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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 21 Aug 17 10.04pm
Online betting site Paddy Power is currently giving 2-1 odds that Trump will resign or be impeached by the end of the year. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 21 Aug 17 10.04pm

Online betting site Paddy Power is currently giving 2-1 odds that Trump will resign or be impeached by the end of the year.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Stirlingsays 21 Aug 17 10.11pm
Originally posted by pefwin Online betting site Paddy Power is currently giving 2-1 odds that Trump will resign or be impeached by the end of the year. He's been holding fund raisers for 2020, but maybe they know something we don't. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Aug 17 10.11pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Online betting site Paddy Power is currently giving 2-1 odds that Trump will resign or be impeached by the end of the year.

He's been holding fund raisers for 2020, but maybe they know something we don't.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ray in Houston Houston 22 Aug 17 12.05am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays He's been holding fund raisers for 2020, but maybe they know something we don't. He is using part of the money he raises to pay his legal bills. And, before you ask, yes, this is perfectly legal. A campaign donation is still a donation so, once you've freely handed money over to someone, it's up to them how they spend it. Now tax laws require that it's used for the campaign or campaign-related expenses - otherwise the donations stop being tax deductible - but paying your legal team is a qualified campaign-related expense. If you listen closely to beaten candidates in the primaries, they never "end" their campaigns. They "suspend" them, because this allows them to keep fund raising despite having dropped out. This money can then be used to pay off campaign debts, be given to another candidate's campaign or simply banked to use yourself next time around. So, if you can keep bringing in the money...why not? Yes, this is a particularly f*ed up part of a fed up election system. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa*ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 22 Aug 17 12.05am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

He's been holding fund raisers for 2020, but maybe they know something we don't.

He is using part of the money he raises to pay his legal bills. And, before you ask, yes, this is perfectly legal. A campaign donation is still a donation so, once you've freely handed money over to someone, it's up to them how they spend it.

Now tax laws require that it's used for the campaign or campaign-related expenses - otherwise the donations stop being tax deductible - but paying your legal team is a qualified campaign-related expense.

If you listen closely to beaten candidates in the primaries, they never "end" their campaigns. They "suspend" them, because this allows them to keep fund raising despite having dropped out. This money can then be used to pay off campaign debts, be given to another candidate's campaign or simply banked to use yourself next time around. So, if you can keep bringing in the money...why not?

Yes, this is a particularly f***ed up part of a f***ed up election system.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Aug 17 4.18am
Looks like a dead man walking politically speaking. To few allies and too many enemies. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Aug 17 4.18am

Looks like a dead man walking politically speaking. To few allies and too many enemies.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 22 Aug 17 12.42pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Looks like a dead man walking politically speaking. To few allies and too many enemies. Yep, the Republicans never liked him anyway, and the people like Bannon (the loose cannon) that he brought in just rubbed them up the wrong way even more. Now he's admitted that his "instincts" to get the US forces out of Afghanistan didn't take account of the fact that it would leave a vacuum for terrorists to fill.He was guilty of thinking just one move ahead instead of thinking like a chess player and anticipating different potential outcomes. Too often populists like Trump and Farage offer simplistic solutions to complex problems, which appeals greatly to people who like simplistic answers. His problem now is that, having failed to deliver on just about all of his campaign promises, those on the far right extremes may feel let down, and one or two may decide to exact their revenge for his failings. He should consider getting out of the job before some nutter takes a pot-shot! I used to be immortal

crystal balls

The Garden of Earthly Delights 22 Aug 17 12.42pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Looks like a dead man walking politically speaking. To few allies and too many enemies.

Yep, the Republicans never liked him anyway, and the people like Bannon (the loose cannon) that he brought in just rubbed them up the wrong way even more.

Now he's admitted that his "instincts" to get the US forces out of Afghanistan didn't take account of the fact that it would leave a vacuum for terrorists to fill.He was guilty of thinking just one move ahead instead of thinking like a chess player and anticipating different potential outcomes.

Too often populists like Trump and Farage offer simplistic solutions to complex problems, which appeals greatly to people who like simplistic answers.

