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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 10 Jul 14 10.50pm

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"The racist Right thrives on two things: publicity and the politics of victimhood."


He's got that one correct.

Edited by Kermit8 (10 Jul 2014 9.07pm)


Interesting that despite an article full of criticism about UAF, including the bigotry espoused by many of its members, you choose to stick your head in the sand and ignore this, instead making a jibe at vile nazis who cannot be taken seriously.

You are a strange one. On the one hand claiming that a vote of UKIP is a vote for a legion of bigots taking over high political office in ten years time, whilst selectively ignoring the blatant bigotry practiced by a sizeable proportion of the members of a group you support.


Sizeable proportion- can you define what you mean by this-over 50%? 10%?


Read the article, there are plenty more on the net, and make your own mind up Trotsky. Whatever I say will be incorrect in your mind.

Plus, another lefty not acknowledging the bigotry present in UAF. Why could that be?

I'm not denying their are some dodgy people affiliated with UAF. It was a simple question Matt, one I'm sure that you can answer. How many do you define as a sizable proportion?


As I said, make your mind up. I know what I think. However, that will be wrong in your mind and I am sick of your diversionary bulls*** when you don't like the questions being asked, which you are doing by asking this.

Also, I think you need to read on economics and understand a bit more about that subject. Nighty night Trotsky.

Answer the very very simple question. What do you define as a sizeable proportion?

Read about economics.


So you can't define what a sizable proportion is, even though you claim to know what you mean, you can't let everyone else know.
My guess is that there are a few bad eggs in the UAF and that you are exagerating how many there actually are.


You can think what you want. Don't make it right .though.


there you go then. You can't answer a simple question. Goodnight.


No. I refused to play your diversionary games.

What diversionary games? I've said that there are some idiots in the UAF-I'm actually agreeing with you.
I am merely interested in what your definition of a sizeable proportion is, in percentage terms, that is all. Nothing diversionary about that.

 
bright&wright Flag 10 Jul 14 11.06pm

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^^^^^^


"The racist Right thrives on two things: publicity and the politics of victimhood."


He's got that one correct.

Edited by Kermit8 (10 Jul 2014 9.07pm)


Interesting that despite an article full of criticism about UAF, including the bigotry espoused by many of its members, you choose to stick your head in the sand and ignore this, instead making a jibe at vile nazis who cannot be taken seriously.

You are a strange one. On the one hand claiming that a vote of UKIP is a vote for a legion of bigots taking over high political office in ten years time, whilst selectively ignoring the blatant bigotry practiced by a sizeable proportion of the members of a group you support.


Sizeable proportion- can you define what you mean by this-over 50%? 10%?


Read the article, there are plenty more on the net, and make your own mind up Trotsky. Whatever I say will be incorrect in your mind.

Plus, another lefty not acknowledging the bigotry present in UAF. Why could that be?

I'm not denying their are some dodgy people affiliated with UAF. It was a simple question Matt, one I'm sure that you can answer. How many do you define as a sizable proportion?


As I said, make your mind up. I know what I think. However, that will be wrong in your mind and I am sick of your diversionary bulls*** when you don't like the questions being asked, which you are doing by asking this.

Also, I think you need to read on economics and understand a bit more about that subject. Nighty night Trotsky.

Answer the very very simple question. What do you define as a sizeable proportion?

Read about economics.


So you can't define what a sizable proportion is, even though you claim to know what you mean, you can't let everyone else know.
My guess is that there are a few bad eggs in the UAF and that you are exagerating how many there actually are.


You can think what you want. Don't make it right .though.


there you go then. You can't answer a simple question. Goodnight.


No. I refused to play your diversionary games.

What diversionary games? I've said that there are some idiots in the UAF-I'm actually agreeing with you.
I am merely interested in what your definition of a sizeable proportion is, in percentage terms, that is all. Nothing diversionary about that.


54 more than the EDL. Is that enough for you?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 10 Jul 14 11.13pm

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Quote matt_himself at 10 Jul 2014 10.02pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Jul 2014 9.48pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Jul 2014 9.21pm

Quote Kermit8 at 10 Jul 2014 9.06pm

^^^^^^


"The racist Right thrives on two things: publicity and the politics of victimhood."


He's got that one correct.

Edited by Kermit8 (10 Jul 2014 9.07pm)


Interesting that despite an article full of criticism about UAF, including the bigotry espoused by many of its members, you choose to stick your head in the sand and ignore this, instead making a jibe at vile nazis who cannot be taken seriously.

You are a strange one. On the one hand claiming that a vote of UKIP is a vote for a legion of bigots taking over high political office in ten years time, whilst selectively ignoring the blatant bigotry practiced by a sizeable proportion of the members of a group you support.


Sizeable proportion- can you define what you mean by this-over 50%? 10%?


Read the article, there are plenty more on the net, and make your own mind up Trotsky. Whatever I say will be incorrect in your mind.

