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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 17 5.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Joined? H said loads of commies joined Labour to elect Corbyn. Given that there are only 700 of them...

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 17 5.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Joined?

H said loads of commies joined Labour to elect Corbyn. Given that there are only 700 of them...

hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Jun 17 5.15pm
Originally posted by nickgusset That's doesn't answer my question about the number of commies who have joined the Labour party. Well, McDonnell for one obviously. Out of the 150,000? I would put it at 145,069 - no, on reflection, 145,066 [three of them are anarcho-syndicalists]. Edited by hedgehog50 (07 Jun 2017 5.27pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 07 Jun 17 5.15pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

That's doesn't answer my question about the number of commies who have joined the Labour party.

Well, McDonnell for one obviously. Out of the 150,000? I would put it at 145,069 - no, on reflection, 145,066 [three of them are anarcho-syndicalists].

Edited by hedgehog50 (07 Jun 2017 5.27pm)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 17 5.33pm
Add this to her being found to having acted unlawfully while home sec and her support of candidate being prosecuted for electoral fraud. She holds us, our rights and our laws in contempt and acts as if she's above them.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 07 Jun 17 5.33pm

Add this to her being found to having acted unlawfully while home sec and her support of candidate being prosecuted for electoral fraud. She holds us, our rights and our laws in contempt and acts as if she's above them.

Hansy 07 Jun 17 5.35pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Add this to her being found to having acted unlawfully while home sec and her support of candidate being prosecuted for electoral fraud. She holds us, our rights and our laws in contempt and acts as if she's above them. And Blair involved us in an illegal war. Come on, these are politicians, they all lie.

Hansy

07 Jun 17 5.35pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

And Blair involved us in an illegal war. Come on, these are politicians, they all lie.

Hansy 07 Jun 17 5.40pm
Theresa May has visited the greater range of seats during the campaign, with the Prime Minister travelling to 68 different constituencies. Labour's Jeremy Corbyn campaigned in 63 seats, while Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron took his campaign to 37 different constituencies, an analysis by the Press Association has found. Mrs May made 63% of her campaign visits to Labour seats, taking in 23 Labour-held marginals. Mr Corbyn focused more on Labour strongholds than any other type of seat, spending 37% of his visits addressing the party faithful, compared with only 5% in Labour marginals. This is why Corbyn will lose.

Hansy

07 Jun 17 5.40pm

Theresa May has visited the greater range of seats during the campaign, with the Prime Minister travelling to 68 different constituencies.

Labour's Jeremy Corbyn campaigned in 63 seats, while Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron took his campaign to 37 different constituencies, an analysis by the Press Association has found.

Mrs May made 63% of her campaign visits to Labour seats, taking in 23 Labour-held marginals.

Mr Corbyn focused more on Labour strongholds than any other type of seat, spending 37% of his visits addressing the party faithful, compared with only 5% in Labour marginals.

This is why Corbyn will lose.

serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Jun 17 5.51pm
Originally posted by Hansy Theresa May has visited the greater range of seats during the campaign, with the Prime Minister travelling to 68 different constituencies. Labour's Jeremy Corbyn campaigned in 63 seats, while Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron took his campaign to 37 different constituencies, an analysis by the Press Association has found. Mrs May made 63% of her campaign visits to Labour seats, taking in 23 Labour-held marginals. Mr Corbyn focused more on Labour strongholds than any other type of seat, spending 37% of his visits addressing the party faithful, compared with only 5% in Labour marginals. This is why Corbyn will lose. But she hasn't actually visited these places! Shes spoken to tory members and shut out the general public. How is that a strategy to win votes? Like saying 'i've been to paris' but you never left the airport... If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 07 Jun 17 5.51pm

Originally posted by Hansy

Theresa May has visited the greater range of seats during the campaign, with the Prime Minister travelling to 68 different constituencies.

Labour's Jeremy Corbyn campaigned in 63 seats, while Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron took his campaign to 37 different constituencies, an analysis by the Press Association has found.

Mrs May made 63% of her campaign visits to Labour seats, taking in 23 Labour-held marginals.

Mr Corbyn focused more on Labour strongholds than any other type of seat, spending 37% of his visits addressing the party faithful, compared with only 5% in Labour marginals.

This is why Corbyn will lose.

But she hasn't actually visited these places! Shes spoken to tory members and shut out the general public. How is that a strategy to win votes?

Like saying 'i've been to paris' but you never left the airport...