His problem now is that, having failed to deliver on just about all of his campaign promises, those on the far right extremes may feel let down, and one or two may decide to exact their revenge for his failings. He should consider getting out of the job before some nutter takes a pot-shot!

I used to be immortal

Stirlingsays 22 Aug 17 1.07pm
Originally posted by crystal balls Yep, the Republicans never liked him anyway, and the people like Bannon (the loose cannon) that he brought in just rubbed them up the wrong way even more. Now he's admitted that his "instincts" to get the US forces out of Afghanistan didn't take account of the fact that it would leave a vacuum for terrorists to fill.He was guilty of thinking just one move ahead instead of thinking like a chess player and anticipating different potential outcomes. Too often populists like Trump and Farage offer simplistic solutions to complex problems, which appeals greatly to people who like simplistic answers. His problem now is that, having failed to deliver on just about all of his campaign promises, those on the far right extremes may feel let down, and one or two may decide to exact their revenge for his failings. He should consider getting out of the job before some nutter takes a pot-shot! I agree with you except for the last paragraph. I think it's a bit early to judge him on campaign promises. I agree he isn't popular in the republican party but by the same token they are afraid of the incoming wrath of their base if they are seen dislodging him. I can see Trump resigning...but just as much I can see him sticking it out and going for 2020. I agree though that his current position is unstable.....of which he is largely to blame. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Aug 17 1.07pm

Originally posted by crystal balls

Yep, the Republicans never liked him anyway, and the people like Bannon (the loose cannon) that he brought in just rubbed them up the wrong way even more.

Too often populists like Trump and Farage offer simplistic solutions to complex problems, which appeals greatly to people who like simplistic answers.

I agree with you except for the last paragraph.

I think it's a bit early to judge him on campaign promises. I agree he isn't popular in the republican party but by the same token they are afraid of the incoming wrath of their base if they are seen dislodging him.

I can see Trump resigning...but just as much I can see him sticking it out and going for 2020. I agree though that his current position is unstable.....of which he is largely to blame.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Kermit8 Hevon 22 Aug 17 1.16pm
After the first eight months you gotta wonder what exactly Trump has to do from now on in order for his fans to withdraw their support? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 22 Aug 17 1.16pm

After the first eight months you gotta wonder what exactly Trump has to do from now on in order for his fans to withdraw their support?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

Stirlingsays 22 Aug 17 1.29pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 After the first eight months you gotta wonder what exactly Trump has to do from now on in order for his fans to withdraw their support? Parade around naked except for white panties at his next press conference, shouting 'fake boobs' 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Aug 17 1.29pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

After the first eight months you gotta wonder what exactly Trump has to do from now on in order for his fans to withdraw their support?

Parade around naked except for white panties at his next press conference, shouting 'fake boobs'

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

matt_himself Matataland 22 Aug 17 1.58pm
Just like the story that Maggie ordered e's to be given to football supporters to stop hooliganism in the eighties, it appears that someone in Germany is manufacturing disco biscuits in the shape of Trump, presumably to bring the nazi's and antifa together in one sweaty, gurning, orgiastic pile of love: [Link] Or they could just be taking the piss. Edited by matt_himself (22 Aug 2017 2.07pm) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 22 Aug 17 1.58pm

Just like the story that Maggie ordered e's to be given to football supporters to stop hooliganism in the eighties, it appears that someone in Germany is manufacturing disco biscuits in the shape of Trump, presumably to bring the nazi's and antifa together in one sweaty, gurning, orgiastic pile of love:

[Link]

Or they could just be taking the piss.

