her.

To be honest the BBC or should I say CBC (Corbyns Broadcasting Company)has been following Corbyn every where and left May out in the cold. I think it is because the BBC has always lent towards Labour all these years.
Thank god the election is tomorrow and we can get down to sorting Brexit out as May needs to get her arse in gear and sort out the EU countries dying to have a go at us. I suppose though there will be thread after thread of how Corbyn got ripped off, the vote was fixed etc.... But hey ho that's politics.

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Hansy Flag 07 Jun 17 4.52pm

As long as people respect democracy, I am happy.

The sh*tshow after Brexit was announced was embarrassing.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 17 4.52pm

Originally posted by susmik

To be honest the BBC or should I say CBC (Corbyns Broadcasting Company)has been following Corbyn every where and left May out in the cold. I think it is because the BBC has always lent towards Labour all these years.
Thank god the election is tomorrow and we can get down to sorting Brexit out as May needs to get her arse in gear and sort out the EU countries dying to have a go at us. I suppose though there will be thread after thread of how Corbyn got ripped off, the vote was fixed etc.... But hey ho that's politics.

If she's still in office.

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 07 Jun 17 4.55pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So out of the 150000+ who joined Labour in the Corbyn era, how many are commies, keeping in mind that in 2015 the CPB polled 1229 votes and that there were in 2015 , 772 members of the party [Link] ?

From the New Statesman:
"In the same 2006 interview he [McDonnell] argued that the first-past-the-post electoral system and “the affinity and loyalty of the large section of the labour movement and of the working class” to Labour (“you can call it false consciousness or whatever”) meant for “very pragmatic reasons” it was “important to work within” the party ... “It's the old Gramsci thing - we're trying to win the battle of ideas on the basis of a really thorough, democratic debate. So we're trying to win hegemony within both the party and the country. And then, use that battle of ideas to make sure we can reflect that in the battle of organisation within the movement overall.”

Antonio Gramsci, one of the most influential Marxist thinkers, advocated a “long march through the institutions”. This entailed working within established organisations (such as Labour) with the intention of winning them for the revolutionary cause.
McDonnell’s strategy was derided by leftists such as George Galloway. But with the election of Corbyn as leader it was vindicated. In 2006, McDonnell spoke presciently of a “dormant” left which could “easily be re-engaged” with Labour. Ed Miliband’s reform of the party’s leadership voting system in 2014 transferred sovereignty to them. In what he regarded as the twilight of his political career, McDonnell’s “long march” finally bore fruit."

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 17 4.59pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

From the New Statesman:
"In the same 2006 interview he [McDonnell] argued that the first-past-the-post electoral system and “the affinity and loyalty of the large section of the labour movement and of the working class” to Labour (“you can call it false consciousness or whatever”) meant for “very pragmatic reasons” it was “important to work within” the party ... “It's the old Gramsci thing - we're trying to win the battle of ideas on the basis of a really thorough, democratic debate. So we're trying to win hegemony within both the party and the country. And then, use that battle of ideas to make sure we can reflect that in the battle of organisation within the movement overall.”

Antonio Gramsci, one of the most influential Marxist thinkers, advocated a “long march through the institutions”. This entailed working within established organisations (such as Labour) with the intention of winning them for the revolutionary cause.
McDonnell’s strategy was derided by leftists such as George Galloway. But with the election of Corbyn as leader it was vindicated. In 2006, McDonnell spoke presciently of a “dormant” left which could “easily be re-engaged” with Labour. Ed Miliband’s reform of the party’s leadership voting system in 2014 transferred sovereignty to them. In what he regarded as the twilight of his political career, McDonnell’s “long march” finally bore fruit."

That's doesn't answer my question about the number of commies who have joined the Labour party.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 07 Jun 17 5.01pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If she's still in office.

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If it is untrue then she should apologise. If you go down the route of trying to prosecute every politician who lies / misrepresents what another has said, we won't have anyone left

All sides do it all the time. Doesn't make it right but if the police tried to do anything it would open a can of worms

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Jun 17 5.01pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So out of the 150000+ who joined Labour in the Corbyn era, how many are commies, keeping in mind that in 2015 the CPB polled 1229 votes and that there were in 2015 , 772 members of the party [Link] ?

The loony left is alive and well in the Labour membership and Corby is their god. Call them what you like.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 07 Jun 17 5.03pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

That's doesn't answer my question about the number of commies who have joined the Labour party.

Joined?

 


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Hansy Flag 07 Jun 17 5.11pm

Jeremy Corbyn has made a staunch defence of his decision to draft in a former trade union official to help run Labour’s general election campaign.

Murray, who quit the Communist Party of Great Britain last year to join Labour, has come under fire for his previous views on Stalin and North Korea.

Maybe just one. One too many

 

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