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Hansy 07 Jun 17 5.56pm
Originally posted by serial thriller But she hasn't actually visited these places! Shes spoken to tory members and shut out the general public. How is that a strategy to win votes? Like saying 'i've been to paris' but you never left the airport... She has visited the places. I've seen videos of her door knocking in alot of different areas. Just because she's not hosting rallies, and doing small Q and A sessions in warehouses doesn't mean that's all she is doing. Special mention to the Lib Dems and Fallon who have been focusing on areas that voted in favour of Leave.

Hansy

07 Jun 17 5.56pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

But she hasn't actually visited these places! Shes spoken to tory members and shut out the general public. How is that a strategy to win votes?

Like saying 'i've been to paris' but you never left the airport...

She has visited the places. I've seen videos of her door knocking in alot of different areas. Just because she's not hosting rallies, and doing small Q and A sessions in warehouses doesn't mean that's all she is doing.

Special mention to the Lib Dems and Fallon who have been focusing on areas that voted in favour of Leave.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 07 Jun 17 6.02pm
Originally posted by Hansy And Blair involved us in an illegal war. Come on, these are politicians, they all lie. Is Blair standing for PM in this election? Is not only that she's a liar but she's also a acted unlawfully on multiple occasions Edited by CambridgeEagle (07 Jun 2017 6.09pm)

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 07 Jun 17 6.02pm

Originally posted by Hansy

And Blair involved us in an illegal war. Come on, these are politicians, they all lie.

Is Blair standing for PM in this election? Is not only that she's a liar but she's also a acted unlawfully on multiple occasions

Edited by CambridgeEagle (07 Jun 2017 6.09pm)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jun 17 6.11pm
Originally posted by Hansy She has visited the places. I've seen videos of her door knocking in alot of different areas. Just because she's not hosting rallies, and doing small Q and A sessions in warehouses doesn't mean that's all she is doing. Special mention to the Lib Dems and Fallon who have been focusing on areas that voted in favour of Leave. And had the door shut in his face. The Sutton and Merton vote will be interesting. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 07 Jun 17 6.11pm

Originally posted by Hansy

Special mention to the Lib Dems and Fallon who have been focusing on areas that voted in favour of Leave.

And had the door shut in his face. The Sutton and Merton vote will be interesting.

COYP

hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Jun 17 6.32pm
Originally posted by nickgusset H said loads of commies joined Labour to elect Corbyn. Given that there are only 700 of them... If Corbyn wins, do you think he will make you head of the Selhurst Soviet - you'd get one of those long leather coats and all that. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 07 Jun 17 6.32pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

H said loads of commies joined Labour to elect Corbyn. Given that there are only 700 of them...

If Corbyn wins, do you think he will make you head of the Selhurst Soviet - you'd get one of those long leather coats and all that.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 7.07pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Whereas you just constantly resort to name calling and trolling. I'm simply saying that they've not been saying they are out to give the UK a hard time, but that they will be representing the best interests of their own members. Certain analysis have insinuated that the EU will want to make an example out of the UK but there has been little of the rhetoric from those actually on the EU-27 negotiating team. In fact their position is strong and stable and they have clearly set their stall out, but have expressed a desire to worth with the UK and not to conduct negotiations at loggerheads. We should be entering negotiations with the same attitude and not "telling them to get stuffed" before we've even sat down. If you would rather just tell them to piss off before we've started and think that makes you look smart... well it don't Explain yourself on that statement please. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 7.07pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Whereas you just constantly resort to name calling and trolling.
I'm simply saying that they've not been saying they are out to give the UK a hard time, but that they will be representing the best interests of their own members. Certain analysis have insinuated that the EU will want to make an example out of the UK but there has been little of the rhetoric from those actually on the EU-27 negotiating team. In fact their position is strong and stable and they have clearly set their stall out, but have expressed a desire to worth with the UK and not to conduct negotiations at loggerheads. We should be entering negotiations with the same attitude and not "telling them to get stuffed" before we've even sat down. If you would rather just tell them to piss off before we've started and think that makes you look smart... well it don't

Explain yourself on that statement please.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 7.12pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle The headline says they are trying to sabotage a hard brexit, but then the article says the EU won't allow single market access (aka soft brexit). I suggest you follow your own advice. Your not steeleye20 by any chance ??? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 7.12pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The headline says they are trying to sabotage a hard brexit, but then the article says the EU won't allow single market access (aka soft brexit). I suggest you follow your own advice.

Your not steeleye20 by any chance ???

