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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Feb 16 3.41pm
Originally posted by matt_himself No it doesn't. It is factual representation of the globalised business World. Your idea of 'international based control' is pie in the sky. It doesn't stop entrepreneurs. It doesn't stop innovators. It doesn't stop small business. You could argue that real damage was done when a socialist British government encouraged cheap labour to migrate to Britain. Which socialist British Government was that - I think I may have been in a coma. And you're 'out for the EU' because? Edited by jamiemartin721 (29 Feb 2016 3.43pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 29 Feb 16 3.41pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

No it doesn't. It is factual representation of the globalised business World. Your idea of 'international based control' is pie in the sky.

It doesn't stop entrepreneurs. It doesn't stop innovators. It doesn't stop small business.

You could argue that real damage was done when a socialist British government encouraged cheap labour to migrate to Britain.

Which socialist British Government was that - I think I may have been in a coma.

And you're 'out for the EU' because?

Edited by jamiemartin721 (29 Feb 2016 3.43pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Feb 16 6.15pm
Originally posted by matt_himself No it doesn't. It is factual representation of the globalised business World. Your idea of 'international based control' is pie in the sky. It doesn't stop entrepreneurs. It doesn't stop innovators. It doesn't stop small business. You could argue that real damage was done when a socialist British government encouraged cheap labour to migrate to Britain. If you are referring to the Blair / Brown years then I'm afraid you are mistaken. They were about as socialist as Pinochet.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Feb 16 6.15pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

No it doesn't. It is factual representation of the globalised business World. Your idea of 'international based control' is pie in the sky.

It doesn't stop entrepreneurs. It doesn't stop innovators. It doesn't stop small business.

You could argue that real damage was done when a socialist British government encouraged cheap labour to migrate to Britain.

If you are referring to the Blair / Brown years then I'm afraid you are mistaken. They were about as socialist as Pinochet.

-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 29 Feb 16 6.37pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 The problem with this approach, is that its essentially engaging in a race to the bottom, that rewards only an elite in society, and fabricates an increasingly dire future for British Society. Because ultimately, the pressure will be to 'keep cutting'. I think a new approach is needed, to stop thinking locally and nationally, in a global market, and look towards maybe greater international based control and regulation multinational businesses. And that's the game! Unfortunately it's fuelled by a majority that can't tell their a-se from their elbow because they'll happily continue to pay more for less................because they're told to. You couldn't make it up. Time to move forward together.

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Alphabettispaghetti 29 Feb 16 6.37pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The problem with this approach, is that its essentially engaging in a race to the bottom, that rewards only an elite in society, and fabricates an increasingly dire future for British Society. Because ultimately, the pressure will be to 'keep cutting'.

I think a new approach is needed, to stop thinking locally and nationally, in a global market, and look towards maybe greater international based control and regulation multinational businesses.

And that's the game!

Unfortunately it's fuelled by a majority that can't tell their a-se from their elbow because they'll happily continue to pay more for less................because they're told to.

You couldn't make it up.

Time to move forward together.

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Hoof Hearted 01 Mar 16 11.24am
Radio 4 Today programme invited Mandelson on this morning to explain his support for the In/Stay campaign and he just spent 10 minutes rubbishing Nigel Lawson. Sorry Peter but if it's a straight fight between believing you or believing Nigel there is no contest. Having been asked to resign from Blair's cabinet on two occasions for corruption, Mandelson's financial credulity and honesty is on a par with that of Keith Vaz who also supports the In/Stay campaign. With Blair firmly in the In/Stay campaign it is no wonder that all we ever hear is scaremongering and over exaggerations about how leaving the EU will affect us economically. These three wouldn't know the truth if it smacked them in the face with a wet fish.

Hoof Hearted 01 Mar 16 11.24am

Radio 4 Today programme invited Mandelson on this morning to explain his support for the In/Stay campaign and he just spent 10 minutes rubbishing Nigel Lawson.