Edited by matt_himself (22 Aug 2017 2.07pm)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Ray in Houston Houston 22 Aug 17 2.42pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 After the first eight months you gotta wonder what exactly Trump has to do from now on in order for his fans to withdraw their support? His approval has plummeted into the mid-30s nationally and, importantly in a recent poll, also in the critical swing states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, where his wafer thin victories were what pushed him past the post in the election. So the base is still with him. But, he's also Marmite in that there's very few poll respondents in the "don't know" category as his corresponding disapproval ratings are 60+. That is making potty-trained Republicans nervous, which is why many are already equivocating on whether Trump will be their nominee in 2020 (I think the last sitting President to get a serious primary challenger was Ford, and he was essentially appointed to the job). Plus, they have to keep their jobs in the 2018 mid-terms, where all the 435 House Representatives and 1/3rd of the Senate face re-election. With Trump writing campaign ads for the Democrats on a daily basis, Republicans are going to have to run hard away from the President in order to win back the moderate voters who are turned off by Trump. Of course, this makes the bold assumption that the Democrats will have their s* together, which is also a situation that changes on a daily basis. Right now, they're debating whether using the Russia scandal is a winning strategy. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just waing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 22 Aug 17 2.42pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

After the first eight months you gotta wonder what exactly Trump has to do from now on in order for his fans to withdraw their support?

His approval has plummeted into the mid-30s nationally and, importantly in a recent poll, also in the critical swing states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, where his wafer thin victories were what pushed him past the post in the election. So the base is still with him.

But, he's also Marmite in that there's very few poll respondents in the "don't know" category as his corresponding disapproval ratings are 60+. That is making potty-trained Republicans nervous, which is why many are already equivocating on whether Trump will be their nominee in 2020 (I think the last sitting President to get a serious primary challenger was Ford, and he was essentially appointed to the job).

Plus, they have to keep their jobs in the 2018 mid-terms, where all the 435 House Representatives and 1/3rd of the Senate face re-election. With Trump writing campaign ads for the Democrats on a daily basis, Republicans are going to have to run hard away from the President in order to win back the moderate voters who are turned off by Trump.

Of course, this makes the bold assumption that the Democrats will have their s*** together, which is also a situation that changes on a daily basis. Right now, they're debating whether using the Russia scandal is a winning strategy.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Lyons550 Shirley 22 Aug 17 3.06pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston His approval has plummeted into the mid-30s nationally and, importantly in a recent poll, also in the critical swing states of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, where his wafer thin victories were what pushed him past the post in the election. So the base is still with him. But, he's also Marmite in that there's very few poll respondents in the "don't know" category as his corresponding disapproval ratings are 60+. That is making potty-trained Republicans nervous, which is why many are already equivocating on whether Trump will be their nominee in 2020 (I think the last sitting President to get a serious primary challenger was Ford, and he was essentially appointed to the job). Plus, they have to keep their jobs in the 2018 mid-terms, where all the 435 House Representatives and 1/3rd of the Senate face re-election. With Trump writing campaign ads for the Democrats on a daily basis, Republicans are going to have to run hard away from the President in order to win back the moderate voters who are turned off by Trump. Of course, this makes the bold assumption that the Democrats will have their s*** together, which is also a situation that changes on a daily basis. Right now, they're debating whether using the Russia scandal is a winning strategy. What a fabulous word! Well played sir, well played indeed. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 22 Aug 17 3.06pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

But, he's also Marmite in that there's very few poll respondents in the "don't know" category as his corresponding disapproval ratings are 60+. That is making potty-trained Republicans nervous, which is why many are already equivocating on whether Trump will be their nominee in 2020 (I think the last sitting President to get a serious primary challenger was Ford, and he was essentially appointed to the job).

What a fabulous word!

Well played sir, well played indeed.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Ray in Houston Houston 22 Aug 17 3.22pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 What a fabulous word! Well played sir, well played indeed. Thank you. It's one of the remnants of a classical education. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 22 Aug 17 3.22pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

What a fabulous word!

Well played sir, well played indeed.

Thank you. It's one of the remnants of a classical education.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Aug 17 4.30pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Just like the story that Maggie ordered e's to be given to football supporters to stop hooliganism in the eighties, it appears that someone in Germany is manufacturing disco biscuits in the shape of Trump, presumably to bring the nazi's and antifa together in one sweaty, gurning, orgiastic pile of love: [Link] Or they could just be taking the piss. Edited by matt_himself (22 Aug 2017 2.07pm) E'za the main geezer. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Aug 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

[Link]

Or they could just be taking the piss.

