You very obviously regard neo and social liberalism as a 'middle ground'. I have to inform you that I very much do not. I regard it as a conduit to disaster.

Indeed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I have sat in a room full of genuine lefty types who spat in disgust at the OBVIOUS right wing bias of BBC news reporting.

By your use of the word "clearly" are you, therefore, echoing their thoughts and believe there should be a shift to the left to bring it in line with more centrist views?

I jest, of course, but you get the point. If the BBC are upsetting you and that unwashed lefty mob, they are arguably doing something right.

I just wish they could drop all the inclusivity cr@p. It is social engineering by crow bar.

IMHO, the BBC is treading a fine line in actually reporting that which constitutes 'news' these days. It has to cater to the majority both politically and socially.

If we were under a government, or living within a 'far-right' period we might see more reporting on ethnic minority crime, the perils of mass immigration and critiques of left wing narcissism driven by failure in life nonsense, as a very poor example. As it is however, I did go on the website the other day where it seemed to be a collage of 'trans this', 'hate/thought crime that' and daily update on just about anything non-white or heterosexual.

I think in any instance, if you are inclined to either end of the spectrum, you are swayed to complain about anything that doesn't suit your particular mindset or outlook. Inevitably, the BBC will fail to cater to both sides or all and naturally fall afoul and to a greater degree the further to one side anybody is.

It is slightly more to the left as I see it, as the world is these days, but won't cater to the real extremes of the left or those to the right with any enthusiasm - they're doing their best in an increasingly polarised culture, I'd humbly suggest. It fails spectacularly in it's continued employment of Garth Crooks and lack of Palace coverage however. I may be slightly bias there, I'll concede that.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Or I'd argue, if the public demands to see their increasingly extreme and polarised views on society represented, the demand for outlets providing this will rise.

It sometimes feels as though you either identify as a manifestation of your own narcissism, hate the nuclear family and wish to see all traditional cultural and elsewise structures crumble these days to justify your own failure, or you're an equally angry right wing reincarnation of a certain Austrian from history.

Some people are just left in the middle however, considering the above a circus which makes no sense and despising the polar ends of this spectrum equally. The majority of these people are found in every day circumstances with the aforementioned predominantly found online. Then you get the real weirdos, who support clubs like Palace and spend time that should be dedicated to work on one of it's supporters forums during the day

In any instance, the BBC does a decent job serving people within the middle of the chaos and will increasingly come under attack from those pushing further to the ends of the political spectrum, as an almost natural and logical course. It of course always will employ individuals too, and individuals are not without any bias whatsoever, so may stray from time to time but I would suggest within a reasonable spectrum.

I use it and shall continue to do until such time I think it has pushed beyond a certain limit. It's far from that for now as I see it, even if some things/articles/commentaries irk me occasionally.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

A very reasonable perspective.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I still want the licence fee abolished but I do think there is merit in the argument why should the BBC be the sole recipient of taxpayers money. If the money was spread amongst other broadcasters for example it would be harder for people like me to complain.

For example local radio outside of the BBC is dead. Over the years various groups have complained that the BBC has a monopoly on local radio and it is almost impossible for a competitor to set up.

If you then look at what the BBC calls local radio, it isn't really. Mostly it is travel news and some DJ playing chart music.

Local newspapers have also complained that with the expansion of the BBC News website their trade has been impacted.

I do think there is a good argument that other players should get funding in this area.

Edited by Badger11 (17 Oct 2023 8.40am)

One more point

Simply not true or accurate

BBC website @ 3am

"Hundreds of people have been killed by an explosion at a crowded hospital in Gaza City, health officials say."

Not " hundreds dead "

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Well you should be happy they have changed the words

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Almost like they were responding and adapting to a rapidly unfolding situation, with clear caveats. Strange, for a live news media outfit. But of course, they would have been the only one to do this.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

The point being their reporter jumped to an uniformed assumption which the BBC then reported thereby misleading all those who consider the BBC as a reliable source.

Another case of someone with zero knowledge of munitions saying what they want to be true
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Pure speculation

Edited by HKOwen (19 Oct 2023 10.26am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.