Plus, another lefty not acknowledging the bigotry present in UAF. Why could that be?

I'm not denying their are some dodgy people affiliated with UAF. It was a simple question Matt, one I'm sure that you can answer. How many do you define as a sizable proportion?


As I said, make your mind up. I know what I think. However, that will be wrong in your mind and I am sick of your diversionary bulls*** when you don't like the questions being asked, which you are doing by asking this.

Also, I think you need to read on economics and understand a bit more about that subject. Nighty night Trotsky.

Answer the very very simple question. What do you define as a sizeable proportion?

Read about economics.


So you can't define what a sizable proportion is, even though you claim to know what you mean, you can't let everyone else know.
My guess is that there are a few bad eggs in the UAF and that you are exagerating how many there actually are.


You can think what you want. Don't make it right .though.


there you go then. You can't answer a simple question. Goodnight.


No. I refused to play your diversionary games.

What diversionary games? I've said that there are some idiots in the UAF-I'm actually agreeing with you.
I am merely interested in what your definition of a sizeable proportion is, in percentage terms, that is all. Nothing diversionary about that.


54 more than the EDL. Is that enough for you?


so 154% then

 
ghosteagle Flag 11 Jul 14 12.27pm

Quote bright&wright at 10 Jul 2014 11.06pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Jul 2014 10.50pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Jul 2014 10.44pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Jul 2014 10.40pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Jul 2014 10.35pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Jul 2014 10.26pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Jul 2014 10.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Jul 2014 10.19pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Jul 2014 10.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Jul 2014 10.05pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Jul 2014 10.02pm

Quote nickgusset at 10 Jul 2014 9.48pm

Quote matt_himself at 10 Jul 2014 9.21pm

Quote Kermit8 at 10 Jul 2014 9.06pm

^^^^^^


"The racist Right thrives on two things: publicity and the politics of victimhood."


He's got that one correct.

Edited by Kermit8 (10 Jul 2014 9.07pm)


Interesting that despite an article full of criticism about UAF, including the bigotry espoused by many of its members, you choose to stick your head in the sand and ignore this, instead making a jibe at vile nazis who cannot be taken seriously.

You are a strange one. On the one hand claiming that a vote of UKIP is a vote for a legion of bigots taking over high political office in ten years time, whilst selectively ignoring the blatant bigotry practiced by a sizeable proportion of the members of a group you support.


Sizeable proportion- can you define what you mean by this-over 50%? 10%?


Read the article, there are plenty more on the net, and make your own mind up Trotsky. Whatever I say will be incorrect in your mind.

Plus, another lefty not acknowledging the bigotry present in UAF. Why could that be?

I'm not denying their are some dodgy people affiliated with UAF. It was a simple question Matt, one I'm sure that you can answer. How many do you define as a sizable proportion?


As I said, make your mind up. I know what I think. However, that will be wrong in your mind and I am sick of your diversionary bulls*** when you don't like the questions being asked, which you are doing by asking this.

Also, I think you need to read on economics and understand a bit more about that subject. Nighty night Trotsky.

Answer the very very simple question. What do you define as a sizeable proportion?

Read about economics.


So you can't define what a sizable proportion is, even though you claim to know what you mean, you can't let everyone else know.
My guess is that there are a few bad eggs in the UAF and that you are exagerating how many there actually are.


You can think what you want. Don't make it right .though.


there you go then. You can't answer a simple question. Goodnight.


No. I refused to play your diversionary games.

What diversionary games? I've said that there are some idiots in the UAF-I'm actually agreeing with you.
I am merely interested in what your definition of a sizeable proportion is, in percentage terms, that is all. Nothing diversionary about that.


54 more than the EDL. Is that enough for you?

I was under the impression that the EDL and the UAF were both 100% full of idiots.

 
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Mar 15 11.14pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 16 Jun 2014 9.42pm


Did you see many Islamic people complaining about the schools in Birmingham? I'm sure there are some but their are pretty quiet to me.

There's a lot more than meets the eye to the Trojan horse affair - enough to warrant its own thread. All sides are in some respect culpable.


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MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.


Edited by nickgusset (18 Mar 2015 11.16pm)

 
Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 19 Mar 15 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

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MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines?


Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

 

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johnfirewall Flag 19 Mar 15 8.50am

A lot of crimes were investigated in the 70s but thanks to Thatcher you say, these were let slide.

Then there was Rotherham where the authorities were scared to point out the pattern of offenders being from a particular group.

I'm making no conection to these type of offences and religion but what I'm saying is for similar reasons as in my 2 examples it may have been a convenient result of the investigations.

Although my evaluation would be that if there were that many separate investigations the schools probably had time to throw the offending books out.

 
ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Mar 15 11.03am

If there were no radical thoughts or people in the world would it be a better place - some kind of Utopia, or a blander place - some kind of Hounslow?