Edited by matt_himself (22 Aug 2017 2.07pm)

E'za the main geezer.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Ray in Houston Houston 22 Aug 17 4.32pm
As an interesting aside (and not to soil another thread with Trump s*), the White House put out an official statement about the death of Jerry Lewis, but nothing about the death of Dick Gregory. Probably more out of ignorance than anything else, but it's a pattern with this administration of being clueless of such things - e.g. Trump's "dog ate my homework" riff about the long-dead Frederick Douglass - likely born out of an almost total lack of diversity in the administration. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I suspect that they saw the reports of Gregory's death and thought..."Who?" Which is innocent, but also very damning. #BlackComediansLivesMatter We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just waing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 22 Aug 17 4.32pm

As an interesting aside (and not to soil another thread with Trump s***), the White House put out an official statement about the death of Jerry Lewis, but nothing about the death of Dick Gregory. Probably more out of ignorance than anything else, but it's a pattern with this administration of being clueless of such things - e.g. Trump's "dog ate my homework" riff about the long-dead Frederick Douglass - likely born out of an almost total lack of diversity in the administration.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I suspect that they saw the reports of Gregory's death and thought..."Who?" Which is innocent, but also very damning.

#BlackComediansLivesMatter

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Aug 17 4.33pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 After the first eight months you gotta wonder what exactly Trump has to do from now on in order for his fans to withdraw their support? Yeah, but then he keeps 'escalating'. And this is before the impact of things like his medicare bills will be felt by working republicans. I suspect he'll step down as soon as he gets the tax cuts he's been promising (or more correctly put into power to achieve), and he'll cite health reasons as part of an initial defence into charges relating to Russia. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Aug 17 4.33pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

After the first eight months you gotta wonder what exactly Trump has to do from now on in order for his fans to withdraw their support?

Yeah, but then he keeps 'escalating'. And this is before the impact of things like his medicare bills will be felt by working republicans.

I suspect he'll step down as soon as he gets the tax cuts he's been promising (or more correctly put into power to achieve), and he'll cite health reasons as part of an initial defence into charges relating to Russia.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Stirlingsays 22 Aug 17 4.38pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston As an interesting aside (and not to soil another thread with Trump s***), the White House put out an official statement about the death of Jerry Lewis, but nothing about the death of Dick Gregory. Probably more out of ignorance than anything else, but it's a pattern with this administration of being clueless of such things - e.g. Trump's "dog ate my homework" riff about the long-dead Frederick Douglass - likely born out of an almost total lack of diversity in the administration. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I suspect that they saw the reports of Gregory's death and thought..."Who?" Which is innocent, but also very damning. #BlackComediansLivesMatter Lewis was a hell of a lot bigger than Gregory. I didn't even know who he was. What's damning is the criticism. It's the kind of silly race based criticism that alienates people against the left. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Aug 17 4.38pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I suspect that they saw the reports of Gregory's death and thought..."Who?" Which is innocent, but also very damning.

#BlackComediansLivesMatter

Lewis was a hell of a lot bigger than Gregory. I didn't even know who he was.

What's damning is the criticism. It's the kind of silly race based criticism that alienates people against the left.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ray in Houston Houston 22 Aug 17 5.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Lewis was a hell of a lot bigger than Gregory. I didn't even know who he was. What's damning is the criticism. It's the kind of silly race based criticism that alienates people against the left. So, if you hadn't heard of him, then he wasn't important? Congratulations, you've just passed the Trump administration entrance exam. I wrote: "I suspect that they saw the reports of Gregory's death and thought..."Who?" Which is innocent, but also very damning." And then you went and proved my point. Edited by Ray in Houston (22 Aug 2017 5.08pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 22 Aug 17 5.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Lewis was a hell of a lot bigger than Gregory. I didn't even know who he was.

What's damning is the criticism. It's the kind of silly race based criticism that alienates people against the left.