Sorry Peter but if it's a straight fight between believing you or believing Nigel there is no contest.

Having been asked to resign from Blair's cabinet on two occasions for corruption, Mandelson's financial credulity and honesty is on a par with that of Keith Vaz who also supports the In/Stay campaign.

With Blair firmly in the In/Stay campaign it is no wonder that all we ever hear is scaremongering and over exaggerations about how leaving the EU will affect us economically.

These three wouldn't know the truth if it smacked them in the face with a wet fish.

johnfirewall 01 Mar 16 12.24pm
It's frustrating that the left's stance is based on peoples 'rights', which are defined by laws created by an entity which supersedes our democratically elected government. I'm surprised no one has cited the classic straight banana and fishing quota examples but rather it's all about things like the working hours directives which an individual can opt out of. Or perhaps it's about looking after the weaker countries who incidentally refused to look after refugees. Edited by johnfirewall (01 Mar 2016 12.28pm)

johnfirewall

01 Mar 16 12.24pm

It's frustrating that the left's stance is based on peoples 'rights', which are defined by laws created by an entity which supersedes our democratically elected government.

I'm surprised no one has cited the classic straight banana and fishing quota examples but rather it's all about things like the working hours directives which an individual can opt out of. Or perhaps it's about looking after the weaker countries who incidentally refused to look after refugees.

Edited by johnfirewall (01 Mar 2016 12.28pm)

exitstageright London 01 Mar 16 2.57pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Radio 4 Today programme invited Mandelson on this morning to explain his support for the In/Stay campaign and he just spent 10 minutes rubbishing Nigel Lawson. Sorry Peter but if it's a straight fight between believing you or believing Nigel there is no contest. Having been asked to resign from Blair's cabinet on two occasions for corruption, Mandelson's financial credulity and honesty is on a par with that of Keith Vaz who also supports the In/Stay campaign. With Blair firmly in the In/Stay campaign it is no wonder that all we ever hear is scaremongering and over exaggerations about how leaving the EU will affect us economically. These three wouldn't know the truth if it smacked them in the face with a wet fish. Is this the same Peter Mandelson that said, "Staying out of the Euro would prove a disaster ... the price we would pay in lost investment and trade and jobs would be incalculable."

exitstageright

London 01 Mar 16 2.57pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Radio 4 Today programme invited Mandelson on this morning to explain his support for the In/Stay campaign and he just spent 10 minutes rubbishing Nigel Lawson.

Sorry Peter but if it's a straight fight between believing you or believing Nigel there is no contest.

With Blair firmly in the In/Stay campaign it is no wonder that all we ever hear is scaremongering and over exaggerations about how leaving the EU will affect us economically.

These three wouldn't know the truth if it smacked them in the face with a wet fish.

Is this the same Peter Mandelson that said, "Staying out of the Euro would prove a disaster ... the price we would pay in lost investment and trade and jobs would be incalculable."

Hoof Hearted 02 Mar 16 10.50am
This morning we've had the same exit scaremongering from Philip Hammond MP and Rupert Harrison of BlackRock Investments (who just happens to be a good mate of George Osborne and his former chief of staff). It is obvious as the time gets nearer to June 23rd this scaremongering is going to be ramped up to scary levels. I predict that Blair will warn everyone that Nigel Farage and UKIP have their own Weapons of Destruction and if we vote out Giant Zombie Flesh Eating Spiders will attack the UK starting in London. Yesterday Nicola Sturgeon who also campaigns to stay in the EU (despite still wanting Scotland to exit the UK) called for less hysteria and scaremongering in the debate. She knows that this tactic nearly won the day for Scotland's YES campaign last year for Independence. The NO campaign was comfortably ahead until Blair, Brown, Major etc headed north to campaign for the better together group with all their doom and gloom warnings.

