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Originally posted by The Dolphin
Unless I have missed I note that Boris covid chaos is all over the BBC website this morning - whatsapp messages and all that and yet the fact that up in bonnie Scotland their guys deleted a gazillion whatsapp messages to do with covid and yet barely a murmur from Auntie - hmm - I wonder why? This thread is genuinely mental - basically descended into people moaning that they don't like the news.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
This thread is genuinely mental - basically descended into people moaning that they don't like the news. i do like the News. But i hate propaganda, lies & bias. and what passes for 'News' from the BBc ? i reckon they write all their broadcasts, for the year, on the first of January. - climate change - guilt trips about the history of SOME slavery - victimhood & guilt trips about everything - Cheddar man was the first Briton and he might have had sickle-cell anaemia. - Cheddar man had a Y chromozone, but she was a woman.
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
i do like the News. But i hate propaganda, lies & bias. and what passes for 'News' from the BBc ? i reckon they write all their broadcasts, for the year, on the first of January. - climate change - guilt trips about the history of SOME slavery - victimhood & guilt trips about everything - Cheddar man was the first Briton and he might have had sickle-cell anaemia. - Cheddar man had a Y chromozone, but she was a woman. You must hate what you wrote then! It’s 100% propaganda, lies and bias.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I would trust John Simpson to tell me the truth as he sees it every day. I wouldn’t trust Dominic Cummings to even recognise the truth if it hit him in the face. He truly has a history built on lies. I regard Cummings as one of the most despicable people ever to disgrace the political scene, but I'm not sure he's a liar. Stand to be corrected.
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'BBC News Arabic launches emergency radio service for Gaza'. Simply the best.
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Originally posted by JRW2
I regard Cummings as one of the most despicable people ever to disgrace the political scene, but I'm not sure he's a liar. Stand to be corrected. Those who saw him in Durham might convince you.
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Originally posted by JRW2
I regard Cummings as one of the most despicable people ever to disgrace the political scene, but I'm not sure he's a liar. Stand to be corrected. That's because you want to believe him.
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Originally posted by JRW2
I regard Cummings as one of the most despicable people ever to disgrace the political scene, but I'm not sure he's a liar. Stand to be corrected. Did you think he was lying about his trip to Northumbria? Was he not hated by the left then? Seems to me, they did not believe him then but many are now hanging on his every word
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[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3833194] That's because you want to believe him. ??
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
A whole day of the covid enquiry with Whittey and his derogatory comments about Boris are the the main BBC headline. I'd say that's a pretty accurate summary.
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I can't remember, did he lie about being in Durham or make up a silly excuse once he was discovered. As with many in politics, the greatest critics become admirers when it suits the narrative of the day. It is no surprise that we had poor leadership during Covid, if you look at the Shadow Cabinet at the time would be difficult to make a winning argument the outcome would have been any better had they been in government I think Johnson bottled it on Covid under the sheer weight of people who are now trying to shift blame onto him. I'm hardly Johnson's biggest fan over Covid as was apparent at the time. However, at least Johnson put his foot down and ensured that the lockdowns stopped.....You only had Christmas free of lockdown because of his insistence. Labour and all the scared maskers would have locked you down until the summer....Well, some of them even beyond that. Anyone who tells you that Labour are anything other than another bunch of useless t***s is trying to sell you something. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Nov 2023 7.59pm)
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
A whole day of the covid enquiry with Whittey and his derogatory comments about Boris are the the main BBC headline. It was Sir Patrick Vallance giving evidence today. His testimony is based on diaries and notes made at the time. He is not a politician. He is a scientist whose life is devoted to finding the truth. Assisting the enquiry to do that is not going to see him lying. I would trust Patrick Vallance before 100 Boris Johnson’s. His evidence confirms what others have said, and what we witnessed ourselves. Johnson failed to act on scientific advice, had a poor understanding of what the situation and risks were and, like some posters here still do, thought he knew better. He allowed his political concerns to interfere with what was his clear public duty as determined by the science. The BBC reporting it is what is expected of them. What what you want them to do? White wash Johnson? Edited by Wisbech Eagle (20 Nov 2023 9.05pm)
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I am sorry - it was Vallance. As the enquiry was set up by the government it’s hardly likely its purpose is to smear itself, is it? Johnson repeatedly claimed they were “following the science” when a lot of the time they neither understood it or even considered it. Reporting the chaos is an imperative if we are to perform better the next time. Ensuring that the politicians know their actions, and inaction, will later be subject to public scrutiny should produce a more objective outcome. How you can claim “Boris was right” beats me when everything that’s being revealed demonstrates how wrong he was in delaying the necessary actions. If we had gone down harder and earlier we could have avoided some of the problems and released earlier. The idea that just because lockdowns had consequences they were wrong is stupidity on steriods. We knew they would. Every choice we faced had consequences, all bad. The decision to be made was which was least bad. Letting people die because they were old and had already had a life is not something any government ought to contemplate, but ours did, until the political consequences hit them. We don’t know what the full consequences would have been if we had taken another route because we didn’t. However there is strong scientific belief that it would have been much worse, quite possibly not only a greater loss of life but also greater economic consequences. This idea that everything would be ok if only they had done what I said they should have done is the reasoning of the playground.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As the enquiry was set up by the government it’s hardly likely its purpose is to smear itself, is it? Johnson repeatedly claimed they were “following the science” when a lot of the time they neither understood it or even considered it. Reporting the chaos is an imperative if we are to perform better the next time. Ensuring that the politicians know their actions, and inaction, will later be subject to public scrutiny should produce a more objective outcome. How you can claim “Boris was right” beats me when everything that’s being revealed demonstrates how wrong he was in delaying the necessary actions. If we had gone down harder and earlier we could have avoided some of the problems and released earlier. The idea that just because lockdowns had consequences they were wrong is stupidity on steriods. We knew they would. Every choice we faced had consequences, all bad. The decision to be made was which was least bad. Letting people die because they were old and had already had a life is not something any government ought to contemplate, but ours did, until the political consequences hit them. We don’t know what the full consequences would have been if we had taken another route because we didn’t. However there is strong scientific belief that it would have been much worse, quite possibly not only a greater loss of life but also greater economic consequences. This idea that everything would be ok if only they had done what I said they should have done is the reasoning of the playground. Of course not, I mean it's not very likely that the civil service and the so called experts are looking to deflect blame away from their woeful performance. BJ is out of office so is a ready made fall guy. We had a saying in our office when someone left that they were good for 6 months worth of blame. Edited by Badger11 (21 Nov 2023 9.08am)
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Further responses should I guess go under Covid so I will move to that topic
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