So, if you hadn't heard of him, then he wasn't important? Congratulations, you've just passed the Trump administration entrance exam.

I wrote: "I suspect that they saw the reports of Gregory's death and thought..."Who?" Which is innocent, but also very damning." And then you went and proved my point.

Edited by Ray in Houston (22 Aug 2017 5.08pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Stirlingsays 22 Aug 17 5.47pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston So, if you hadn't heard of him, then he wasn't important? Congratulations, you've just passed the Trump administration entrance exam. I wrote: "I suspect that they saw the reports of Gregory's death and thought..."Who?" Which is innocent, but also very damning." And then you went and proved my point. Edited by Ray in Houston (22 Aug 2017 5.08pm) Cool....I'm not a 'progressive' then. I'll regard it as a badge of sanity. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Aug 17 5.47pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

So, if you hadn't heard of him, then he wasn't important? Congratulations, you've just passed the Trump administration entrance exam.

I wrote: "I suspect that they saw the reports of Gregory's death and thought..."Who?" Which is innocent, but also very damning." And then you went and proved my point.

Edited by Ray in Houston (22 Aug 2017 5.08pm)

Cool....I'm not a 'progressive' then. I'll regard it as a badge of sanity.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ray in Houston Houston 22 Aug 17 6.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Cool....I'm not a 'progressive' then. I'll regard it as a badge of sanity. It's not about being progressive, it's about recognising the passing of a figure who was significant to a swath of society. If you base such recognition entirely on your own personal knowledge, it's always going to be a navel-gazing exercise. I'm not expecting Trump to know everything about everyone. However, if he staffs his administration with people of a like mind and upbringing - e.g. his family - then he is not going to have a breadth of knowledge that will allow him to respond appropriately when something like Gregory's passing comes along. And if he's not getting help on things as simple as the passing of a breakthrough comedian and noted civil rights activist, then how is he going to get help on things much more significant? It certainly helps explain why Trump lurches from one faux pas to another without actually understanding why people are angry with the last insensitive or inflammatory statement while he's blurting out the next one. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 22 Aug 17 6.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Cool....I'm not a 'progressive' then. I'll regard it as a badge of sanity.

It's not about being progressive, it's about recognising the passing of a figure who was significant to a swath of society. If you base such recognition entirely on your own personal knowledge, it's always going to be a navel-gazing exercise.

I'm not expecting Trump to know everything about everyone. However, if he staffs his administration with people of a like mind and upbringing - e.g. his family - then he is not going to have a breadth of knowledge that will allow him to respond appropriately when something like Gregory's passing comes along. And if he's not getting help on things as simple as the passing of a breakthrough comedian and noted civil rights activist, then how is he going to get help on things much more significant?

It certainly helps explain why Trump lurches from one faux pas to another without actually understanding why people are angry with the last insensitive or inflammatory statement while he's blurting out the next one.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Stirlingsays 22 Aug 17 6.13pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston It's not about being progressive, it's about recognising the passing of a figure who was significant to a swath of society. If you base such recognition entirely on your own personal knowledge, it's always going to be a navel-gazing exercise. I'm not expecting Trump to know everything about everyone. However, if he staffs his administration with people of a like mind and upbringing - e.g. his family - then he is not going to have a breadth of knowledge that will allow him to respond appropriately when something like Gregory's passing comes along. And if he's not getting help on things as simple as the passing of a breakthrough comedian and noted civil rights activist, then how is he going to get help on things much more significant? It certainly helps explain why Trump lurches from one faux pas to another without actually understanding why people are angry with the last insensitive or inflammatory statement while he's blurting out the next one. You know, there are a lot of problems with Trump but to me....this truly isn't one of them. In fact, the kind of people that this 'nothing' p1sses off are precisely the type of people I would love to permanently p1ss off because they p1ss me off. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Aug 17 6.13pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

You know, there are a lot of problems with Trump but to me....this truly isn't one of them.

In fact, the kind of people that this 'nothing' p1sses off are precisely the type of people I would love to permanently p1ss off because they p1ss me off.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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