Hoof Hearted 02 Mar 16 10.50am

This morning we've had the same exit scaremongering from Philip Hammond MP and Rupert Harrison of BlackRock Investments (who just happens to be a good mate of George Osborne and his former chief of staff).

It is obvious as the time gets nearer to June 23rd this scaremongering is going to be ramped up to scary levels.

I predict that Blair will warn everyone that Nigel Farage and UKIP have their own Weapons of Destruction and if we vote out Giant Zombie Flesh Eating Spiders will attack the UK starting in London.

Yesterday Nicola Sturgeon who also campaigns to stay in the EU (despite still wanting Scotland to exit the UK) called for less hysteria and scaremongering in the debate.

She knows that this tactic nearly won the day for Scotland's YES campaign last year for Independence. The NO campaign was comfortably ahead until Blair, Brown, Major etc headed north to campaign for the better together group with all their doom and gloom warnings.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Mar 16 10.58am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted This morning we've had the same exit scaremongering from Philip Hammond MP and Rupert Harrison of BlackRock Investments (who just happens to be a good mate of George Osborne and his former chief of staff). It is obvious as the time gets nearer to June 23rd this scaremongering is going to be ramped up to scary levels. I predict that Blair will warn everyone that Nigel Farage and UKIP have their own Weapons of Destruction and if we vote out Giant Zombie Flesh Eating Spiders will attack the UK starting in London. Yesterday Nicola Sturgeon who also campaigns to stay in the EU (despite still wanting Scotland to exit the UK) called for less hysteria and scaremongering in the debate. She knows that this tactic nearly won the day for Scotland's YES campaign last year for Independence. The NO campaign was comfortably ahead until Blair, Brown, Major etc headed north to campaign for the better together group with all their doom and gloom warnings. Like cats, the British don't like being told what to do, pretty much what the EU is all about. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 02 Mar 16 10.58am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It is obvious as the time gets nearer to June 23rd this scaremongering is going to be ramped up to scary levels.

I predict that Blair will warn everyone that Nigel Farage and UKIP have their own Weapons of Destruction and if we vote out Giant Zombie Flesh Eating Spiders will attack the UK starting in London.

Yesterday Nicola Sturgeon who also campaigns to stay in the EU (despite still wanting Scotland to exit the UK) called for less hysteria and scaremongering in the debate.

Like cats, the British don't like being told what to do, pretty much what the EU is all about.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Mar 16 11.02am
Originally posted by exitstageright Is this the same Peter Mandelson that said, "Staying out of the Euro would prove a disaster ... the price we would pay in lost investment and trade and jobs would be incalculable." The same Peter Mandelson who said in the last day or so that Cameron should sack anyone in the cabinet who's in the exit camp. I wish he'd stay in his own camp. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 02 Mar 16 11.02am

Originally posted by exitstageright

Is this the same Peter Mandelson that said, "Staying out of the Euro would prove a disaster ... the price we would pay in lost investment and trade and jobs would be incalculable."

The same Peter Mandelson who said in the last day or so that Cameron should sack anyone in the cabinet who's in the exit camp. I wish he'd stay in his own camp.

COYP

DanH SW2 02 Mar 16 11.11am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted This morning we've had the same exit scaremongering from Philip Hammond MP and Rupert Harrison of BlackRock Investments (who just happens to be a good mate of George Osborne and his former chief of staff). It is obvious as the time gets nearer to June 23rd this scaremongering is going to be ramped up to scary levels. I predict that Blair will warn everyone that Nigel Farage and UKIP have their own Weapons of Destruction and if we vote out Giant Zombie Flesh Eating Spiders will attack the UK starting in London. Yesterday Nicola Sturgeon who also campaigns to stay in the EU (despite still wanting Scotland to exit the UK) called for less hysteria and scaremongering in the debate. She knows that this tactic nearly won the day for Scotland's YES campaign last year for Independence. The NO campaign was comfortably ahead until Blair, Brown, Major etc headed north to campaign for the better together group with all their doom and gloom warnings. So IDS saying that we are more likely to be subject to Paris style terrorist attacks isn't scaremongering? Both sides literally don't KNOW what will happen in the event of an exit. This is why both sides are scaremongering. It's f*cking boring and I can't believe 23rd June is still so effin' far away. Edited by DanH (02 Mar 2016 11.11am)

DanH

SW2 02 Mar 16 11.11am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

This morning we've had the same exit scaremongering from Philip Hammond MP and Rupert Harrison of BlackRock Investments (who just happens to be a good mate of George Osborne and his former chief of staff).

