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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jun 19 5.48pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Read up on our accounts, % wages to revenue, money lost each year, how hamstrung we are with regards to transfers, main stand to build with either US money gone or never there anyway, plus Badger’s post at 11.45am.

Selling your best players is only likely to get you relegated. Then the financial brown stuff will surely hit the fan.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 12 Jun 19 5.53pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

You're Selling a very idealistic idea of modern football. Of course we shouldn't need to sell players and it should be on our Terms when it is, but with the amount Of money in football nowadays this is the harsh reality.

I'd Love for football to go back to the 80s way Of agentless players getting paid in peanuts and lager, and player power was a pipedream kept locked away in one of Brain Cloughs sock drawers. but it aint. It's a money making cash cow - one which as a result is much more Accessible to many fans than its 80s grandparent - with mercenery players (who may actually have some kind of future after retirement) and the threat of Liquidation over the next hill.

It is because of modern football revenues that PL teams do not need to sell.
I just don't see how selling AWB or Zaha will be anything more than a spiral down to relegation. It is not a long term solution.

 

gregski 12 Jun 19 5.57pm

As much as I don't want AWB to go, if Manure offer us 50 + million for him, it's a no brainer.

 

Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 12 Jun 19 6.13pm

In some respects, Premier League football is harder for clubs of our size than being in the Championship.

Of course, our revenue is multiples higher, but we rank pretty low relative to the other clubs in the division. And we are minnows relative to some.

So, unless we outperform in transfers, we will -- other things being equal -- need to spend a greater proportion of our revenues to compete than would be the case in the Championship.

Of course, if we can stick around and boost non TV revenue streams, this dynamic can lessen. But only over the very long term since the biggest revenue booster -- a new stand -- requires major capex and servicing that capex.

We have to trade and trade brilliantly.

 


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JohnB Flag 12 Jun 19 6.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Selling your best players is only likely to get you relegated. Then the financial brown stuff will surely hit the fan.

If your best player is a right back then you're likely to get relegated.

AWB is the best full back I've seen at Palace since Ashley Cole on loan. However, £50-60m is incredible money and could allow us to strengthen in areas that would improve the team as a whole.

If AWB keeps Wilf - our best player IMO - and bring in a striker and someone of Aaron Mooy or Seri's ilk plus one or two frees that we might not have gone for then that would have more of an impact than keeping AWB.

Genuinely how many points do you think AWB won us last year compared to what a midfielder that could set up a striker or a striker that could finish would get us in comparison?

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Jun 19 6.56pm

Originally posted by rollercoaster

He's only had one season. It was reported he was having to be told by the centrebacks where to position himself. He gets caught out timing his forward runs so goals were being scored behind him during the latter part of the season. He really is not the finished article and it is no wonder he hasn't been called up to the senior England team yet.

Yes, he had a very good season and he has a lot of potential but he remains a bit of a gamble. I cannot see his value going up, beyond player inflation, so on balance I think selling for 50+ is the right thing to do.

Like every transfer in or out it could backfire. Most of us complained like crazy when Bolasie was sold but in hindsight we got the best of that particular deal.

This re-iterates my viewpoint,expressed on HOL, that AWB is very much a work-in-progress and as such is certainly not the finished article.A winger converted to a right-back and he still has a lot to learn in this position.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 12 Jun 19 7.22pm

Originally posted by Willo

This re-iterates my viewpoint,expressed on HOL, that AWB is very much a work-in-progress and as such is certainly not the finished article.A winger converted to a right-back and he still has a lot to learn in this position.

His tackling is sublime at times, in a sanitised age - it's great to see perfectly timed tackles.

 

braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 12 Jun 19 7.54pm

you know what...world record fee for a full back, 2nd highest ever fee for a defender...for a club like palace...f*** it! lets do it, he seems to want to want the move.

since promotion, on the whole its not been defending that has been our problem and it is a lot, an awful lot of money.

AWB is obviously f***ing quality but we cant hold him against his wishes, and if it helps us sign michi (or similar) then its all good with me.

as a club our size, you simply cannot turn down north of £50m for a full back.

 


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braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 12 Jun 19 8.02pm

lets not also forget we do actually need to raise some money as we are losing it hand over foot.

we cant just magically expect owners to foot the bill.

if we sold nobody & signed nobody and spend no money on transfer fees this summer i would be as happy as a pig in s***...but i can guarantee there would be uproar from most if that was the case.

you cant have your cake, and eat it

 


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Master Coin Flag 12 Jun 19 8.38pm

Originally posted by brownsugar

Aaron Wan Bissaka is a one off and will get much much better. I would expect Steve Parish and the board to understand that to sell him now would be throwing away millions.......he is only 21 and will be hugely improved after another season, he will attract more media praise and attention and he will be an established premier league player; his value will skyrocket. It would be foolish to sell him for £60 or £65 million now. Also, I want to watch him play for Palace and not Man Utd!