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 23 Mar 15 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

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MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines?


Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

 
jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 Mar 15 3.05pm

Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

[Link]

MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines

Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

You have heard of politics, its entirely about defining truth these days. It doesn't really matter what is actually true, its what people think is true.

Take a look at crime and fear of crime.


 

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reborn 23 Mar 15 4.33pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Mar 2015 3.05pm

Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

[Link]

MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines

Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

You have heard of politics, its entirely about defining truth these days. It doesn't really matter what is actually true, its what people think is true.

Take a look at crime and fear of crime.


Perception IS peoples reality sadly

 

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blind eagle Flag Covington.Tennessee 23 Mar 15 4.41pm

Quote Forest Hillbilly at 16 Jun 2014 7.28am

Quite a vivid question put by a presenter on BBC this weekend.

Are radical Muslims the new Nazi's ?

(Obviously, not ALL Muslims, just the few radical ones)

I watched the disturbing pictures this morning of around 200 Iraqi soldiers who were captured by ISIS whilst in their barracks. They were then all butchered.

The depravity of mankind seems to be bottoming-out with the atrocities committed in the name of religion, and in particular, Islam.

As Britain, (formerly, Great Britain), tiptoes around human rights, and swerves racism, and allows Muslims to wear full face-masks, not just in public, but in airport departure points, (something that wouldn't have been tolerated during the decades of IRA activity)
Isn't it time to marginalise the radical groups/individuals ?
In the IRA case, Britain even used internment. But how do you combat an enemy, who have largely blended into the population, whether on these shores, or in foreign lands, and only make themselves known once the suicide bomb has detonated, the kidnap has occurred, or the streets are running in blood.(tips a nod to Enoch)

Am I scare-mongering, or are these radicals a significant problem ? 9/11, 7/7, 'The Muslim Patrols' in London, and now the mobilisation of militia who are causing atrocities in the name of Islam in the power vacuum created by western military withdrawl.

Would I have a happier life if I stopped reading/watching The News, or would I be complicit in ignoring issues outside my own tiny sphere of influence ?


Edited by Forest Hillbilly (16 Jun 2014 8.08am)


Yes the radical Moslems are Nazis on steroids!.

 
7mins Flag In the bush 23 Mar 15 5.12pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Mar 2015 3.05pm

Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

[Link]

MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines

Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

You have heard of politics, its entirely about defining truth these days. It doesn't really matter what is actually true, its what people think is true.

Take a look at crime and fear of crime.



Whilst I do not disagree... can you tell me if you believe there was a plot to over take schools?

 
imbored Flag UK 23 Mar 15 5.24pm

Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

[Link]

MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines?


Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

Theresa May, beacon of truth.

If parties can get away with something that furthers their agenda without it raising eyebrows they do so, regardless of the merits of what they're saying.

It's an unfortunate thing to say, but you're unlikely to get far as a politician if you're particularly bothered about actual honesty and integrity.

More of a general thought, rather than specific to this case.

Edited by imbored (23 Mar 2015 5.25pm)

 
TUX Flag redhill 23 Mar 15 7.30pm

Quote imbored at 23 Mar 2015 5.24pm

Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

[Link]

MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines?


Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

Theresa May, beacon of truth.

If parties can get away with something that furthers their agenda without it raising eyebrows they do so, regardless of the merits of what they're saying.

It's an unfortunate thing to say, but you're unlikely to get far as a politician if you're particularly bothered about actual honesty and integrity.

More of a general thought, rather than specific to this case.

Edited by imbored (23 Mar 2015 5.25pm)


We desperately need an 'applause' smiley.

 
legaleagle Flag 23 Mar 15 9.08pm

Yup,that's the general way it is,regardless of party affiliation...

 
OldFella Flag London 24 Mar 15 9.16am

Quote legaleagle at 23 Mar 2015 9.08pm

Yup,that's the general way it is,regardless of party affiliation...

Especially with the lefties...


 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 21 Jul 21 2.59pm

the Nazi Party sent thousands of Gays to their deaths in the concentration camps.


And what boarding school has just failed an Ofsted inspection ? for a book in the school library calling for death to all gays ?

clue : West Yorkshire

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Jul 21 3.07pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the Nazi Party sent thousands of Gays to their deaths in the concentration camps.


And what boarding school has just failed an Ofsted inspection ? for a book in the school library calling for death to all gays ?

clue : West Yorkshire

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What book was it? The Quaran, The Old Testament or The Blue Peter annual, 1979?

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 21 Jul 21 4.33pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the Nazi Party sent thousands of Gays to their deaths in the concentration camps.


And what boarding school has just failed an Ofsted inspection ? for a book in the school library calling for death to all gays ?

clue : West Yorkshire

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And when challenged for all the violent nasty ideology ?

ah yes, but those beliefs* must be understood in the context of their time. A very different time to the World of 2021.


( * both sets of beliefs )

 

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