It is obvious as the time gets nearer to June 23rd this scaremongering is going to be ramped up to scary levels.

I predict that Blair will warn everyone that Nigel Farage and UKIP have their own Weapons of Destruction and if we vote out Giant Zombie Flesh Eating Spiders will attack the UK starting in London.

Yesterday Nicola Sturgeon who also campaigns to stay in the EU (despite still wanting Scotland to exit the UK) called for less hysteria and scaremongering in the debate.

So IDS saying that we are more likely to be subject to Paris style terrorist attacks *isn't* scaremongering?

Both sides literally don't KNOW what will happen in the event of an exit. This is why both sides are scaremongering.

It's f*cking boring and I can't believe 23rd June is still so effin' far away.

Edited by DanH (02 Mar 2016 11.11am)

Hoof Hearted 02 Mar 16 12.07pm
Originally posted by DanH So IDS saying that we are more likely to be subject to Paris style terrorist attacks isn't scaremongering? Both sides literally don't KNOW what will happen in the event of an exit. This is why both sides are scaremongering. It's f*cking boring and I can't believe 23rd June is still so effin' far away. Edited by DanH (02 Mar 2016 11.11am) There is a lot more credence to IDS warning about a potential terror attack than there is about the global meltdown of economies (not just ours) that have been bandied about by the Stay campaign. If you polled the supporters of the Leave/Out campaign you would find most agree that particular threat is high on their list of fears and don't need reminding of it by anybody. It does p1ss me off though when it was only 3 months ago in November that Cameron was trumpeting how strong our economy was and we held no fears if we had to go it alone. Now he's giving the impression that we would have to hide behind the settee if we even contemplated leaving the EU. At least Farage and the Eurosceptics have kept to the same script.

Hoof Hearted 02 Mar 16 12.07pm

Originally posted by DanH

So IDS saying that we are more likely to be subject to Paris style terrorist attacks *isn't* scaremongering?

Both sides literally don't KNOW what will happen in the event of an exit. This is why both sides are scaremongering.

It's f*cking boring and I can't believe 23rd June is still so effin' far away.

Edited by DanH (02 Mar 2016 11.11am)

There is a lot more credence to IDS warning about a potential terror attack than there is about the global meltdown of economies (not just ours) that have been bandied about by the Stay campaign.

If you polled the supporters of the Leave/Out campaign you would find most agree that particular threat is high on their list of fears and don't need reminding of it by anybody.

It does p1ss me off though when it was only 3 months ago in November that Cameron was trumpeting how strong our economy was and we held no fears if we had to go it alone. Now he's giving the impression that we would have to hide behind the settee if we even contemplated leaving the EU.

At least Farage and the Eurosceptics have kept to the same script.

Hoof Hearted 02 Mar 16 12.11pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The same Peter Mandelson who said in the last day or so that Cameron should sack anyone in the cabinet who's in the exit camp. I wish he'd stay in his own camp. The trouble with Mandelson is he is Camp. Unfortunately, he's also corrupt, a liar, smarmy, odious and a lot more unpleasant things as well!

Hoof Hearted 02 Mar 16 12.11pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The same Peter Mandelson who said in the last day or so that Cameron should sack anyone in the cabinet who's in the exit camp. I wish he'd stay in his own camp.

The trouble with Mandelson is he is Camp.