Or... he tears an ACL week one. Doesn’t play all season and is worth nothing going forwards. Nothing is a certainty and this is great money

 

pssguy Flag 12 Jun 19 8.40pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Selling your best players is only likely to get you relegated. Then the financial brown stuff will surely hit the fan.

Tottenham sold Bale
Liverpool sold Coutinho

They both profited.

 

Master Coin Flag 12 Jun 19 8.45pm

Originally posted by pssguy

Tottenham sold Bale
Liverpool sold Coutinho

They both profited.

Hrolf has decided that PL money is in some way infinite and when you’ve made that (incorrect) conclusion it leads to thinking we never need to sell ever. And unfortunately it means he can’t be reasoned with. As others have pointed out we have an unsustainable wage bill (even with PL income) and need to sell to keep afloat and/or reduce the wage structure.

 

braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 12 Jun 19 8.46pm

also dont forget...if this goes thru this will mean that during our stint in the PL we will have actually made money, which is a very good thing from a longevity POV.

those who only rocked up in 2014 wont give a s***, but those who have lived thru 2 admins & other tough times will understand that football is a business & AWB is essentially an asset.

 


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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 12 Jun 19 9.35pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

lets not also forget we do actually need to raise some money as we are losing it hand over foot.

Have you seen the last few years' accounts? I haven't, so perhaps you could tell us how much money we're losing per week, or month, or whatever. I'm genuinely interested to know.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 12 Jun 19 11.17pm

Originally posted by Master Coin

Hrolf has decided that PL money is in some way infinite and when you’ve made that (incorrect) conclusion it leads to thinking we never need to sell ever. And unfortunately it means he can’t be reasoned with. As others have pointed out we have an unsustainable wage bill (even with PL income) and need to sell to keep afloat and/or reduce the wage structure.

It’s amazing how politically conservative members are the opposite with club finances (Hrolf hugely). And then Gusset was in agreement with keeping club finances under control but given half the chance would bankrupt the country within a year if he was a Labour chancellor of the exchequer.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (13 Jun 2019 8.33am)

 


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Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 13 Jun 19 6.06am

I remember in the new year i said we should look to selling both AWB and zaha this summer and using the money to reinvest in players, allowing roy to buy 4/5 he wants to complete his squad on targets we have been looking at for some time.

I was laughed out of here.

It's very obvious this season is a new chapter for us, zaha was always destined to go and awb was unknown 18 months ago, to think we've made 50 mil off him is crazy good - this is one reason why the acadamy is so important. Sure, he is talented, but we won't miss him if we bring a decent prem experienced or prospect in.

However, all i would say is this.. if we didn't have 7 managers in as many years, each buying their own players and changing things.... we could be in a position now where zaha doesn't want to go, where we can push on with the likes of awb and added investment to get us that top 7 finish.

Hopefully after this summer, we have a period of mid table football where we are looking at 7th, not 17th as the benchmark.

 


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green333 Flag Tasmania 13 Jun 19 7.02am

yeah a good few of them

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Jun 19 8.42am

Originally posted by Vaibow

I remember in the new year i said we should look to selling both AWB and zaha this summer and using the money to reinvest in players, allowing roy to buy 4/5 he wants to complete his squad on targets we have been looking at for some time.

I was laughed out of here.

It's very obvious this season is a new chapter for us, zaha was always destined to go and awb was unknown 18 months ago, to think we've made 50 mil off him is crazy good - this is one reason why the acadamy is so important. Sure, he is talented, but we won't miss him if we bring a decent prem experienced or prospect in.

However, all i would say is this.. if we didn't have 7 managers in as many years, each buying their own players and changing things.... we could be in a position now where zaha doesn't want to go, where we can push on with the likes of awb and added investment to get us that top 7 finish.

Hopefully after this summer, we have a period of mid table football where we are looking at 7th, not 17th as the benchmark.

It’ll come as no surprise that clubs with decent player scouting also are good at spotting managers whereas we have bought mostly proven players and escape artist managers. It’s caught up with us but luckily we haven’t been relegated and AWB and Zaha offer a way of balancing the club and managing Wilf leaving before he’s either crocked or lost his edge or retired. I can’t say I’m confident though unless the manager makes the right choices.

 


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redandblue4life Flag Auckland city ! 13 Jun 19 9.35am

50 million plus add ons and he has to go we could improve a few areas for that and become a better team ! It’s a total bonus he came from know where and the money raised will make us better. As for those saying Ward is not good enough he is a Solid player with lots of experience, we looked much stronger at the back when he replaced Patrick Van arnholt end of last season .........

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 13 Jun 19 9.44am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It’ll come as no surprise that clubs with decent player scouting also are good at spotting managers whereas we have bought mostly proven players and escape artist managers. It’s caught up with us but luckily we haven’t been relegated and AWB and Zaha offer a way of balancing the club and managing Wilf leaving before he’s either crocked or lost his edge or retired. I can’t say I’m confident though unless the manager makes the right choices.

I can’t say I’m confident that it's the manager's choices to make

 

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