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 7.16pm
Originally posted by nickgusset If she's still in office. [Link] and [Link] The opposition will try ANYTHING Nick to get what they want. It is what I call poor politics. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Jun 17 7.16pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If she's still in office.

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and

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The opposition will try ANYTHING Nick to get what they want. It is what I call poor politics.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

We are goin up! Coulsdon 07 Jun 17 7.19pm
Originally posted by serial thriller London is definitely not all Labour. Start of the election it was polling mainly tory, and seats like battersea, tooting, croydon central are important marginals. But i'm more interested in what you say about May. When you say shes 'campaigning' in marginals, what part of her campaigning is actually aimed at winning over voters? She does a speech to tory party members, takes handpicked questions from the media and locks out people trying to get in to hear her. That isnt campaigning, its preaching to the choir and shielding yourself from the public. Where to start with this...? Labour hold 45 out of 73 seats in London. Look at a map of how the country voted last time, Labour already gained 7 seats at the last election in London. It's their stronghold, and I daresay they'll gain a couple more. But the vast majority of marginals aren't held in London. When people talk of Labour being in an Islington bubble, this is exactly what they're talking about. Surely you can see the irony of saying May is "preaching to the choir" when Corbyn is doing rallies to huge crowds that already support him? Maybe you're right and I'm wrong, but I just don't see how Corbyn's campaign strategy helps him win back seats in the Midlands for example. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up!

Coulsdon 07 Jun 17 7.19pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

London is definitely not all Labour. Start of the election it was polling mainly tory, and seats like battersea, tooting, croydon central are important marginals.

But i'm more interested in what you say about May. When you say shes 'campaigning' in marginals, what part of her campaigning is actually aimed at winning over voters? She does a speech to tory party members, takes handpicked questions from the media and locks out people trying to get in to hear her. That isnt campaigning, its preaching to the choir and shielding yourself from the public.

Where to start with this...?

Labour hold 45 out of 73 seats in London. Look at a map of how the country voted last time, Labour already gained 7 seats at the last election in London. It's their stronghold, and I daresay they'll gain a couple more. But the vast majority of marginals aren't held in London. When people talk of Labour being in an Islington bubble, this is exactly what they're talking about.

Surely you can see the irony of saying May is "preaching to the choir" when Corbyn is doing rallies to huge crowds that already support him? Maybe you're right and I'm wrong, but I just don't see how Corbyn's campaign strategy helps him win back seats in the Midlands for example.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Jun 17 7.20pm
Originally posted by Hansy She has visited the places. I've seen videos of her door knocking in alot of different areas. Just because she's not hosting rallies, and doing small Q and A sessions in warehouses doesn't mean that's all she is doing. Special mention to the Lib Dems and Fallon who have been focusing on areas that voted in favour of Leave. But even with door knocking, each party has a complete record of every house's residents and voter histories. She will only have knocked safe tory houses, even then a few have challenged her and she's wilted. [Link] Look at this link. Even respected right wing journalists have been incredibly frustrated by her for not taking a broad range of questions. The aim of visiting areas is to engage with the people who might win you the constituency. If you can find me one example of her actually leaving a pre-planned space and meeting real people, i'll admit i'm wrong. For anyone interested in democracy, accountability or rigour, her performance in these past 6 weeks is a total f***ing farce. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 07 Jun 17 7.20pm

Originally posted by Hansy

Special mention to the Lib Dems and Fallon who have been focusing on areas that voted in favour of Leave.

But even with door knocking, each party has a complete record of every house's residents and voter histories. She will only have knocked safe tory houses, even then a few have challenged her and she's wilted.

[Link]

Look at this link. Even respected right wing journalists have been incredibly frustrated by her for not taking a broad range of questions.

The aim of visiting areas is to engage with the people who might win you the constituency. If you can find me one example of her actually leaving a pre-planned space and meeting real people, i'll admit i'm wrong.

For anyone interested in democracy, accountability or rigour, her performance in these past 6 weeks is a total f***ing farce.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

We are goin up! Coulsdon 07 Jun 17 7.25pm
Originally posted by serial thriller But even with door knocking, each party has a complete record of every house's residents and voter histories. She will only have knocked safe tory houses, even then a few have challenged her and she's wilted. [Link] Look at this link. Even respected right wing journalists have been incredibly frustrated by her for not taking a broad range of questions. The aim of visiting areas is to engage with the people who might win you the constituency. If you can find me one example of her actually leaving a pre-planned space and meeting real people, i'll admit i'm wrong. For anyone interested in democracy, accountability or rigour, her performance in these past 6 weeks is a total f*ing farce. Attachment**: marginals.jpg (123.88Kb) The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up!