Unfortunately, he's also corrupt, a liar, smarmy, odious and a lot more unpleasant things as well!

jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Mar 16 12.46pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The same Peter Mandelson who said in the last day or so that Cameron should sack anyone in the cabinet who's in the exit camp. I wish he'd stay in his own camp. Fk me, someone stake this ct and cut off his head. Why would anyone ever be interested in what Peter Mandelson thinks or says about any issue. You might as well ask what Jimmy Savile thought about the EU. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 02 Mar 16 12.46pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The same Peter Mandelson who said in the last day or so that Cameron should sack anyone in the cabinet who's in the exit camp. I wish he'd stay in his own camp.

F**k me, someone stake this c**t and cut off his head. Why would anyone ever be interested in what Peter Mandelson thinks or says about any issue. You might as well ask what Jimmy Savile thought about the EU.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 02 Mar 16 12.48pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Fk me, someone stake this ct and cut off his head. Why would anyone ever be interested in what Peter Mandelson thinks or says about any issue. You might as well ask what Jimmy Savile thought about the EU. Savile was in the Stay/In camp. His theory was open borders = more opportunity for paedophilia.

Hoof Hearted 02 Mar 16 12.48pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Savile was in the Stay/In camp.

His theory was open borders = more opportunity for paedophilia.

jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Mar 16 12.55pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted There is a lot more credence to IDS warning about a potential terror attack than there is about the global meltdown of economies (not just ours) that have been bandied about by the Stay campaign. I don't think that's true, whether or not were part of the EU, we're a terrorist target of high priority. In terms of border control, passports are still required to move into the UK. The UK and European nation states need to share intelligence on suspects, and there really is need for European states to not only share information but to establish an effective cross border police agency with powers of arrest for certain crimes (not least people trafficking, drug trafficking, murder, arms smuggling, money laundering, terrorism and computer fronted offences). It would also make sharing information of people with convictions in other countries easy. At present obtaining details of convictions from other countries is a monumental pain in the proverbial. Whilst I'm not an 'in' individual, I think there definitely are some areas where cross European 'federalism' can actually serve the people of the EU. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 02 Mar 16 12.55pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

There is a lot more credence to IDS warning about a potential terror attack than there is about the global meltdown of economies (not just ours) that have been bandied about by the Stay campaign.

I don't think that's true, whether or not were part of the EU, we're a terrorist target of high priority. In terms of border control, passports are still required to move into the UK.

The UK and European nation states need to share intelligence on suspects, and there really is need for European states to not only share information but to establish an effective cross border police agency with powers of arrest for certain crimes (not least people trafficking, drug trafficking, murder, arms smuggling, money laundering, terrorism and computer fronted offences).

It would also make sharing information of people with convictions in other countries easy. At present obtaining details of convictions from other countries is a monumental pain in the proverbial.

Whilst I'm not an 'in' individual, I think there definitely are some areas where cross European 'federalism' can actually serve the people of the EU.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Mar 16 12.58pm
Originally posted by DanH So IDS saying that we are more likely to be subject to Paris style terrorist attacks isn't scaremongering? Both sides literally don't KNOW what will happen in the event of an exit. This is why both sides are scaremongering. It's f*cking boring and I can't believe 23rd June is still so effin' far away. Edited by DanH (02 Mar 2016 11.11am) I think its more that both sides don't really want to admit that in or out, won't actually change anything. If we go out, then we'll go down the route of the 'non-eu partners' in the ETA (which essentially will undermine a lot of the reason to leave the EU) and it'll be sold on the national sovereignty issue. If we stay in, its business as usual, which is pretty much exactly what it will be if we exit. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 02 Mar 16 12.58pm

Originally posted by DanH

So IDS saying that we are more likely to be subject to Paris style terrorist attacks *isn't* scaremongering?

Both sides literally don't KNOW what will happen in the event of an exit. This is why both sides are scaremongering.

It's f*cking boring and I can't believe 23rd June is still so effin' far away.