Coulsdon 07 Jun 17 7.25pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

[Link]

Look at this link. Even respected right wing journalists have been incredibly frustrated by her for not taking a broad range of questions.

For anyone interested in democracy, accountability or rigour, her performance in these past 6 weeks is a total f***ing farce.

Attachment: marginals.jpg (123.88Kb)

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Jun 17 7.28pm
Originally posted by We are goin up! Where to start with this...? Labour hold 45 out of 73 seats in London. Look at a map of how the country voted last time, Labour already gained 7 seats at the last election in London. It's their stronghold, and I daresay they'll gain a couple more. But the vast majority of marginals aren't held in London. When people talk of Labour being in an Islington bubble, this is exactly what they're talking about. Surely you can see the irony of saying May is "preaching to the choir" when Corbyn is doing rallies to huge crowds that already support him? Maybe you're right and I'm wrong, but I just don't see how Corbyn's campaign strategy helps him win back seats in the Midlands for example. I think that Labour were overly cautious about getting corbyn in to marginals. That was, i think, mainly down to those MPs not wanting him there, but i bet they wish he was there pulling in crowds of hundreds now. Look at the polls. Labour have made up 8 points in a week in scotland, have a 10 point lead in wales and are rapidly increasing their vote among the old and working classes. His politics are reinvigorating areas which labour had taken for granted. He has clearly managed to appeal to a far broader group of people than any of us thought he would. Whether it's enough...let's see If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 07 Jun 17 7.28pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!

Where to start with this...?

I think that Labour were overly cautious about getting corbyn in to marginals. That was, i think, mainly down to those MPs not wanting him there, but i bet they wish he was there pulling in crowds of hundreds now.

Look at the polls. Labour have made up 8 points in a week in scotland, have a 10 point lead in wales and are rapidly increasing their vote among the old and working classes. His politics are reinvigorating areas which labour had taken for granted. He has clearly managed to appeal to a far broader group of people than any of us thought he would. Whether it's enough...let's see

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Stirlingsays 07 Jun 17 7.31pm
I think Serial should write a blog and Nick should read it. But other than that... 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

07 Jun 17 7.31pm

I think Serial should write a blog and Nick should read it.

But other than that...

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

serial thriller The Promised Land 07 Jun 17 7.32pm
Originally posted by We are goin up! Oh come on. Do you really think in, say, halifax, may visiting a group of tory members in a closed off town hall is going to inspire doubting voters down the road to vote for her? Or what about if you were a floating voter and walked past the thousands waiting to see corbyn. May not make you a corbynista straight away, but will at least make you curious. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

serial thriller

The Promised Land 07 Jun 17 7.32pm

Originally posted by We are goin up!

Oh come on. Do you really think in, say, halifax, may visiting a group of tory members in a closed off town hall is going to inspire doubting voters down the road to vote for her?

Or what about if you were a floating voter and walked past the thousands waiting to see corbyn. May not make you a corbynista straight away, but will at least make you curious.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

We are goin up! Coulsdon 07 Jun 17 7.36pm
Originally posted by serial thriller Oh come on. Do you really think in, say, halifax, may visiting a group of tory members in a closed off town hall is going to inspire doubting voters down the road to vote for her? Or what about if you were a floating voter and walked past the thousands waiting to see corbyn. May not make you a corbynista straight away, but will at least make you curious. There's absolutely no correlation between big rallies and electoral votes. Ask Michael Foot. On Halifax, let's see tomorrow eh The one fear I have is that May has actually alienated quite a bit of her base (myself included) who may not be quite as motivated to turn out as the Corbynistas. I'm basically voting for her to keep out Corbyn, with a very tightly fitted peg wrapped round my nostrils. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

We are goin up!

Coulsdon 07 Jun 17 7.36pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

Oh come on. Do you really think in, say, halifax, may visiting a group of tory members in a closed off town hall is going to inspire doubting voters down the road to vote for her?

Or what about if you were a floating voter and walked past the thousands waiting to see corbyn. May not make you a corbynista straight away, but will at least make you curious.

There's absolutely no correlation between big rallies and electoral votes. Ask Michael Foot.

On Halifax, let's see tomorrow eh The one fear I have is that May has actually alienated quite a bit of her base (myself included) who may not be quite as motivated to turn out as the Corbynistas. I'm basically voting for her to keep out Corbyn, with a very tightly fitted peg wrapped round my nostrils.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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