Edited by DanH (02 Mar 2016 11.11am)

I think its more that both sides don't really want to admit that in or out, won't actually change anything. If we go out, then we'll go down the route of the 'non-eu partners' in the ETA (which essentially will undermine a lot of the reason to leave the EU) and it'll be sold on the national sovereignty issue.

If we stay in, its business as usual, which is pretty much exactly what it will be if we exit.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Mar 16 12.59pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Savile was in the Stay/In camp. His theory was open borders = more opportunity for paedophilia. Like he needed more opportunity.... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 02 Mar 16 12.59pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Savile was in the Stay/In camp.

His theory was open borders = more opportunity for paedophilia.

Like he needed more opportunity....

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Sweet Acid Croydon 02 Mar 16 1.01pm
The case for the stay vote is so negative - it is all intimidation and extortion. In truth the EU is a disaster, a Marxist experiment that has failed miserably. They cheated and bent the laws to get Greece in and then of course it went into financial meltdown, it is full of petty and too powerful Eurocrats meddling in everyone else's affairs and has someone like Juncker of Luxembourg telling everyone to take in more refugees when his own country isn't big enough to take half a dozen. Consider this. Would HSBC have recently decided to stay in London if they thought a Britain out of the EU would harm them? Business goes where it gets the best deal and frankly we have more chance of striking better deals with the rest of the world then we do with the EU where restrictive practices are legion.

Sweet Acid

Croydon 02 Mar 16 1.01pm

The case for the stay vote is so negative - it is all intimidation and extortion. In truth the EU is a disaster, a Marxist experiment that has failed miserably. They cheated and bent the laws to get Greece in and then of course it went into financial meltdown, it is full of petty and too powerful Eurocrats meddling in everyone else's affairs and has someone like Juncker of Luxembourg telling everyone to take in more refugees when his own country isn't big enough to take half a dozen.
Consider this.
Would HSBC have recently decided to stay in London if they thought a Britain out of the EU would harm them?
Business goes where it gets the best deal and frankly we have more chance of striking better deals with the rest of the world then we do with the EU where restrictive practices are legion.

jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Mar 16 4.37pm
Originally posted by Sweet Acid The case for the stay vote is so negative - it is all intimidation and extortion. In truth the EU is a disaster, a Marxist experiment that has failed miserably. They cheated and bent the laws to get Greece in and then of course it went into financial meltdown, it is full of petty and too powerful Eurocrats meddling in everyone else's affairs and has someone like Juncker of Luxembourg telling everyone to take in more refugees when his own country isn't big enough to take half a dozen. Consider this. Would HSBC have recently decided to stay in London if they thought a Britain out of the EU would harm them? Business goes where it gets the best deal and frankly we have more chance of striking better deals with the rest of the world then we do with the EU where restrictive practices are legion. It really isn't Marxist. Its a capitalist trading block that promotes corporate interests of member states and promotes a degree of federalism. But its not in any way Marxist. I'm quite pro-Marxist and I'm in the out group. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 02 Mar 16 4.37pm

Originally posted by Sweet Acid

The case for the stay vote is so negative - it is all intimidation and extortion. In truth the EU is a disaster, a Marxist experiment that has failed miserably. They cheated and bent the laws to get Greece in and then of course it went into financial meltdown, it is full of petty and too powerful Eurocrats meddling in everyone else's affairs and has someone like Juncker of Luxembourg telling everyone to take in more refugees when his own country isn't big enough to take half a dozen.
Consider this.
Would HSBC have recently decided to stay in London if they thought a Britain out of the EU would harm them?
Business goes where it gets the best deal and frankly we have more chance of striking better deals with the rest of the world then we do with the EU where restrictive practices are legion.

It really isn't Marxist. Its a capitalist trading block that promotes corporate interests of member states and promotes a degree of federalism.

But its not in any way Marxist. I'm quite pro-Marxist and I'm in the out group.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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